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[EmperorSahlertz]

Our world does not have the "luxury" of multitudes of cogniscient species, so for any real world simily to function I will have to use cultural parallels. To call a French a Gaul, to call an Irish a Celt, to call a Danish a Viking (or even a Norseman for that matter) is incorrect. Neither of them are any longer any of those. They are now French, Irish and Danish.

 

Kossith is being used incorrectly most of the time. People try to apply it to the Qunari race, even though it is no longer the case. Oxman is more accurate than Kossith. The Qunari themselves would probably not even respond to Kossith. The ONLY reason there is to use the term Kossith, is for the other forumites to understand you mean the race and not the culture. Though the word "Qunari" does that perfectly fine aswell, since it is all a matter of context.

 

If you say: "The horns of the Qunari....." Nobody is gonna go "Durrr Elves don't have horns and they can be Qunari!"

[TurretSyndrome]

Qunari is also not the name of the race, god how many times does one have to repeat this. It is humans and other races with the lack of education who like to generalize the term to be used as a racial identifier. It is just as wrong to call any "horned men" outside of the Qun Qunari as it is to call them Kossith. Some players choose Kossith because it's a term not used anymore therefore can be used as something that only refers to the race unlike the word Qunari which is already being used to denote the ones following the Qun. 

 

I will also mention that Qunari don't care about who's Tal-Vashoth or who isn't. To them there's only ones who are Qunari and who aren't. But the ones who have abandoned the teachings of the Qun, be it Tal-Vashoth(ones who abandon as well as actively oppose the Qunari) or Vashoth(ones who abandon the Qun but want to live their lives in peace) will be hunted by the Qunari equally, as it is their duty to do so.

[Wulfram]

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If you referred to someone who didn't have German citizenship as German without further clarification I'd absolutely be confused

[EmperorSahlertz]

Qunari is also not the name of the race, god how many times does one have to repeat this. It is humans and other races with the lack of education who like to generalize the term to be used as a racial identifier. It is just as wrong to call any "horned men" outside of the Qun Qunari as it is to call them Kossith. Some players choose Kossith because it's a term not used anymore therefore can be used as something that only refers to the race unlike the word Qunari which is already being used to denote the ones following the Qun. 

 

I will also mention that Qunari don't care about who's Tal-Vashoth or who isn't. To them there's only ones who are Qunari and who aren't. But the ones who have abandoned the teachings of the Qun, be it Tal-Vashoth(ones who abandon as well as actively oppose the Qunari) or Vashoth(ones who abandon the Qun but want to live their lives in peace) will be hunted by the Qunari equally, as it is their duty to do so.

So Wilderbeast aren't actually called Wilderbeast, because that is not the name they chose for themselves. You heard it here first folks!

 

Qunari IS the name of the race, for as long as Thedosians are concerned. Qunari themselves do not make distinctions based on race (for the most part), so for them there are only cultural differences, since racial distinction is meaningless to them.

 

And the Qunari very much makes the distinction between Tal-Vasoth and Vasoth. While both are considered dead in the eyes of the Qunari, only the Tal-Vasoth are considered a significant threat.

[TurretSyndrome]

So Wilderbeast aren't actually called Wilderbeast, because that is not the name they chose for themselves. You heard it here first folks!

 

Qunari IS the name of the race, for as long as Thedosians are concerned. Qunari themselves do not make distinctions based on race (for the most part), so for them there are only cultural differences, since racial distinction is meaningless to them.

 

And the Qunari very much makes the distinction between Tal-Vasoth and Vasoth. While both are considered dead in the eyes of the Qunari, only the Tal-Vasoth are considered a significant threat.

 

 

Which part of "Qunari don't care what the escapees call themselves" did you not understand? Obviously, the ones who actively target the Qunari will be given higher priority, but otherwise they are all the same to them, a demand of the Qun that needs fulfilling.

 

And please stop with the "Qunari is the name of the race" argument. It isn't. It is used as an identifier for the race, but it is not the name. There is no official biological name for the race, period. "Qunari" is only used by ignorant humans(who are 80% of Thedas) who are not educated enough to make the distinction between the race and the religion. The proof of that is everyone who is Qunari(Tallis and Arishok) corrects you whenever you misuse the word. Even Maraas denies being called Qunari. 

 

So if someone uses Kossith to identify the race, and feel that it does the job better than Qunari, let them. Neither of them are correct, but either of them can be used.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Qunari IS the name of the race that the Thedosian has given to the oxmen. That is the long and short of it. For the Qunari themselves that leads to confusion since they don't make racial distinctions (at least within the Qun), leading them to correct bas whenever they misuse the term. However, for the commoner of Thedas that IS the name, and so is it for the purpose of discussion.

And to the Qunari the distinction between Tal-Vasoth and Vasoth is very importnat, since a Vasoth can actually be re-educated, whereas they aren't going to attempt such with Tal-Vasoth.

[TurretSyndrome]

Qunari IS the name of the race that the Thedosian has given to the oxmen. That is the long and short of it. For the Qunari themselves that leads to confusion since they don't make racial distinctions (at least within the Qun), leading them to correct bas whenever they misuse the term. However, for the commoner of Thedas that IS the name, and so is it for the purpose of discussion.

And to the Qunari the distinction between Tal-Vasoth and Vasoth is very importnat, since a Vasoth can actually be re-educated, whereas they aren't going to attempt such with Tal-Vasoth.

 

 

Who gives a f*** what the ignorant humans call them? Some even call them oxmen, which is honestly more accurate than even Qunari. Someone persistently calls you something, that doesn't automatically become your name does it? The Qunari correct others when Tal-Vashoth are also referred to as Qunari, because to Qunari, the only meaning of the word is "follower of Qun", which the Tal-Vashoth aren't. It is not a racial identifier for them and it never will be. The misuse of the term you speak of, is when humans use it to identify their race instead of their religion.

 

Parshaara! Call them what you wish, just don't try to correct others who don't want to use that word. A multitude of uneducated people using it does not make it right. And to the Qunari, the Tal-Vashoth and Vashoth distinction is unimportant. The only thing they care about is whether or not the person wishes to resist or be re-educated. Tal-Vashoth usually resist so they kill them. So anyone who resists, be it Tal-Vashoth or someone like Isabela will die or be turned into Viddath-Bas.

[mikeymoonshine]

Qunari IS the name of the race that was given to them by the people of Thedas. The Qunari themselves have no such denominator. To them such a distinction would be meaningless. You are either Qunari or you are not.

Tal-Vasoth is very much a term recognized by the Qunari themselves, as is proven by Sten, Talis and the Kont-ar Seer.

And Tal-Vasoth DO actively oppose the Qun, that is the SINGLE thing that distinguish them from the Vasoth. Just like Vasoth MUST have left the Qun, which is the single distinguishing factor from them and Bas.

Since Kossith CERTAINLY isn't the name of the race anymore, it can now only be used to refer to a died-out culture.

 

This is interesting because the devs said that our PC will be Vashoth but I am sure it was also confirmed that we were never part of the Qun (this is how mage qunquizzy can still have horns if the player so chooses). 

 

So wouldn't we technically just be Bas? Or is it because we are part of the race of the Qun that we are considered to have left it even if born outside it? 

[EmperorSahlertz]

I would guess that the QUnari would consider any of their race, who is not a part of the Qun as Vasoth, wether they were born outside or inside of the Qun.