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[TheTurtle]

Lack of experience both emotionally and physically have always been something I disliked in characters.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I think the first love or first time thing is such a cliche it needs to go the way of the damsel in distress. I've noticed that the romantic interests for the female players aren't inexperienced, well except for Alistair and Liara. The "virgin" ideal is something I've always disliked. It's not like the character needs to run off a list of their previous lovers, but do they really have to go into how inexperienced they are? 

[DeinonSlayer]

I don't see this thread going anywhere good...

(For the record, my canon Shepard romances Tali exclusively. Virginity has absolutely nothing to do with it.)

For Tali and Garrus, I'd say a lot of the draw is that it's a more established relationship, and they were loyal enough to come back. It comes across as a friendship which grew into something more over time. The romances with characters first met in ME2 have the same problem as the Liara romance in ME1: it just seems like the participants are rushing into it - there's nothing built up there.

(My head was left spinning when Liara tried to get into Shepard's pants the second time he talked to her in ME1.)

[wolfhowwl]

I'll respond on the virtues of virginal companions in a few minutes with my "Bob from Accounting" handle.

[Susty Randusky]

1/10 obvious David/Bob b8

[geth47]

Some women will never understand why many men like the notion of "boldly going where no man has gone before."

 

And to make things worse, they take issue with this. Not only some can´t cope with the reality of this situation, but they take issue and prefer to label it as sick. Well, it still does not alter reality, as frustrating as it might sound for some extreme feminists.

 

The creators of mass effect, however, do seem to have their ears to the ground, and offered as options both a very innocent girl with not experience, and a more mature and independent woman in Ash. 

 

As terrifying as it may sound for some feminists, being a pioneer, conquering a person sympathy and trust and becoming the first (and maybe only) love of her live in an intimate situation can be something special. 

 

Yes, while some men don´t really care, some do think that promiscuity is degrading to an individual, and that chastity and self-restrain are two virtuous attributes. There´s nothing wrong with having moral and quality standards. 

[DeinonSlayer]

It's funny - I've seen several threads complaining about Liara and Tali on account of this, but I don't recall anyone complaining about Alistair being a virgin.

@geth47
I think the perception is that men expect that from women without applying the same standards to themselves.

[PCThug]

I don't conflate sexual experience with someone's morality. It's not important to me.

[Sir DeLoria]

BW has a thing for virgins, no matter the gender, just look at Alistair from DA.

I never cared for virginty personally and I don't think that virginity really increases a characters attractiveness.

[geth47]

"I think the perception is that men expect that from women without applying the same standards to themselves."

 

Many men do it. Traditional Catholics, Mormons, some protestants. Or any traditional family. 

 

Besides, if women are used to promiscuity in men, I can´t see why that should be a problem for men who prefer virgin women. If they don´t demand the same, that´s their problem.

[Mes]

Well I don't (normally) romance female characters so I can't answer, but in terms of male virginity - Meh. In a way I like it because it implies that your character is their first love or whatever, which can be very sweet (like Alistair in DAO). In another way I don't like it, and that stems 100% from real life experience. I've slept with virgins before and it was... not... enjoyable. Experience in certain areas can be a huge bonus.

 

 

 

As terrifying as it may sound for some feminists, being a pioneer, conquering a person sympathy and trust and becoming the first (and maybe only) love of her live in an intimate situation can be something special. 

 

 

What in da HECK does some men liking virgins have to do with feminism?

[geth47]

What in da HECK does some men liking virgins have to do with feminism?

 

 

Read the initial post (the link) and you will see.

 

The feminist´s crusade against self-restrain and traditional values is largely documented. I suggest you study this movement.

 

Oh, and talking about purity, while being a virgin is not a certificate of internal purity, it makes concerns about it a matter of theory, while a certified promiscuous woman is known as a matter of fact.

 

Not having a criminal record is not a matter of assured honesty either, but there´s nothing proved against that person. Nevertheless, even thought not having any previous criminal records does not prevent the person from committing crimes in the future or being secretly guilty of them, that´s no reason to discard people with criminal records as being irrelevant.

