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[wcholcombe]

I also read the same thing you did.  I noticed that these women priests acted a lot like like teachers and guides, which sounds a lot like a parent to me.  Hmm, the other children in the area being raised together?  Where everyone looks out for each other, encourages each other and sometimes bickers?  That sounds like a family.

 

I even said that they weren't sexual.  They might not be physically affectionate, but you don't need to be to express love.  I know Qunari go by title, and I know all of that about Sten's sword.  You're still not showing me how one Quanri is incapable of loving another romantically, only talking about things about their culture that I already knew.  Mary Kirby herself even said that the Quanri love, just don't use sex to express it.

 

I came to the exact opposite conclusion that you did, after reading World of Thedas.  

The question the OP asked was specifically about same sex sexuality. That is the love I am referring to when I say the Qun doesn't allow for it.  Brotherhood/feeling of family sure.  My point is there aren't parental units practicing romantic affection for the children to witness, there isn't a system of romantic physical love in Qunari culture. Yes the kids being raised together and taught to look out for one another will create bonds, much as the classmates at really prestigious prep schools become like a family to each other.

[Wulfram]

Aside from the physical expression of love, there must be an issue of potential divided loyalty.  The group has to come ahead of the individual, love complicates that.

[Cainhurst Crow]

A common misconception is that qunari can't orr dont have love. This is false according to what we know about it, it might have been true in the source material for the qun, plato's ideas of an ideal government and social structure,  but the qun is not the same thing.

 

You can be n love with someone under ths qun, but you cant raise a child or start a family. It'd be like permanent dating status for the whole relationship but it'd be possible. As for homosexuality it really depends. If you were still fit mentally to preform your male or female role in the qun and produce children with your arranged partner then you could still maintain your love relationship with your same sex partner. If it would interfere with your duties, even beyond breeding to affecting your general disposition and things you enjoy doing beyond sex, you'd be taken and reeducated to be a better resources.

[Grieving Natashina]

The Qun is completely moronic if they don't want anyone expressing sexuality. Their entire ideology would fall apart because that is not feasible. And most of them would not be adhering to it either, if that truly was a demand of the Qun.

 

They are animals and you cannot repress natural instincts to such a degree without massive repercussions.  It would be entirely practical for them to have some outlet of relieving sexual frustration, I don't care how strict and 'disciplined' they are. It would be foolish to expect anyone to deny their natural impulses. 

This is why I think Iron Bull is going to be an important character, even if he's a love interest or not.  I'd like a window that looks deeper into the Qun, and we can get some more real insight about the Qunari.  The way the feel, more details about the limits on sex, ect ect.   Sadly, there really isn't much information about them.  I think it would benefit the race to have a book that centers largely around him.  Perhaps set in Rivain.

[thats1evildude]

Yeah, I highly doubt that the Qun is Asexual Relationship Paradise, Natashina. The qunari aren't crazy about any type of romantic attachment, period. Your so-called "feelings" do not satisfy the demands of the Qun.

[Faerlyte]

What if they practice genital circumcision/mutilation and don't feel that much pleasure during sex? Many IRL religious societies do. 

 

Unless they are removing the source of their hormonal output, it wouldn't matter. The underlying instinct to breed is hormone driven, Pleasure is merely an end result. 

[Gannayev of Dreams]

So how do the Tal-Vashoth approach sexuality?  They're not bound by the Qun.

[KainD]

Unless they are removing the source of their hormonal output, it wouldn't matter. The underlying instinct to breed is hormone driven, Pleasure is merely an end result. 

 

Err no? I don't desire to breed, my interest in sex derives purely because of my interest in pleasure. 

[Grieving Natashina]

What did World of Thedas say exactly?

 About the family unit?  Well, I interpreted it differently than DAwiki puts it.  You don't have to love to be a parent, and I consider the priests "parents" due to this description:

 

(source: DAwiki; and the thread Doc linked earlier)

 

The Tamassrans raise all the children, give them their general education, and evaluate them.

 

 

 

How is that not like any parent?  When it comes to family, well, I think too many folks are going with more of a "mother/father/siblings" nuclear family model.  To me, this sounds like any family I've ever heard of:

 

Qunari have no "family units": they do not marry, choose partners, or even know to whom they are related. A father's role ends at conception. A mother's ends at birth. A Qunari's "family" consists of his or her peers, called brothers and sisters.

 

 

 

About homosexuality?  Nothing, but I think it's because this isn't a culture that generally thinks about sex.  I think I'm going to bow out and see how this goes.  Good luck Doc, you know where to find me.  

[thats1evildude]

I think the Tamrassans "raise" qunari children in the sense that prisons "provide" food and shelter for prisoners.

