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[SwobyJ]

Stupid.. organics.

[shodiswe]

If the books and comics are as much cannon as the games then we got a problem when the game says the Morning was about 300 years ago and the expandeduniverse lore says it was 3000!

I prefer the Game lore. It seems like the original origin for Mass Effect.

Also, I don't think they will reveal Udina as a traitor after the war. They will give him a heroes funeral, erect a gigantic statue next to the Krogan one and tell the story of how the Council shared the strife of it's people and never gave up despite losses in their own ranks. They fought to the end, and prevailed!

They would certainly do anything to keep the council in power. In the end it might become the greates lie in the history of the Council, one that they can capitalise on. They might even institute a holiday in his honor and that of the council.


Maybe we will experience te "Councils" day in one of the future games With Udina posters and posters of the new and current council side by side. The heroes and stawart guardians of the galaxy who leed you to victory.

[SwobyJ]

Everyone knows that Udina is a traitor. It became common war knowledge.

[shodiswe]

Everyone knows that Udina is a traitor. It became common war knowledge.

I havn't seen that. Where was it made common knowledge?(In the gameworld that is asside from the few people involved at the highest levels) Like the councilors, bailey and his assistant and Shepards team.

[SwobyJ]

I havn't seen that. Where was it made common knowledge?(In the gameworld that is asside from the few people involved at the highest levels) Like the councilors, bailey and his assistant and Shepards team.

 

Codex = more public knowledge.

 

 

Councilor Udina's attempted coup will no doubt be analyzed for generations to come, but a clear picture is beginning to merge. Udina had contacted Cerberus to coordinate what was intended to be a bloodless takeover of the Citadel, in which he would force the other councilors to grant him emergency powers so that he could command the Citadel Fleet. He would then direct the fleet to liberate his homeworld, Earth.

 

The plan fell apart early when Executor Pallin and the salarian councilor caught wind of it. In defense of the plan, the Illusive Man dispatched his top assassins, commanded by Kai Leng, to kill them. Udina had little choice but to support the assassins with an armed force sufficient to hold the Citadel. Captured confidantes have indicated that Udina and Leng's alliance was relatively fragile: Udina may have planned to turn on Cerberus once the fleet was his to command, and Leng departed when he calculated that Udina would not succeed.

Persistent rumors suggest that Udina might have been a high-functioning victim of Reaper indoctrination. His actions played right into the Reapers' plans: even if the coup failed, it would damage Citadel governance. If it succeeded, his plan to retake Earth would likely have turned into a military blunder that Council forces could ill afford. However, there is no direct evidence of his indoctrination, nor obvious opportunity. It is more likely that Udina acted out of desperation, and in doing so, cost humanity its councilor.

[Fixers0]

Funny how executor Pallin is mentioned despite being dead for some time, The executor as seen during the coup is actually a Human male, and Mass Effect 2 refers to executor Chellick which means the codex is at least two executors late. 

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Funny how executor Pallin is mentioned despite being dead for some time, The executor as seen during the coup is actually a Human male, and Mass Effect 2 refers to executor Chellick which means the codex is at least two executors late. 

If I remember correctly, Bailey is the current Executor because of some Council machinations.

[Fixers0]

If I remember correctly, Bailey is the current Executor because of some Council machinations.

 

He's ranked Commander, the actual executor during the time of Mass Effect 3 is an unnamed human, Shepard's specially says during the coup that the executor has been killed. 

[shodiswe]

If I remember correctly, Bailey is the current Executor because of some Council machinations.

During the coup you find the Executor, who is a human hunched dead over his desk along with the two salarian bodyguards. I don't think we're ever told the name of the Human executor who got murdered.

Bailey is likely one of the guys working right under the executor. There might be other commanders available for promotion but I hav a feeling the council will pick the highest ranking C-sec commander who also saved them togethe with Shepard during the Coup.

They will want to promote Bailey again, which doesn't seem to be high on Baileys list of goals or wants.

Pallin, who's mentioned in the codex is dead.... And the people in the excutors office was a human and 2 dead salarians wearing the same armor... The salarians were the salarian councilors bodyguards, the Executor who's identified as dead is a human.
Clearly the Codex has it's problem right there.... The comics said Execuor Pallin was killed by Bailey before the Reaper invasion for resisting arrest. And the Executor in the executor office isn't Turian. It seems the Codex is wrong here.

The Question is, how official this information is outside the council and their investigators. The Asari Councilor seems intent on keeping the lid on when you meet her at Udinas office after Rannoch, she seemed to be collecting all evidence and marking it as topsecret.

Those secondary codex entrys with no audio might be Shepards personal entrys.

