Reminds me of the Hanar from Mass Effect.
Probably the only instance you can compare the Qunari to the Hanar.
Qunari names work a lot more like Salarian names. Both of them are basically social security numbers.
Like Rannadril Ghan Swa Fulsoom Karaten Narr Eadi Bel Anoleis, the guy from noveria for those ME fans out there.
Yep.
Devotion to the Qun and only the Qun.
Almost a hivemind if you will.
But what if....
Qunari names work a lot more like Salarian names. Both of them are basically social security numbers.
Like Rannadril Ghan Swa Fulsoom Karaten Narr Eadi Bel Anoleis, the guy from noveria for those ME fans out there.
I was referring to both having a Face Name and a Soul Name.
Qunari names work a lot more like Salarian names. Both of them are basically social security numbers.
Like Rannadril Ghan Swa Fulsoom Karaten Narr Eadi Bel Anoleis, the guy from noveria for those ME fans out there.
Mm, I don't know about that. Social Security numbers are about tracking individuals en masse. The Qun doesn;t care about individuals, it just wants to know how many in each role it has. However, individual Qunari care about other individual Qunari and I think that's what the names are about
I was referring to both having a Face Name and a Soul Name.
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I think people should realise qunari do have a sexual drive. It is stated right here:
Qunari have no "family units": they do not marry, choose partners, or even know to whom they are related. A father's role ends at conception. A mother's ends at birth. A Qunari's "family" consists of his or her peers, called brothers and sisters.
Qunari generally do not associate mating with love. They feel love. They have friends. They form emotional bonds with one another. However, they simply do not sleep with each other to express it. IF THEY DO, then they are sent to be reeducated by the Ben-Hassrath. If a child is produced, the same thing happens as with all other Qunari children: it is sent to be raised by the Tamassrans, evaluated, and assigned a job. Qunari do not waste resources unnecessarily, people included.
Obvious example of social conditioning not being able to override natural conditioning. If they feel sexual attraction, then obviously they can be homosexual.
Generally I think the Qunari do not care about it, for as long as you still put the Qun before the needs of you and your loved one. However, love working in funky ways with a person's prioritizing, I would also imagine that the Qunari generally look down on romantic relationships, as opposed to friendships, since you might end up putting someone else before the Qun.
Generally I think the Qunari do not care about it, for as long as you still put the Qun before the needs of you and your loved one. However, love working in funky ways with a person's prioritizing, I would also imagine that the Qunari generally look down on romantic relationships, as opposed to friendships, since you might end up putting someone else before the Qun.
I don't really think romance>friendship. You are as likely to risk your life for a very good friend as for a romantic partner. Their attitude probably comes from what they perceive as practicality. Sex is meant for reproduction, therefore that's all it should be performed for.
I don't think the Qunari understand love. The Qunari devote themselves to the Qun not any single person. So they probibly reeducate any who feel anything close to love.
Except they do feel love. Mary Kirby has even stated so. The quote of her is a page or two back.
because Romantic love is giving someone else yourself in Totality, and your Significant other doing the same.They feel love.They have friends. They form emotional bonds with one another.-mark Kirby.
http://forum.bioware...nari/?p=3294715
Why does everyone ignore this quote?
because Romantic love is giving someone else yourself in Totality, and your Significant other doing the same.
That it Impossible in Qunari Culture since their Modus operandi is total devotion to the State.
Except a lot of people in real life can/do choose duty over love, when push comes to shove. The Qunari can feel love. Romantic love, maybe, if their chemistry is anything like a human's. They just don't express it physically.
I don't think that was ever in question. The debate is more "is homosexuality allowed in the Qun?" And I think the answer to that is "LOL nope."If they feel sexual attraction, then obviously they can be homosexual.
because Romantic love is giving someone else yourself in Totality, and your Significant other doing the same.
That it Impossible in Qunari Culture since their Modus operandi is total devotion to the State.
Love is a subjective term. For me it is simply an emotional relationship that involves passion/sexual attraction/lust. That doesn't require giving yourself to someone else entirely. The Qunari are likely to find it useless and maybe even subversive, but no particularly threatening.
because Romantic love is giving someone else yourself in Totality, and your Significant other doing the same.
That it Impossible in Qunari Culture since their Modus operandi is total devotion to the State.
Are two people who are in love incapable of also loving their parents, children, siblings, and friends? Are they unable to be driven at work? Are they incapable of passionately devoting themselves to anything other than each other? Of course not. People are more complicated than that. Nobody gives themselves 100% to anything 100% of the time, not even the person who they are in love with.
It is not impossible to be in love with somebody even if you cannot have sex with them. It is not impossible to be in love with somebody even if all you will ever be able to do with them is work side-by-side every day.
I don't think that was ever in question. The debate is more "is homosexuality allowed in the Qun?" And I think the answer to that is "LOL nope."