[katerinafm]

Like others have pointed out, from what the qunari NPCs have said so far it appears that 'romance' doesn't really exist in the Qun, and sexual preference probably doesn't matter as qunari appear to only have intimate 'relationships' to breed. At least that's what the Qun demands of them. Growing up in the Qun, it probably doesn't even cross their minds that they can do anything else.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I think the Tamrassans "raise" qunari children in the sense that prisons "provide" food and shelter for prisoners.

 

Oh please, the give education and training as well. Let's not make it sound like they're treating them like animals.

 

And how hard is it for people to get that for the qunari, romantic feelings are separate from sex. Love is the emotion, sex is the duty, and apparently that makes them robots according to folks here.

[Grieving Natashina]

 

Oh please, the give education and training as well. Let's not make it sound like they're treating them like animals.

 

And how hard is it for people to get that for the qunari, romantic feelings are separate from sex. Love is the emotion, sex is the duty, and apparently that makes them robots according to folks here.

 

This.

 

You know, I was going to debate with you evildude.   However, your post about the Tamrassans is proof that you despise the Qunari and are willing to turn them into villain them no matter what I or anyone else has to say on the subject.

 

This is coming from someone that doesn't like the Qun philosophy at all.  So suit yourself.  

[Jazinto]

I agree, but I was wondering about what the Qun's stance on it would be.

 

 

 

Are we debating whether the qunari can be gay, or whether homosexuality is tolerated in the Qun? I think the answer to the first question is probably "yes," but the answer to the second question is an emphatic "no."

 

I was responding to the people saying Qunari would never engage in homosexual behaviour.

 

I have no idea how homosexuality is treated in the Qun.

[zerox505]

https://www.youtube....h?v=Hd8dXMgFIf4

 

I believe this video shows that it is absolutely possible. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I wonder if the Kossith just don't have comparable sex drives to humans. That's the only way I could imagine they could maintain a society like this. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Two pages in, and someone posted a sex scene.

 

Though it's not like this breaks the current standing record or anything. Still, impressive.

[Grieving Natashina]

I wonder if the Kossith just don't have comparable sex drives to humans. That's the only way I could imagine they could maintain a society like this. 

It doesn't explain those that came from outside of the Qun to convert though. 

[DrBlingzle]

I wonder if the Kossith just don't have comparable sex drives to humans. That's the only way I could imagine they could maintain a society like this. 

Possibly. But of course that begs the question what about elves, humans and dwarves who join the Qun. 

 

Edit: ninja'd by natashina.

Modifié par DrBlingzle, 29 avril 2014 - 08:22 .

[JoltDealer]

I view the Qunari as a practical culture.  Outside of mating for the sake of reproduction, I don't see why sexuality would matter.  If you serve your purpose and fulfill your duty to the Qun, who you love is of no concern.  Sex may be another matter, as Mary Kirby pointed out.  It seems like sex for the sake of pleasure instead of mating would be a waste and may be viewed as frivolous, regardless of who is involved.  The Qunari don't seem all too keen on the idea of fun and sex can be very, very fun.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It doesn't explain those that came from outside of the Qun to convert though. 

I'm not sure other races are really applied the same way. They definitely don't mix them with Kossith stock. I would be surprised if there was as much adherence further out from the main Kossith population. If nothing else, because they don't have the same generational conditioning.

[nightcobra]

from what i gather about the Qun...

 

love between people of the same gender? A-Okay

 

sex between people of the same gender? What the hell are you thinking?! you can't make babies like that! besides, you already have a breeding partner specifically chosen for you!

[thats1evildude]

Oh please, they give education and training as well. Let's not make it sound like they're treating them like animals.

 

Not animals. More like .... well, have you ever seen Wall-E? You know how all the children were raised by robots? I imagine the Tamrassan are sort of like that.

 

Technically, all their needs are being met, but the raising of qunari children is basically just a really slow assembly line.

 

 

 

You know, I was going to debate with you evildude.   However, your post about the Tamrassans is proof that you despise the Qunari and are willing to turn them into villain them no matter what I or anyone else has to say on the subject.

 

I don't hate the qunari. I just don't pretend they're something they ain't, unless I'm presented evidence to the contrary.

[TheLittleBird]

I was going to make a post in here, Doc, but this post by JokeDealer perfectly summarizes my views on this.

I view the Qunari as a practical culture. Outside of mating for the sake reproduction, I don't see why sexuality would matter. If you serve your purpose and fulfill your duty to the Qun, who you love is of no concern. Sex may be another matter, as Mary Kirby pointed out. It seems like sex for the sake of pleasure instead of mating would be a waste and may be viewed as frivolous, regardless of who is involved. The Qunari don't seem all too keen on the idea of fun and sex can be very, very fun.

[Zered]

Heh... I just remembered the “Do it for Denmark,” advertisment. Now I see the Ben Hassrath preaching: 'Do it for the Qun'