 

 

The fact that we are not omniscient and there may be a secret fault in a potential partner is not reason enough to invalidate having standards of quality.  

 

Oh, and Bioware definitely acknowledge it. They try to make their games accessible to a vast audience. They also are pro-gay, even thought not all of their love interests offered are homosexuals. It´s enough to offer one example to prove a point. 

[KaiserShep]

I guess it depends on how important it is to placate the volcano gods.

[Stelae]

Well I don't (normally) romance female characters so I can't answer, but in terms of male virginity - Meh. In a way I like it because it implies that your character is their first love or whatever, which can be very sweet (like Alistair in DAO). In another way I don't like it, and that stems 100% from real life experience. I've slept with virgins before and it was... not... enjoyable. Experience in certain areas can be a huge bonus.

 

 

What in da HECK does some men liking virgins have to do with feminism?

 

The "Oh, I never thought this could happen to me, you're my first last and only ... "(Alistair, redux) is lovely in one way, but the "You're so much more fantastic than any other person I've been with; can it be the Real Thing ™ at last" is also rather sweet. 

 

The technical aspects of sex make me prefer someone who knows what they like and have a few ideas about what they think I might like.  But if the right person came along, I'd be willing to be patient, I suppose. As long as they were willing to practice; it makes perfect after all.

[Zazzerka]

I've slept with virgins before and it was... not... enjoyable. Experience in certain areas can be a huge bonus. 

 

Pff. You sound just like every interviewer I've ever met.

 

"I'm sorry, you aren't right for this kind of work. You don't have enough experience."

"How do I get experience?"

"You need to do more of this kind of work."

"That's what I'm trying to do."

 

Not bitter.

[Stelae]

Read this post and tell me what you think?

 

Virginity

Etiher he's trolling, or he is very young and insecure, and terrified that any experienced woman he sleeps with will think he's not up to scratch.  Not worth responding to, at any rate. 

[Mes]

Pff. You sound just like every interviewer I've ever met.

 

"I'm sorry, you aren't right for this kind of work. You don't have enough experience."

"How do I get experience?"

"You need to do more of this kind of work."

"That's what I'm trying to do."

 

Not bitter.

 

Awww Sorry if I offended ya.

 

Just sayin' that a man's virginity, for me, is not a holy grail or some selling point on the actual man. Some people still put a lot of stock into female virginity - that they are somehow better and more desirable than experienced women. For men, I haven't found that to be true. 

 

I hope I'm not derailing the thread, but um... Look... Sex can suck really bad if one or the other person is inexperienced. That's okay if you are really fond of the person. Teaching someone and showing them "the way" can be really fun, too. But "virginity" as this angelic beautiful concept is overrated, in my humble opinion. 

 

(I wouldn't compare sex with landing a job, though.   lol)

[SwobyJ]

I don't care, in itself, if a character is a virgin or not.

 

Does it enhance their story?

 

Yes? Awesome!

No? Cool.

Harms it (somehow)? Boooo.

 

It is true that one often more distinctly remembers their first love, and this can also mean their first sexual partner. This can be in good and bad ways. The 'conquering' aspect that many males may have, aims to have that first experience fit an ideal. They like the thrill that provides. However, the concept of virginity itself and how people react to it.. is much more complex than just that.

 

Finding virginity attractive isn't a problem to me, even though I barely give a damn about it myself. Having that as the overriding quality of someone... yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. But we do it all the time. Yes, males seem to do it much more, but I've also witnessed females getting mightily disappointed if they see a figure of their interest has lost his own virginity (though in those cases, its more an anger at the one who he had experience with, than the male himself).

 

 

When I do LI, I don't care about experience. Maybe it's just my RP style. Maybe it's that I'm a gay male. I don't know. But it barely crosses my mind when I play.

[KaiserShep]

(I wouldn't compare sex with landing a job, though.   lol)

 

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