While Tali does reek of pandering fan serviceness, I don't see why "a character who happens to be a virgin" is something to be gotten rid of. It's not like we haven't seen sexually adventurous female lis either.
Alistair's virginity for example is a surprise and not intended as fan service at all, given the lack of virility associated with male virgins. Well, something like that, but female, would be perfectly welcome, especially if it's a surprise.
I find this whole desire for a virgin thing very creepy. Seems to be an exclusively male thing too; suspect it comes down to power and control mixed with some insecurity.
This. I find it off-putting and pathetic. It's not only males who do it though.
still waiting on David to bring his "all females must be attractive because of heroism"
I don't give a flying crap about the virgin thing.
I don't care about LI's being a virgin or not. It's not really an issue for me, either in game, or in life. I personally prefer if they have some experience with sex. They don't have to with love, but it's either or for me.
The hell is this thread?
Personally, I feel quite a bit more comfortable knowing that my partner has experience than if it's her first time.
There´s nothing wrong with having moral and quality standards.
This presupposes a morality that judges character by number of sexual encounters, of course. While it's possible that someone who sleeps with EVERYONE may have a tendency to have loose morals in general (if you have studies in this regard now would be the time to show them), most non-virgins are not sluts/man-whores. The assumption seems to be that if you aren't a virgin then you are promiscuous. That makes no sense.
While Tali does reek of pandering fan serviceness, I don't see why "a character who happens to be a virgin" is something to be gotten rid of. It's not like we haven't seen sexually adventurous female lis either.
I think the only fan-service-y thing about Tali's romance is the speed with which she, erm, adapts to Shepard. Other than that I find the exploration of an inter-species romance to be interesting, but more than that I think Tali's romance gives us insight into quarian culture. The quarians' developed aversion to foreign substances makes it so that the most intimate thing someone can do is link suit environments which - I get the feeling from Tali's dialogues - doesn't happen with many people for an individual quarian. If quarians don't link suit environments with many people, you can maybe extrapolate the cultural sexuality as well. Self-restraint has become cultural but was possibly born from actual physical necessity. The fact that Tali hasn't even linked suit environments before makes her a representative of this aspect of quarian culture.
So in this instance, I think her "experience" not only makes sense, but augments the exploration of quarian culture.
With that being said, it also imbues the romance with what I believe to be a key component of any romance, which is identifying the loneliness in a character and erasing it for them. For a quarian, I think this takes on a little extra meaning. It seems to me that this sense of loneliness is what a player wants to conquer, and perhaps not really virginity.
Who wants to hear a story about why men fight wars and women don't and shouldn't?
Of course the other amusing thing is that the requirement to be a virgin always seems to be one way..
Odd that.
Shepard is a virgin when it comes to asari melding 
What I want most from the love interests is variety, actually. I like Liara (virgin)...but also Isabela, Viconia and Leliana (definitely no virgins). But I don't think virgin or not is the reason which makes most people like or hate a character (it would only bother me if the virginity of a character is a big part of the romance, like Tali's in ME2). For what it's worth, I thought Alistair being a virgin was very refreshing as well.
Importance of virginity: nil.
Importance of the overly virginal personality: relatively substantial, considering the threat it poses to appeal.
Why BioWare makes so many virgins with overly virginal personalities: Fanspeculation time. Aaaaand go!
am i the only sane person here?
If you were, you'd be the nutter.
Ah, so you are... a virgin.
Watch out for David.
Surely, even David isn't heroic(silly?) enough to step into a thread which is such an obvious sniper trap for him.
If you were, you'd be the nutter.
even then, I still be saner than the most of the poster that are in this thread obsessing either way about Female Virginity.
even then, I still be saner than the most of the poster that are in this thread obsessing either way about Female Virginity.
I don't think most of the people are obsessing, they're just having a discussion about it and naming their preferences or theories about human behavior, sexuality, and perceptions.
I don't think most of the people are obsessing, they're just having a discussion about it and naming their preferences or theories about human behavior, sexuality, and perception
but still, the question is do you like nachos or popcorn?
I think EDI's dialogue on the presidium commons actually left open the possibility that Shepard is a virgin if you didn't romance anyone in the past two titles. She talks about Shepard having firsthand sexual experience if you did romance someone, but the line there is different if you haven't.Shepard is a virgin when it comes to asari melding
What I want most from the love interests is variety, actually. I like Liara (virgin)...but also Isabela, Viconia and Leliana (definitely no virgins). But I don't think virgin or not is the reason which makes most people like or hate a character (it would only bother me if the virginity of a character is a big part of the romance, like Tali's in ME2). For what it's worth, I thought Alistair being a virgin was very refreshing as well.
It's sad that off-topic groups are banned now, yet threads like this are totallly acceptable on the BF...
Why wouldn't it be?
What I want most from the love interests is variety, actually. I like Liara (virgin)...but also Isabela, Viconia and Leliana (definitely no virgins). But I don't think virgin or not is the reason which makes most people like or hate a character (it would only bother me if the virginity of a character is a big part of the romance, like Tali's in ME2). For what it's worth, I thought Alistair being a virgin was very refreshing as well.
This is going to sound contradictory after I just outlined how Tali's sexuality could represent quarian culture at large, but in ME2 whether or not she's a virgin is pretty unimportant compared to the inter-species angle of the romance. Presumably no amount of quarian relationships would have diminished the danger that a Shepard romance presents.
I think EDI's dialogue on the presidium commons actually left open the possibility that Shepard is a virgin if you didn't romance anyone in the past two titles. She talks about Shepard having firsthand sexual experience if you did romance someone, but the line there is different if you haven't.
Makes me wonder what the heck is a robot asking about crap like that? The thing should never of been given a platform. It was better as a hologram stuck in the ship.
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