I'm not sure where Qunari would get such a concept tbh.
I'm not sure they have a concept of romantic love. It is just breeding on one hand and friendship and possibly brotherhood on the other. At least, that's what I roughly translate "kadan" into my head as.
Romantic love implies sexual attraction. That's where the word 'love' comes from. Qunari would be capable of feeling romantic love without 'doing the do', but not if they didn't feel attracted to each other. The same goes for everyone.
Etymology-wise you're correct, but you're also being deliberately obtuse if you think etymology=correct definition always. Also, you're only correct in English. Also, your logic means I totes want to frick my family which is ew.
Love has exactly 0 to do with sex. Hell, sex has very little to do with attraction since there are different types of attraction. Since the majority of people are sexual, though, the two get conflated. But 'majority' is by no means 'all'. People fall in love without feeling sexual attraction. People can feel sexual attraction without acting on it.
Frankly, it's the assumption that acting on sexual attraction is an absolute must is quite disturbing, since it's nearly inevitable that if you feel sexual attraction, you're going to feel it for someone who's just not interested. We (including fictional sapient species in this I guess) aren't freakin' bonobos. Self-control, one of the MAIN TENETS of the Qun if fact (!), exists.
Etymology-wise you're correct, but you're also being deliberately obtuse if you think etymology=correct definition always. Also, you're only correct in English. Also, your logic means I totes want to frick my family which is ew.
Love originally is just a fancy way of saying passion/lust/sexual attraction. That the meaning has been broadened and broadened ever more to the point where it is close to losing all meaning is a source of frustration for me bigger than anything questions about the proper use of the term 'Qunari' could ever do.
Frankly, it's the assumption that acting on sexual attraction is an absolute must is quite disturbing, since it's nearly inevitable that if you feel sexual attraction, you're going to feel it for someone who's just not interested.
Frankly, the assumption that acting on 'love' is an absolute must is quite disturbing, since it's nearly inevitable that if you feel 'love', you're going to feel it for someone who's just not interested.
Love has exactly 0 to do with sex.
Romantic love has everything to do with sex, although it certainly is, or at least can be, more than just that. And what I truly find disturbing is the implication that it is somehow so superior to other, non-sexual types of human relationships that it is treated like a honor badge that cannot be denied. No, it's not especial. Platonic love can be just as powerful and significant in all its forms. And the Qun is a culture that has no concept of the former and only approves of the latter as long as it does not harm the efficiency of its members, or so it would seem.
Love originally is just a fancy way of saying passion/lust/sexual attraction. That the meaning has been broadened and broadened ever more to the point where it is close to losing all meaning is a source of frustration for me bigger than anything questions about the proper use of the term 'Qunari' could ever do.
Frankly, the assumption that acting on 'love' is an absolute must is quite disturbing, since it's nearly inevitable that if you feel 'love', you're going to feel it for someone who's just not interested.
Romantic love has everything to do with sex, although it certainly is, or at least can be, more than just that. And what I truly find disturbing is the implication that it is somehow so superior to other, non-sexual types of human relationships that it is treated like a honor badge that cannot be denied. No, it's not especial. Platonic love can be just as powerful and significant in all its forms. And the Qun is a culture that has no concept of the former and only approves of the latter as long as it does not harm the efficiency of its members, or so it would seem.
Actually, acting on love with someone who's not interested is pretty disturbing too, see: the term 'friendzoned', it's just not illegal.
We are in agreement that the over-valuation of romantic love is pr gross, but that does not discount the fact that asexual people exist and do, in fact, fall in love. Romantic love. Nor does it discount the fact it's entirely possible to fall in romantic-style love as a sexual person and just not act on it.
I'm not saying that platonic or familial love isn't important, I'm just saying that romantic love can exist without sex or sexual attraction.
I agree with those who think that homosexuality exists within the qunari as a race, but that, given that it would serve no practical purpose within the Qun, it is discouraged. I would suspect that a gay qunari would have same sex attraction and if s/he acts upon it, would be sent for "re-education", similar to a qunari who acts on recreational opposite sex attraction.
Romantic love implies sexual attraction.
I think many asexual people would disagree with you, though.
It's a shame to see such sexy beasts as the qunaris, being so narrow minded about sex and relationships. I'm getting my ass handed on the end of the act II (nightmare) on DA 2 by being distracted by looking at them 
It's a shame to see such sexy beasts as the qunaris, being so narrow minded about sex and relationships. I'm getting my ass handed on the end of the act II (nightmare) on DA 2 by being distracted by looking at them
Amen. Those are some fine looking Qunari.
Homosexuality would be purposeless within the Qun. Gay sex does not breed offspring and would be a waste. And Qunari do not waste.
Yeah, that's pretty much how I imagine the Qunari would feel about it...
