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#51
I Tsunayoshi I

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No it's not invalid, to me comic books don't need this medium for games.....

Yes. It is.

 

Your entire argument is that TIMs indoctrination happened during ME3, which was proven false with the citing of the CANON material it actually took place in. What you are trying is the same as claiming the sky isnt blue because you dont like the information provide that proves it is.



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Comics aren't canon the game is canon. And no it's bad writing period "no if ands or buts about it."

#53
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Comics aren't canon the game is canon. And no it's bad writing period "no if ands or buts about it."

Wrong again. Bioware had a direct hand in most Mass Effect content outside of the game either with their own writers making said new content as with some of the novels, or with oversight from Bioware so that the content would fit in the continuity.



#54
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Comics aren't canon the game is canon. And no it's bad writing period "no if ands or buts about it."

 

The comics may be of poor quality but they are canon. The creators of the universe have declared them as such.



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The comics may be of poor quality but they are canon. The creators of the universe have declared them as such.

Not to me as they suck so their for don't mean canon for me.

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Wrong again. Bioware had a direct hand in most Mass Effect content outside of the game either with their own writers making said new content as with some of the novels, or with oversight from Bioware so that the content would fit in the continuity.

 

You shouldn't need to go outside the game to figure out what's going on in a game.

 

I shouldn't have to go to a comic book, twitter, or doodles on a napkin in order to "get" the game.

 

If it's not in the game, it doesn't matter.



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I agree the game is what matters here. The comics are secondary material thus not CANON. In retrospect, the comics suck so I don't need those to get info for what's going on in a game. I hate twitter so never went on their.

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The comics may be of poor quality but they are canon. The creators of the universe have declared them as such.

 

Not that I don't believe you, but a reference would be nice.

 

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Not to me as they suck so their for don't mean canon for me.

 

That's like saying "I don't like something, therefore, it isn't true, even if every authority disagrees with me".



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Not that I don't believe you, but a reference would be nice.

 

For the comics to be published and sold for money under the name of Mass Effect don't they need the approval of BioWare/EA? And isn't the holder of the IP what makes things official or not?

 

So, basically all that copy right stuff at the bottom of all the ME products.



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Not to me as they suck so their for don't mean canon for me.

Good thing what you think doesnt matter to Bioware in this case. Seeing as writers in their employ or those chosen to work with the franchise in other mediums with oversight pretty much do pretty much make canon material.

 

You shouldn't need to go outside the game to figure out what's going on in a game.

 

I shouldn't have to go to a comic book, twitter, or doodles on a napkin in order to "get" the game.

 

If it's not in the game, it doesn't matter.

While I do agree to an extent, this annoyed the hell out of me in Gears of War 3 and could have done the same with Halo 4's Spartan Ops mode, I do not see a problem with expanding a franchise into being a multimedia experience. If its to be referenced in the primary medium, at least make it be more of a nod that the devoted fans will enjoy and NOT a plot relevant point that escapes notice because it came out of another medium.



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For the comics to be published and sold for money under the name of Mass Effect don't they need the approval of BioWare/EA? And isn't the holder of the IP what makes things official or not?

 

So, basically all that copy right stuff at the bottom of all the ME products.

 

We are in agreeance.

 

I just thought there was a statement from EA/Bioware employee stating something along those lines.



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I agree the game is what matters here. The comics are secondary material thus not CANON. In retrospect, the comics suck so I don't need those to get info for what's going on in a game. I hate twitter so never went on their.

 

Sure. Headcanon is your right. But then you don't get to say that your position is "true." You can say that "my personal interpretation of the games is X, I'm ignoring everything else, and I don't care what the writers think happened in the MEU." But if someone else doesn't believe that TIM was indoctrinated during ME3, you've got no case.



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For the comics to be published and sold for money under the name of Mass Effect don't they need the approval of BioWare/EA? And isn't the holder of the IP what makes things official or not?

 

So, basically all that copy right stuff at the bottom of all the ME products.

I point you towards the Star Wars EU, which has pretty much been shoved aside and redubed Legends.

 

Lucas made it clear from the start that if EU ever came into conflict with the movies or other media coming from LucasArts, the EU would always lose.



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Haha I just ignore bad writing but that just me, but I shouldn't have to go too twitter or comics too get information. I still hate the Tim lol indoctrinated route with Tim.

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Haha I just ignore bad writing but that just me, but I shouldn't have to go too twitter or comics too get information. I still hate the Tim lol indoctrinated route with Tim.

 

Soooo... you ignore entire ME3?



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Haha I just ignore bad writing but that just me, but I shouldn't have to go too twitter or comics too get information. I still hate the Tim lol indoctrinated route with Tim.

 

I agree. Ultimately, I don't think what's canon and what isn't doesn't really matter. I just want a good story, which is why I value something like the Marauder Shields comics way more than the actual ending.



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Udina never struck me as stupid; I found him being behind the coup very strange.


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Soooo... you ignore entire ME3?

 

That's actually a very good idea



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That's actually a very good idea


Yes it does in fact. I say my own story for mass effect is canon than the bad writing that became ME3. Don't get me wrong still play the game I just don't find it very memorable.

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Soooo... you ignore entire ME3?


Yes, I do as, I rewrote the whole story in my head......

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The worst part about the TIM comic book is that it completely wasted what could have been an amazing premise for another game. A game that actually focused on the rise of Cerberus, the evolution of their ideology, their relationship with the Alliance versus the more humancentric factions of humanity,  and the transformation of Jack Harper into The Illusive Man could have made for a very compelling story, especially if it was written with some moral ambiguity rather than reducing Cerberus into a bunch of indoctrinated, slobbering, incompetent Space Nazis.


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#72
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Haha I just ignore bad writing but that just me, but I shouldn't have to go too twitter or comics too get information. I still hate the Tim lol indoctrinated route with Tim.

Too bad that is the route that many major games have decided the take since Halo made it popular.



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You shouldn't need to go outside the game to figure out what's going on in a game.

 

I shouldn't have to go to a comic book, twitter, or doodles on a napkin in order to "get" the game.

 

If it's not in the game, it doesn't matter.

 

That's only for EA Sports. It's in the game.



#74
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I agree, One of the biggest weaknesses of the Mass Effect universe is the lack of idealogical antagonist, the vast majority of the enemies shepard faces are hired guns, brainless monsters and mindcontrolled slaves.

or simply idiots... Like let's say... the Leviathan?



#75
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or simply idiots... Like let's say... the Leviathan?

 

They were pretty dumb.