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[BurstAngel75]

I can see this storyline looming large in Dragon Age 3 that it practically stinks. Too many "Fantasy Worlds" (looking at you, Game of Throne) use this as a basis for the friction or stranglehold that a particular faith may have in that world. I would like to see the DA writers to actually handle the faith of Thedas with depth and understanding, not use it as a political statement of religions in general.

[SwobyJ]

There's no possible way that any religion knows 100% of history.

 

We'll find that the Chantry was fundamentally wise about some central things. Everything else is fair game.

[DaySeeker]

I didn't see this happening in any of the Dragon Ages, in fact I thought they handled religion better than most entertainment media.  They had true believers, zealots, political animals, caretakers, manipulators, all under the same umbrella of religion.  Religion was interpreted in many different ways, add to the Chantry the Qun, the Dalish and you have very different world views and neither was painted as totally true or totally corrupt.  The nature of the fade, spirits, demons, and darkspawn is being explored and showing the Chantry's view is too simplistic, if not necessary.  

[Zjarcal]

Chantry is full of liars, story can't go anywhere but there.

[In Exile]

The whole point of the Chantry/Dalish faith in the DA setting was to have a fantasy religion that wasn't literally and absolutely true like in D&D, where atheist was just a completely insane choice. I don't Bioware will out and out say any religion is false in DA:I. 

[SwobyJ]

Bioware has never had an outright 'smash the church' approach  IMO. Even when it is done ('smashing the church'), it isn't with any sadistic tone. In fact, they seem to be regard that as ultimately foolhardy and damaging.

 

The Inquisition appears to be a way to (per your choices) mediate the line between faith and reality, empire and protector, domination and freedom. You don't like the Chantry? Fine, coax Thedas away from it. You like the Chantry? Bring them into the fold and encourage them.

[superdeathdealer14]

BioWare took a bold move for going with a primarily monotheistic religion which draws a lot of themes from traditional Christianity and putting it into a video game, and they pulled it off. Which attests to the writing skills of Lord Gaider.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Bioware has said they will leave the Maker intentionally vague ever since Origins. That at least means that they won't have "The Chantry is a lie" be anything more than an opinion.

[Br3admax]

BioWare took a bold move for going with a primarily monotheistic religion which draws a lot of themes from traditional Christianity and putting it into a video game, and they pulled it off. Which attests to the writing skills of Lord Gaider.

This kind of thing is actually really common . 

[Boisterous Bob]

BioWare took a bold move for going with a primarily monotheistic religion which draws a lot of themes from traditional Christianity and putting it into a video game, and they pulled it off. Which attests to the writing skills of Lord Gaider.

That's a joke, right?

 

ETA: What the heck? I swear, the two posts above me just appeared by magic. Sorry for redundancy.

[calvinien]

Chantry is full of liars, story can't go anywhere but there.

 

That doesn't dea; with the truth of the religion though. One of dragon age's running themes is how horribly broken most of the social structures in thedas are. Asunder and Masked Empire really drive it home. Even if you have active reformers in positions of power, making real change is an incredibly difficult process. The chantry, much like the orlesian nobility, the qun, the tevinter imperium hell even the dalish is broken and doens't work properly. That desn't mean that there is or is not any maker or creators or old gods etc. It means that Thedas' society badly needs to be shaken up.

[Mockingword]

I thought we wanted realism in our fantasy? 

 

I vote for a LEGO movie-style reveal where the Inquisitor travels through the breach and learns that

Spoiler

Thedas is an imaginary place, conjured up in the mind of a child. Skyhold is a box fort, and the Inquisitor and all his friends are action figures in a child's playroom.

[SwobyJ]

I thought we wanted realism in our fantasy? 

 

I vote for a LEGO movie-style reveal where the Inquisitor travels through the breach and learns that

Spoiler

Thedas is an imaginary place, conjured up in the mind of a child. Skyhold is a box fort, and the Inquisitor and all his friends are action figures in a child's playroom.

 

I've been waiting for that (more or less) for a few years, even before the LEGO Movie started showing.

