I'd just like to pop into this thread real quick and nip the idea that same sex relationships can't produce children right in the bud. Trans people exist. Sorry, but that was bothering me a lot.
From what I've read about the Qun in this thread, I'd have to come to the conclusion that homoROMANTIC relationships would be fine, but anything involving "doing the do" outside of what the priesthood allows would be dealt with accordingly.
Simple question, how do you think homosexuality is treated in the Qun?
Different gendered relations in the Qun are prohibited, but this is mainly down to the worry that such a relationship could produce a less than adequate child who would be a waste of resources. Due to the fact that that could never happen in a same-sex relationship would a homosexual relationship be prohibited as well? Of course it could be prohibited because the Tamassrans believe any sort of relationship could get in the way of one's duty to the Qun.
Anyway, thoughts?
How do Totalitarian, Collectivist, and Militant quasi-religions usually feel about homosexuality? There's your answer.
Yeah, I highly doubt that the Qun is Asexual Relationship Paradise, Natashina. The qunari aren't crazy about any type of romantic attachment, period. Your so-called "feelings" do not satisfy the demands of the Qun.
But that's just not true. The very notion of romantic attachment that we have is actually a notion of a lot of emotions and behaviours bound up in each other, including sexual desire, emotional dependence, etc. The qunari can experience all of these things separately and together without expressing them.
The Qun is completely moronic if they don't want anyone expressing sexuality. Their entire ideology would fall apart because that is not feasible. And most of them would not be adhering to it either, if that truly was a demand of the Qun.
They are animals and you cannot repress natural instincts to such a degree without massive repercussions. It would be entirely practical for them to have some outlet of relieving sexual frustration, I don't care how strict and 'disciplined' they are. It would be foolish to expect anyone to deny their natural impulses.
But that's just not true. The very notion of romantic attachment that we have is actually a notion of a lot of emotions and behaviours bound up in each other, including sexual desire, emotional dependence, etc. The qunari can experience all of these things separately and together without expressing them.
This makes it sound like the qun should be pro-homosexuality, as a way of disaggregating reproduction from those other behaviors.
I'd just like to pop into this thread real quick and nip the idea that same sex relationships can't produce children right in the bud. Trans people exist. Sorry, but that was bothering me a lot.
From what I've read about the Qun in this thread, I'd have to come to the conclusion that homoROMANTIC relationships would be fine, but anything involving "doing the do" outside of what the priesthood allows would be dealt with accordingly.
No one was saying or even implying that trans people are nonexistent. Same sex relationships cannot produce children because both members are of the same sex. Trans people are still their biological sex and, ergo, a transman and another man would still be a different sex relationship (and NOT a same sex relationship) because the transman is of the female sex/biologically female and the cisman is of the male sex/biologically male.
Three words. Real life priesthoods.
The celibacy may seem unnatural to you, but to those who are raised to it, it's likely not.
That is true. Especially when you are part of a way of life that is all about a regimented duty bound whole before the self society.
How do Totalitarian, Collectivist, and Militant quasi-religions usually feel about homosexuality? There's your answer.
I don't think this analogy fits for a variety of reasons: often minorities are attacked as other to increase the cohesiveness and identity of a group, and to give a visable enemy. The Qun already have that and it is a broad one- anyone not of the Qun. The Quanari are quite practical and wouldn't toss a member out for caring for another if they were faithfully pursuing their chosen role.
I'm not sure we've had a true picture of the Qun yet, in that we've seen armed branches and zealots, true believers sent to convert or overtake- we wouldn't say missionaries are average christians. I am sure there is Qun practice and Qun reality, some rules are more strictly enforced than others, and as in every military rukes are strictly enforced especially on a long term invasion of conversion. Tallis was definitely not Sten.
The Qun is so strict... homosexuality would be considered a deviance. No acceptation whatsoever.
I'm just wondering where people are getting the idea that Qunari are against recreational sex from? Certainly, what we have seen from them so far is that they are extremely dutiful and practical, but are we really to assume they aren't EVER permitted any leisure time/pursuits or personal life? I find that unlikely.
I'm going to repost JokeDealer's post again for truth.