We really don't know that, though. I find the assumption that a highly structured society would automatically be averse to things that OUR culture is traditionally averse to a huge fallacy. People also assumed that the Chantry would frown on the very same thing. It generally doesn't care.
because Romantic love is giving someone else yourself in Totality, and your Significant other doing the same.
That it Impossible in Qunari Culture since their Modus operandi is total devotion to the State.
That is a scary way to think about romantic love, imo.
You don't need sex to have romantic love. That's very clear by the people I know who have romantic love and never have sex.
So if any race can join the qun and they are gay already? Tallis talks about all the families who are of the qun but not necessarily quanadar (?) Can you have your lifestyle cake and eat it too?
love a husband and wife feels is different than one a father and son would. Because one is ram antic the other is Paternal. Tallis loved her teacher like a father, but that is abnormal. Sten and his friends had Brotherly love, which is vastly different than Romantic love. Do the Qunari love? Sure. Can they have a romantic relationship? No.Are two people who are in love incapable of also loving their parents, children, siblings, and friends? Are they unable to be driven at work? Are they incapable of passionately devoting themselves to anything other than each other? Of course not. People are more complicated than that. Nobody gives themselves 100% to anything 100% of the time, not even the person who they are in love with.
I'm not projecting our society's prejudices on to the qunari. I'm saying that the qunari have their own prejudices against sexuality that go far beyond anything our society considers sane.We really don't know that, though. I find the assumption that a highly structured society would automatically be averse to things that OUR culture is traditionally averse to a huge fallacy. People also assumed that the Chantry would frown on the very same thing. It generally doesn't care.
But why are so many of you connecting romance and sex, as if their were two inseperable entities?
Can you have sex without romance? Yes.
Can you have romance without sex? Yes.
Just because the Qunari treats romance differently on a cultural and a personal level, does not mean they are without it. It is simply different.
love a husband and wife feels is different than one a father and son would. Because one is ram antic the other is Paternal. Tallis loved her teacher like a father, but that is abnormal. Sten and his friends had Brotherly love, which is vastly different than Romantic love. Do the Qunari love? Sure. Can they have a romantic relationship? No.
Yes, and devotion to a person that you love is different from devotion to a philosophy. You said they cannot conceive of love because they devote themselves only to the Qun. This is where I disagree. You can have both. Where they might conflict is in acting on that devotion. But that does not mean they cannot have feelings for another person romantically.
I'm not projecting our society's prejudices on to the qunari. I'm saying that the qunari have their own prejudices against sexuality that go far beyond anything our society considers sane.
I'm saying that if the qunari could eliminate sexuality entirely without jeopardizing the continuation of their species - such as through the use of cloning - they would do it, without sparing a second thought.
Your sexuality, along with your individuality, serves no purpose within the Qun.
Well, yes and no.
Sex for pleasure has no place in the Qun. Marriage has no place in the Qun.
But as far as we know, the Qun does not restrict fondness for other people. If people are allowed to develop close friendships, then it's possible they are also allowed to develop non-sexual romantic relationships.
But why are so many of you connecting romance and sex, as if their were two inseperable entities?
I feel like people keep jumping straight to the "sexual" in "homosexual" and forgetting that all it means is an inclination towards the same sex.
But why are so many of you connecting romance and sex, as if their were two inseperable entities?
Because for some they are?
Because for some they are?
Notice how you said "some" and not "all" which would prove the point of the people saying that Qunari are capable of feeling romantic love for another without doing the do.
But why are so many of you connecting romance and sex, as if their were two inseperable entities?
It's our culture. Conversely, our culture also supports sex without love.
I know, but to paraphrase Nathaniel Howe, "We like irony It rolls off the tongue better than ethnocentric."
Notice how you said "some" and not "all" which would prove the point of the people saying that Qunari are capable of feeling romantic love for another without doing the do.
I'm not sure where Qunari would get such a concept tbh.
Notice how you said "some" and not "all" which would prove the point of the people saying that Qunari are capable of feeling romantic love for another without doing the do.
Romantic love implies sexual attraction. That's where the word 'love' comes from. Qunari would be capable of feeling romantic love without 'doing the do', but not if they didn't feel attracted to each other. The same goes for everyone.
It's our culture. Conversely, our culture also supports sex without love.
I know, but to paraphrase Nathaniel Howe, "We like irony It rolls off the tongue better than ethnocentric."
Again, romantic love. Although I admit I dislike this turn the term has taken lately.
But as far as we know, the Qun does not restrict fondness for other people. If people are allowed to develop close friendships, then it's possible they are also allowed to develop non-sexual romantic relationships.
And that's what I think is a dreadful contradiction.
Sex for pleasure has no place in the Qun. Marriage has no place in the Qun.
But as far as we know, the Qun does not restrict fondness for other people. If people are allowed to develop close friendships, then it's possible they are also allowed to develop non-sexual romantic relationships.
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