[Deflagratio]

If you want to strike right at the heart of the people, target religion. Case in Point: This thread.

 

If anything, this is just an attestation to how effective exploring religious themes are in any medium. I support keeping it a focal point.

[Paul E Dangerously]

As I've said elsewhere, if the Maker actually turned out to be a benevolent, if non-interventionist deity it would be a swerve.

[SwobyJ]

As I've said elsewhere, if the Maker actually turned out to be a benevolent, if non-interventionist deity it would be a swerve.

 

I wouldn't mind there:

-being a Maker

-the Chantry having some core things correct about him correct, that others didn't

-the Chantry wrong on so much else

 

At the very least, I could start supporting them more than the mages :S. As it is, my RP goes "Nope, you guys are silly, byeee.", no matter how bad mages can be.

[Chari]

I believe in Bioware. They can handl it with both care and awareness

[Meredydd]

The Chantry has good intentions (e.g. protecting and helping people, education, shelter, and encouraging virtues) but they go about it the wrong way (e.g. Exalted Marches and Right of Annulment). This allows extremists like Meredith and Lambert to rise to power and bum everyone out on the idea of religion. This is sadly true in our history as well. The zealots get the power and attention and suddenly everyone thinks the people from that religion/culture are a plague on humanity. But I understand what you're saying, this topic has been played out in so many other shows, books and games it's getting rather repetitive. I hope BioWare does something new with it, since i love a good old philosophical/ theological debate.

[Vaseldwa]

Yea I stated a few times that I don't want them to pull a FFX kind of ending! 

[Mockingword]

Yea I stated a few times that I don't want them to pull a FFX kind of ending! 

So Andraste steers the Archdemon around, periodically wreaking havoc on Thedas in order to retard its technological development, and uses the soul of each victorious Grey Warden to craft a new Archdemon?

[Vaseldwa]

So Andraste steers the Archdemon around, periodically wreaking havoc on Thedas in order to retard its technological development, and uses the soul of each victorious Grey Warden to craft a new Archdemon?

 

I meant the the religion being a lie! and there being another reason for all the havoc, darkspawn and what ever else.

[Mockingword]

I meant the the religion being a lie! and there being another reason for all the havoc, darkspawn and what ever else.

Well, let's face it. Odds are the Chantry is misinformed at best. And there are other faiths in Thedas that could be potentially accurate, if any of them are.

 

Everyone involved in the events that form the basis of the Chantry faith is now long dead, except Corypheus, and he's not a reliable source. We only have the Chantry's word for it that their major text was even written by any of the people they claim it is, and not just written by someone else. Besides, according to the Chant of Light, the maker is kind of a douche anyway.

 

But it's been said multiple times that the writers don't intend to confirm the accuracy of any of the existing religions, so the Chant of Light can be as true as you want it to be.

[naddaya]

I meant the the religion being a lie! and there being another reason for all the havoc, darkspawn and what ever else.

 

Most religions are inaccurate taken at face value. "Holy writings" are filled with analogies and tales, contradictions and logical fallacies. They were written by several people, in different times, who might have had slightly different beliefs, men capable of fallacies like everyone else. Tales change in time. Ideals, social structures, these change as well.

 

In DA, Andraste did live. She was probably a powerful mage. The maker probably exists too, but I don't think he's who the andrastian think he is. The elvenhad had a different religion, although they share similar figures. The qun is a religion itself. The dwarves honor the stone and their ancestors. Spirits and demons have different beliefs as well. Who's right?

I wouldn't bet on the Chant of Light telling the ultimate truth. I doubt anyone even has any knowledge of it. It was probably inspired by something real, yep. But I think the origins of the darkspawn, the nature of the gods and the fade and everything go beyond that. Men are limited.

[Androme]

Seeing as how BioWare lately seem to have turned into a liberal advocacy organization, I'll be waiting for a review before buying the game this time around. DA:2 had a few moments where BioWare shuved liberal agenda down our throats, subtly mind you, they received some negative feedback about that, we'll see how DA:I turns out.

[Mockingword]

liberal agenda

Excuse me, but I'm given to understand that the PC term is homoschedule.