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[TheKomandorShepard]

Why is it a hero party Alistair is just doing what he has to do to win? And of course he would have won because without Alistair there is no one else with a claim to the throne. 

Problem is that alistair isn't normal candidate for king he plays role of the "hero" in that dlc that finds ancient artifacts every other candidate wouldn't get even half far as he pretty normal candidate would be dead already in redcliff fighting with demon and his "army"

 

 

And he still beats Loghain. You're not getting it that it's cannon Loghain loses the war no matter what even if the warden is not there?

That isn't point alistair is "hero" in that dlc point was if loghain would won civil war yep he would if not "the hero" who save the day...

[leaguer of one]

1.Where in the lore?As many other cirminal organizations.Harrowmont could handle them.

2.Not rly as i said he was winning until the warden/alistair healed eamon and still he won only thanks to the warden/alistair.

3.I see you are avoiding what what I write as i said absolute monarchy yes they have "army" so what so competent monarch would brought on his side,.... so please stop justify celene as she is weak and can only stay in her position without actual power by pleasing nobles...

1. Dude. Do not read the credits of dao? Harrowmont always loses to the castless unless he has a golem army. He lose badly. THE FACT THAT HE LOSES BAD PROVES THERE'S MORE CASTELESS THE ALL OF THE OTHER CASTE.

2.No,  it cannon that he loses to Alistair if the warden is not their. ALISTAIR IS ALWAY GOING TO BE THERE.

3. No, you are ignoring how a monarchy works. Look it up. The monarchy does not have the majority of an army in their country. It's a collaboration of the units they have and what the nobles have. Hell, you see this in DAO as the first battle army is the combination of nobles and king's army. You really don't know how it works.

[TheKomandorShepard]

1. Dude. Do not read the credits of dao? Harrowmont always loses to the castless unless he has a golem army. He lose badly. THE FACT THAT HE LOSES BAD PROVES THERE'S MORE CASTELESS THE ALL OF THE OTHER CASTE.

2.No,  it cannon that he loses to Alistair if the warden is not their. ALISTAIR IS ALWAY GOING TO BE THERE.

3. No, you are ignoring how a monarchy works. Look it up. The monarchy does not have the majority of an army in their country. It's a collaboration of the units they have and what the nobles have. Hell, you see this in DAO as the first battle army is the combination of nobles and king's army. You really don't know how it works.

 

1.He don't lose first he dies because his health which isn't true as he still rules 7 years after if i renember correctly.No it doesn't because he didn't...

2.Like to child...

3.Like to child...

[leaguer of one]

Problem is that alistair isn't normal candidate for king he plays role of the "hero" in that dlc that finds ancient artifacts every other candidate wouldn't get even half far as he pretty normal candidate would be dead already in redcliff fighting with demon and his "army"

 

 

That isn't point alistair is "hero" in that dlc point was if loghain would won civil war yep he would if not "the hero" who save the day...

You're not getting that Alistair become the hero if the warden is not there.  If the warden is not there, Alistair becomes the hero by default. There are no cases of Loghain win that war. There are no case the Alistair doesn't become the hero is the warden is not there. Loghain loses no matter what.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You're not getting that Alistair become the hero if the warden is not there.  If the warden is not there, Alistair becomes the hero by default. There are no cases of Loghain win that war. There are no case the Alistair doesn't become the hero is the warden is not there. Loghain loses no matter what.

oh god... point 2 and 3...

[leaguer of one]

1.He don't lose first he dies because his health which isn't true as he still rules 7 years after if i renember correctly.No it doesn't because he didn't...

2.Like to child...

3.Like to child...

1.He does lose and he was poisoned.

2.THIS WHAT THE LORE LITERALLY SHOWS

3.You clearly don't know how a monarchy works. YOU'RE THAT IGNORANT.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TKS has resorted to petty insults. I'd walk away if I were you, leaguer.

[TheTurtle]

oh god... point 2 and 3...

You're not getting it. Loghain loses no matter what it doesn't matter what it doesn't matter if Alistair was a hero or not the point stands. If we were to go with your idea of no Alistair or Warden then Loghain would have obviously won as no one would have had the authority to oppose him, no one is deabting that. You're trying to deny lore with a strawman argument that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Loghain always loses whether it is to the Warden or Alistair it happens no matter how much you would like to believe otherwise

[AresKeith]

TKS has resorted to petty insults. I'd walk away if I were you, leaguer.