I don't think being attracted to the same gender would be a crime...just looked at as pointless...
Makes me wonder if Qunari masturbate,i mean they have to release "pressure" in some way lol.
Which gives me the idea that when they're sent to be "reeducated",the Ben-Hassrath is having some hardcore Sten-style BDSM with them lol.
Which also gives me a lot of nasty ideas to do with Iron Bull 
What if they practice genital circumcision/mutilation and don't feel that much pleasure during sex? Many IRL religious societies do.
I always wondered if the Qunari race just didn't have as strong sexual urges as the rest of thedas do. That'd be interesting to explore with a Qunari PC.
In the Qun there are no intimate relationships, partnerships, etc. There are literally breeding ceremonies with selectively chosen individuals. I'm guessing they would know if it were possible for the two to... ya know. So no, homosexuality, and SEXUALITY for that matter don't exist in the qun.
-See world of thedas vol 1
I don't think being attracted to the same gender would be a crime...just looked at as pointless...
Being attracted to someone of the opposite gender is also pointless, though I suppose non-specific attraction would be useful.
Yeah, I don't entirely understand why this thread is specifically about homosexuality and the qun and not just sexuality and the qun, since ultimately the whole breeding aspect of the Qun is done without regard for sexuality (at least from everything we have been told?).
Isn‘t everyone forgetting that we already have an example of a qunari-human same-sex relationship?
The Viscount's son Seamus and the qunari Ashaad were a (brief) couple, the devs confirmed it a couple of years ago. It was rather subtle, but that was the subtext of that whole storyline. I'm a bit surprised it hasn't come up in six pages.
Whether the qun religion-society-hivemind as a whole approves or disapproves of homosexuality is another matter, and I suspect only Mary would know for sure.
I always wondered if the Qunari race just didn't have as strong sexual urges as the rest of thedas do. That'd be interesting to explore with a Qunari PC.
It's possible that - unlike humans and apparently dwarves and elves - the qunari are monoestrous and only interested in sex during their breeding season. They could go into rut, or the women might go into heat.
I feel like we should have at least heard vague hints about this by now if it does work like that, but then, we've never even seen a qunari woman in game, let alone heard details about how their reproductive systems work.
Love originally is just a fancy way of saying passion/lust/sexual attraction. That the meaning has been broadened and broadened ever more to the point where it is close to losing all meaning is a source of frustration for me bigger than anything questions about the proper use of the term 'Qunari' could ever do.
That is EXACTLY what love was NOT meant to mean. It is meant to specify something MORE than simple animal lust and sexual desire. Love is another way of saying DEVOTION. But instead of devotion to an ideal or to a cause, you are devoted to a person. Sex does not have to be a part of this at all.
Romantic love implies sexual attraction. That's where the word 'love' comes from. Qunari would be capable of feeling romantic love without 'doing the do', but not if they didn't feel attracted to each other. The same goes for everyone.
Again, romantic love. Although I admit I dislike this turn the term has taken lately.
And that's what I think is a dreadful contradiction.
Tell that to asexual couples.
Isn‘t everyone forgetting that we already have an example of a qunari-human same-sex relationship?
The Viscount's son Seamus and the qunari Ashaad were a (brief) couple, the devs confirmed it a couple of years ago. It was rather subtle, but that was the subtext of that whole storyline. I'm a bit surprised it hasn't come up in six pages.
Whether the qun religion-society-hivemind as a whole approves or disapproves of homosexuality is another matter, and I suspect only Mary would know for sure.
Wow, I have never suspected anything like that... and I am not sure that I like it very much. Now I will see Seamus like a fool in love with a being insted a culture, which was more original, imho.
Thanks for the info, anyway.
(wow, the fandom clearly was aware of this : what a huge load of qunari-human bedtime in tumblr...)
I don't thnk develoopers ever actually confirmed anything regarding Saemus and Ashaad, but the dialogue in the quest heavily implies such a relationship. Take from that what you will. Personally I have always just pictured it that Saemus was in love with Ashaad, but Ashaad wasn't in Saemus, but he was being friendly towards another person "worthy of his time".
That is EXACTLY what love was NOT meant to mean. It is meant to specify something MORE than simple animal lust and sexual desire. Love is another way of saying DEVOTION. But instead of devotion to an ideal or to a cause, you are devoted to a person. Sex does not have to be a part of this at all.
If you are devoted then you are devoted, and that includes everything, sex as well, if the person is interested of course.
So if you are devoted to your family, then you are going to screw your entire extended family? If you are devoted to politics, you are gonna **** all over the parlament?... Yeah... I hope you see the faulty logic in your statement...
To such couples sex is the least of the interestsIf you are devoted then you are devoted, and that includes everything, sex as well, if the person is interested of course.
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