I view the Qunari as a practical culture. Outside of mating for the sake reproduction, I don't see why sexuality would matter. If you serve your purpose and fulfill your duty to the Qun, who you love is of no concern. Sex may be another matter, as Mary Kirby pointed out. It seems like sex for the sake of pleasure instead of mating would be a waste and may be viewed as frivolous, regardless of who is involved. The Qunari don't seem all too keen on the idea of fun and sex can be very, very fun.
Qunari have no "family units": they do not marry, choose partners, or even know to whom they are related. A father's role ends at conception. A mother's ends at birth. A Qunari's "family" consists of his or her peers, called brothers and sisters.
Qunari generally do not associate mating with love. They feel love. They have friends. They form emotional bonds with one another. However, they simply do not sleep with each other to express it. If they do, then they are sent to be reeducated by the Ben-Hassrath. If a child is produced, the same thing happens as with all other Qunari children: it is sent to be raised by the Tamassrans, evaluated, and assigned a job. Qunari do not waste resources unnecessarily, people included.[4]
as people have stated, in the Qun you get put with a partner to breed, no time for hanky panky or any of that "love" business, homosexual or otherwise.
No one was saying or even implying that trans people are nonexistent. Same sex relationships cannot produce children because both members are of the same sex. Trans people are still their biological sex and, ergo, a transman and another man would still be a different sex relationship (and NOT a same sex relationship) because the transman is of the female sex/biologically female and the cisman is of the male sex/biologically male.
You know perfectly well that people generally mean homoromantic when they say homosexual as a weird formal way of saying gay. You're trying to dress up your transphobia in a pseudoscientific package and it's gross. Stop.
Also, 'biological sexes' are a lot more complicated than you think: intersex people exist, as do people with atypical chromosonal arrangements.
The Qun is so strict... homosexuality would be considered a deviance. No acceptation whatsoever.
Exactly, and likely they would deem it as a "poison of the mind" and send the poor blighters to their commissars for reeducation.
That is just not true. They have deep feelings and do love, but they don't show it physically. They do and can love each other, but their culture works differently than ours. The children are still raised by elders, just not their own birth parents. They do have a family with their peers and form relationships that are every bit as meaningful as any conventional family in Thedas. Sten had strong feelings of brotherhood with his other Quanri scouts that came with him, which is proven if you do his Fade sequence during Broken Circle.
For adults, you can have romantic love without sex. There is several asexual forum posters that have repeatedly said as such. Anyway, to address your question Doc, I really don't think it's an issue due to selective breeding. There might be Quanri that are attracted to men, but we're talking a culture that separates love and sex very thoroughly.
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A feeling of brotherhood is not the same thing as romantic love. I played the fade with Sten and saw the scene you refer to, but that isn't romantic love. Also, the children aren't raised by elders, they are raised by what are basically women priests, but it isn't a parent child type of dynamic. It is like they are sent off to a private school at birth.
The qunari don't practice affection as others on Thedas do. Sten says as much. They don't truly even have a concept of personal identity or property. Sten isn't even sten's name, its his rank. "Stop teasing the Sten". Sure Sten has his sword, but he says it isn't a thing he owns but a part of his body.
So no, while we don't know, what we do know leads me to believe that Qunari practice a very duty and service life style and I do not expect that Qunari society allows for hetero or ****** sexual relationships outside of breeding purposes.
Actually, according to the comics (which are stated to be canon in all things that are not decided by the games. Meaning we can trust that Mae always exists and Qunari culture is as the comics say it is) Qunari do have individual names that are very carefully chosen-- that's why that woman wanted to know Isabela's birth name so badly. It's just that individual names are both highly personal AND it's more efficient to refer to people by rank in a lot of situations, and the Qun is all about efficiency.
Actually, according to the comics (which are stated to be canon in all things that are not decided by the games. Meaning we can trust that Mae always exists and Qunari culture is as the comics say it is) Qunari do have individual names that are very carefully chosen-- that's why that woman wanted to know Isabela's birth name so badly. It's just that individual names are both highly personal AND it's more efficient to refer to people by rank in a lot of situations, and the Qun is all about efficiency.
Reminds me of the Hanar from Mass Effect.