Either it will be official and public knowledge and it will be a past time for scoolars to debate what happend. Or the Council will put the lid on, with perhaps some Schoolars speculating about it like people are spekulating about UFO's and other paranormal activity these days.

There might be rumors but no evidence since it's all ben classified at Tentron level or whatever it was called, I'm guessing Council only. It might endup in the Citadel Archives if any of any characters ever go there again in a Mass Effect game.

They probably won't have time for it tohugh or be itnerested, just mention it in passing.

Person 1: Interesting, Cerberus coup files! The councils report on what really happend!
Person 2: It's not what we're looking for, we havn't got a lot of time, keep serching for [Redacted]

[shodiswe]

Congratulations people! We have a confirmed error in the official Codex that came with the game!

[I Tsunayoshi I]

He's ranked Commander, the actual executor during the time of Mass Effect 3 is an unnamed human, Shepard's specially says during the coup that the executor has been killed. 

Mistake on my part. I know he got a promotion, but I remembered it being made the new Executor after dealing with Pallin in Inquizition.

[shodiswe]

Mistake on my part. I know he got a promotion, but I remembered it being made the new Executor after dealing with Pallin in Inquizition.

No it's commadner, I guess someone else was picked for Executor, it might have seemed tasteless to promote Bailey to Executor for shooting the previous executor. Also, there were likely others in line for that job.
Seeing how most guards seems to defer to Bailey, I would say he's very high up in the ranks by ME3, maybe second to the Executor only.
There might be a few more Commanders for otherparts of the Citadel though, but it seems Bailey is the commander for the presideum.

That should make him next in line if the next game is in the near future and he survived.
Still, that codex seems to have some problems, the level designers clearly knew Pallin was dead but the guy writing the codex clearly didn't.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

No it's commadner, I guess someone else was picked for Executor, it might have seemed tasteless to promote Bailey to Executor for shooting the previous executor. Also, there were likely others in line for that job.
Seeing how most guards seems to defer to Bailey, I would say he's very high up in the ranks by ME3, maybe second to the Executor only.
There might be a few more Commanders for otherparts of the Citadel though, but it seems Bailey is the commander for the presideum.

That should make him next in line if the next game is in the near future and he survived.
Still, that codex seems to have some problems, the level designers clearly knew Pallin was dead but the guy writing the codex clearly didn't.

Like I said. Mistake on my part since I remembered wrong. Then again, there probably would have been stink about Bailey getting that sort of promotion just cause Udina was the one giving it to him. Commander was probably the best he could manage without causing trouble considering his new Councilor status.

[Oni Changas]

...But Pallin DID catch wind of it which lead to Udina getting Bailey to arrest him. This of course led to Pallin resisting and losing a firefight to Bailey. As a result Udina promotes Bailey. This happened between ME2 and 3. Chellik was originally intended to be Executor for ME2 but obviously this was scrapped or not brought up.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

...But Pallin DID catch wind of it which lead to Udina getting Bailey to arrest him. This of course led to Pallin resisting and losing a firefight to Bailey. As a result Udina promotes Bailey. This happened between ME2 and 3. Chellik was originally intended to be Executor for ME2 but obviously this was scrapped or not brought up.

Ugh. He's a douchebag I wouldnt wanna put in that position to start with. Most people that helped out Jenna remember how stupid he was about keeping a civilian working undercover until Shep broke out a fire hose on that pissing match.

[shodiswe]

Ugh. He's a douchebag I wouldnt wanna put in that position to start with. Most people that helped out Jenna remember how stupid he was about keeping a civilian working undercover until Shep broke out a fire hose on that pissing match.

I agree, Chellik is more of an extra reckless dirtyharry with a slight hint of a Turian with a stick up his ass attitude.
That's not a person for top leadership positions in any serious community. It might work as a Sherif in a small community, but not for the Citadel.

[SwobyJ]

I honestly didn't have as much of a problem with Chellik but I did hold to the opinion that he went too far with Jenna when he could have had other options. So yeah, Paragonned it all the way.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

I honestly didn't have as much of a problem with Chellik but I did hold to the opinion that he went too far with Jenna when he could have had other options. So yeah, Paragonned it all the way.

Renegade can force him to pull her out too, which I have used in my last couple runs in ME1

[SwobyJ]

Renegade can force him to pull her out too, which I have used in my last couple runs in ME1

Oh I know. Just saying why I Paragonned it. I saw where he was coming from, but saw another way to get it done. Renegade is just telling him to screw off in a persuasive way

[Ryriena]

I'm just surprised that he got to that higher end of office in the end. I found him kind of going too far with Jenna she's not c sect undercover officer. So him being put in as excatuor doesn't fly with me.