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[primarch3]

If you let the council die in the first game, and then chose Councilor Udina to lead the council and make humans more powerful, in mass effect 3 when udina dies do you think the aliens would take over the council and humans become weaker like they were in me1? Just got to me2 with my 3rd run through of the game and I i like the fact that when the council die humans have one of the strongest fleets and they control stuff but just thought that might go to waste if udina dies. In my previous run throughs i chose to save the council and put Anderson as councilor. Any ideas on what might happen?

[DeinonSlayer]

There's an announcement after Udina dies for all traffic for the human embassy to go through the Asari embassy (which makes exactly zero sense). Beyond that, the implications are not explored.

I maintain that the Citadel Coup is one of the worst-written missions in the game.

[themikefest]

There's an announcement after Udina dies for all traffic for the human embassy to go through the Asari embassy (which makes exactly zero sense). Beyond that, the implications are not explored.

I maintain that the Citadel Coup is one of the worst-written missions in the game.

You're right. That makes zero sense.

 

I would expect Ambassador Dominic Osoba to take over the duties of being the human councilor.

[Mrs_Stick]

I think due to the war the council is not gonna let just any ambassador take the place of the human councilor. As humans not having as much power I don't think they really got that much to begin with. Yes Udina suggest humans take over the council but the other races would not go for that or the alliance I imagine. Him dying doesn't really change anything it was just that he finally broke. All the council races have treated humanity poorly from the start.

[SwobyJ]

The struggle for human interests/dominance was always uphill. And duh, the Alliance has a rather limited presence overall - regardless of Shepard's proportion of human-centric locations he visits.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I maintain that the Citadel Coup is one of the worst-written missions in the game.

 

Ya, I'll agree with you there.

[Excella Gionne]

I think it would have worked better if they went along with the original script where Kasumi and Thane are squaddies and you haz to stop Udina from sacrificing the Hanar home world.

[DeathScepter]

Citadel Coup for me is the tip of the iceberg of much of the Cerberus and why a lot of ME3 is poorly written. And I am one of those fans that considers Mass Effect 3 is a mixed bag moreso than ME1 and ME2.

[grey_wind]

I maintain that the Citadel Coup is one of the worst-written missions in the game.

Had they just not given in to the stupid desire to make Udina a traitor so the player could have the satisfaction of shooting him, the Cerberus Coup could at least have somewhat coherently been written off as a failed attempt to capture the Catalyst.

[NoMoreCalibrations]

The Council can kiss my A$$!

[SwobyJ]

I think it would have worked better if they went along with the original script where Kasumi and Thane are squaddies and you haz to stop Udina from sacrificing the Hanar home world.

 

SOURCE?

 

I needs!

[Excella Gionne]

SOURCE?

I needs!

Look up the original ME3 script that was leaked. It's very messy, and I read through a lot of it.

[SwobyJ]

Look up the original ME3 script that was leaked. It's very messy, and I read through a lot of it.

 

I knew there was something along those lines, but at least forgot about it being that specific scenario.

 

I would LOVE to play a mission like that.

[Big Bad]

I maintain that the Citadel Coup is one of the worst-written missions in the game.

Indeed.  It sets a bad precedent for things to come. 

[Han Shot First]

I maintain that the Citadel Coup is one of the worst-written missions in the game.

 

What didn't you like about the mission in particular?

 

I had mixed feelings on it myself, and am just curious what your take was. 

[DeinonSlayer]

What didn't you like about the mission in particular?
 
I had mixed feelings on it myself, and am just curious what your take was.

No motive provided for Cerberus, no explanation as to how they managed to pull it off, the VS confrontation was just bad (doesn't take into account if you have, say, Garrus and Liara as squadmates versus the robot that previously tried to kill them and the stranger who attested to Shepard's loyalty (James)), and just about everything involving Kai Leng (car chase, execrable one-liners, doing nothing while Thane gets shanked, etc).

[Big Bad]

No motive provided for Cerberus, no explanation as to how they managed to pull it off, the VS confrontation was just bad (doesn't take into account if you have, say, Garrus and Liara as squadmates versus the robot that previously tried to kill them and the stranger who attested to Shepard's loyalty (James)), and just about everything involving Kai Leng (car chase, execrable one-liners, doing nothing while Thane gets shanked, etc).

Indeed.  The whole mission is, in hindsight, a huge warning that the writers have no real plan--at least not a sensical one--regarding what they're going to do with Cerberus or TIM's underlying motivations over the course of the game.

[themikefest]

What didn't you like about the mission in particular?

 

I had mixed feelings on it myself, and am just curious what your take was. 

Probably the biggest thing that bothered me is when you encounter the VS, Udina shows evidence of Shepard allegedly shooting the councilor(if Thane and Kirrahe are dead) that Liara, James, Javik, edi and Garrus don't stand up for Shepard saying he/she didn't shoot the councilor.

[DeinonSlayer]

Probably the biggest thing that bothered me is when you encounter the VS, Udina shows evidence of Shepard allegedly shooting the councilor(if Thane and Kirrahe are dead) that Liara, James, Javik, edi and Garrus don't stand up for Shepard saying he/she didn't shoot the councilor.

There's also the part where the VS was with Udina the entire time while evading Cerberus. How exactly would Udina have gotten that evidence?

[themikefest]

There's also the part where the VS was with Udina the entire time while evading Cerberus. How exactly would Udina have gotten that evidence?

Its possible that Kai Leng already had access to his omni tool and when Udina looked at it, the VS could've of been distracted doing something else for the VS not to see.

[AlanC9]

It'd be kind of surprising if Udina didn't use his omni-tool at some point during the "escape."

[shodiswe]

You're right. That makes zero sense.
 
I would expect Ambassador Dominic Osoba to take over the duties of being the human councilor.

I agree, he can continue the work as Ambassador for humans, they don't even have to make him a councilor, but they could. I don't think it matters anyway, Hackett is the one doing the imporant work anyway, the council is moslty holding down the fort at the Citadel and trying to calm people down to avoid panic.
Just because one person died it shouldn't mean that the whole embasy would be incapable of carrying on their work. Even if Udina had contacts and might have had certain competence at something, I'm sure the human embasy could carry on without him.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Udina was defacto Prime Minister of the Systems Alliance after the destruction of Arcturus. He was also Councilor. It seemed he'd finally gotten things together and was actually able to do some good. He'd gotten the Turians to work with him. What the hell was he thinking with the coup? What the hell were the writers thinking? Oh confrontation with Shepard and the VS -- hence why Kaidan outranked Shepard and was made a Spectre; and why Ashley got supertracked. Badly written plot

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I maintain that the Citadel Coup is one of the worst-written missions in the game.

 

The game? Try the entire franchise.

[Barquiel]

I quite enjoyed the Cerberus Coup mission, actually. Fighting on the Presidium was nice, I liked Thane's scene and the "Wrexican Standoff" at the end is one of the best moments of the game, IMO. But I think they should have said Udina is indoctrinated, just like cerberus. Because his plan is rather idiotic and only the reapers profit from it.

As for the councilor position, humans will simply appoint a new councilor after the war. I suppose it doesn't happen before because there isn't a functioning civilian government on Earth during the war and the alliance parliament is also destroyed. And I don't think anyone will have a strong fleet after the war (we see the core of the new citadel fleet, not very impressive), except maybe the Salarians who hold back the lionshare of their forces. So it shouldn't make much difference.