Probably the only instance you can compare the Qunari to the Hanar. 
I don't think the Qunari understand love. The Qunari devote themselves to the Qun not any single person. So they probibly reeducate any who feel anything close to love.
Yep.
Devotion to the Qun and only the Qun.
Almost a hivemind if you will.
Reminds me of the Hanar from Mass Effect.
Probably the only instance you can compare the Qunari to the Hanar.
They're like student army hippies vs. vegan commune hippies
Which begs the question, who are the LSD hippies in this equation?
Man, everyone painting the qunari as the only people in all of Thedas who restrict sex have clearly forgotten about the Chantry. Remember, Circle mages cannot have sex or family units either. We know from encountering them that there are deviants (Anders--remember his joke about how mages wear skirts for easy access when nobody's looking?--and that one runaway kid you find in the bar who says he's never even seen a naked woman) and that there are those who are content with this (Wynne, Irving).
But people keep equating sex with orientation. You can be a homosexual virgin, just like you can be a straight virgin. Your orientation has nothing to do with whether or not you have sex. You can view sex as utilitarian, a means to an end, and still have romantic inclinations toward the same sex, and not view those things as conflicting. If that is culturally how sex is viewed, it wouldn't be much of a stretch at all.
I'd just like to pop into this thread real quick and nip the idea that same sex relationships can't produce children right in the bud. Trans people exist. Sorry, but that was bothering me a lot.
From what I've read about the Qun in this thread, I'd have to come to the conclusion that homoROMANTIC relationships would be fine, but anything involving "doing the do" outside of what the priesthood allows would be dealt with accordingly.
That's another question, actually. Sten confronts a female Warden about taking on what is considered a male role in the qun. He says that the qun dictates that everyone remains within their assigned role, and not try to change it. This would imply that being trans would go against the qun. HOWEVER, we also know that the Tamassrans evaluate and assign the roles of children later in life, not at birth. What if trans individuals are recognized and assigned their role accordingly? We don't even know if they are assigned a gender at birth the way that we are. Maybe their gender, like their job, is assigned to them when they come of age.
They feel love.They have friends. They form emotional bonds with one another.-mary Kirby.I don't think the Qunari understand love. The Qunari devote themselves to the Qun not any single person. So they probibly reeducate any who feel anything close to love.
When the qunari are allowed to celebrate, the Ben-Hassrath will bring frivolities to a halt with public executions.I'm just wondering where people are getting the idea that Qunari are against recreational sex from? Certainly, what we have seen from them so far is that they are extremely dutiful and practical, but are we really to assume they aren't EVER permitted any leisure time/pursuits or personal life? I find that unlikely.
Man, everyone painting the qunari as the only people in all of Thedas who restrict sex have clearly forgotten about the Chantry. Remember, Circle mages cannot have sex or family units either. We know from encountering them that there are deviants (Anders--remember his joke about how mages wear skirts for easy access when nobody's looking?--and that one runaway kid you find in the bar who says he's never even seen a naked woman) and that there are those who are content with this (Wynne, Irving).
But people keep equating sex with orientation. You can be a homosexual virgin, just like you can be a straight virgin. Your orientation has nothing to do with whether or not you have sex. You can view sex as utilitarian, a means to an end, and still have romantic inclinations toward the same sex, and not view those things as conflicting. If that is culturally how sex is viewed, it wouldn't be much of a stretch at all.
That's another question, actually. Sten confronts a female Warden about taking on what is considered a male role in the qun. He says that the qun dictates that everyone remains within their assigned role, and not try to change it. This would imply that being trans would go against the qun. HOWEVER, we also know that the Tamassrans evaluate and assign the roles of children later in life, not at birth. What if trans individuals are recognized and assigned their role accordingly? We don't even know if they are assigned a gender at birth the way that we are. Maybe their gender, like their job, is assigned to them when they come of age.
I actually think that entirely possible. Transness has existed and even been relatively accepted in quite a few societies with strict gender segregation. Trans people are either thought of as a 'third gender' that often has a particular spiritual role in the same was cis men and women would be seen as having particularly spritual roles, or they're just men and women and like everyone else as long as they don't step outside their respective gender's strict guidelines, nobody particularly cares.
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