 

I like seeing two similar people argue

[Hellion Rex]

I like seeing two similar people argue

Keith with the shade!

 

*high five*

[leaguer of one]

oh god... point 2 and 3...

Please, point to me where Alistair doesn't stop Loghain if he is in charge.

You not getting there is no case where Alistair does nor become the hero when the warden dies.

 

Also, you really don't know how a monarchy works. If you take the time to look it up you'll see how wrong you are.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

I like seeing two similar people argue

 

Keith with the shade!

 

*high five*

In that case, I brought snacks.

[Hellion Rex]

@Hinata, thanks! So thoughtful.

[TheKomandorShepard]

1.He does lose and he was poisoned.

2.THIS WHAT THE LORE LITERALLY SHOWS

3.You clearly don't know how a monarchy works. YOU'RE THAT IGNORANT.

“In Orzammar, King Harrowmont found himself in a protracted battle against Bhelen's rebellion that left him unable to gain the stability he needed. The clan lords objected to many of his measures in the Assembly, and only his efforts to increase the dwarves' isolation from the surface met with any success.”

 

“In time, Harrowmont's health began to fail. Some claimed it was poison, while others said it was a flagging spirit. Either way, after a protracted illness, the king finally passed away. The wrangling in the Assembly for a successor began almost immediately.''

'

First where you have he lost with rebelion?

second some claim he was poisoned not even said by who

third he is still alive ruling 7 years after...

 

2.You don't know what im even saying to you DC shows alternative events where alistair is typical rpg hero with team that foils big bad plans how many times involed is guy that kills army of undead or find holly artifact with 3 peoples team?! **** it is like talking to...

 

3.And here you are ignoring what im saying repeating same sentence and don't know what im even talking about...

 

You're not getting it. Loghain loses no matter what it doesn't matter what it doesn't matter if Alistair was a hero or not the point stands. If we were to go with your idea of no Alistair or Warden then Loghain would have obviously won as no one would have had the authority to oppose him, no one is deabting that. You're trying to deny lore with a strawman argument that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Loghain always loses whether it is to the Warden or Alistair it happens no matter how much you would like to believe otherwise

 

Ok how many candidates finds ashes that can cure everyone , fight with "army of undead" guy is typical hero as i said 1000 times what you ignore... Now would alistair win if he was normal noble you don't even why i presented that point. Simple remove typical hero team alistair and the warden that save the day thanks super powers. Loghain would win with nobles and rule ferelden if not hereos who save the day pretty much point was if monarch can gain power in own nation...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

@Hinata, thanks! So thoughtful.

You're welcome.

[TheTurtle]

“In Orzammar, King Harrowmont found himself in a protracted battle against Bhelen's rebellion that left him unable to gain the stability he needed. The clan lords objected to many of his measures in the Assembly, and only his efforts to increase the dwarves' isolation from the surface met with any success.”

 

“In time, Harrowmont's health began to fail. Some claimed it was poison, while others said it was a flagging spirit. Either way, after a protracted illness, the king finally passed away. The wrangling in the Assembly for a successor began almost immediately.''

'

First where you have he lost with rebelion?

second some claim he was poisoned not even said by who

third he is still alive ruling 7 years after...

 

2.You don't know what im even saying to you DC shows alternative events where alistair is typical rpg hero with team that foils big bad plans how many times involed is guy that kills army of undead or find holly artifact with 3 peoples team?! **** it is like talking to...

 

3.And here you are ignoring what im saying repeating same sentence and don't know what im even talking about...

 

 

Ok how many candidates finds ashes that can cure everyone , fight with "army of undead" guy is typical hero as i said 1000 times what you ignore... Now would alistair win if he was normal noble you don't even why i presented that point. Simple remove typical hero team alistair and the warden that save the day thanks super powers. Loghain would win with nobles and rule ferelden if not hereos who save the day pretty much point was if monarch can gain power in own nation...

 

“In Orzammar, King Harrowmont found himself in a protracted battle against Bhelen's rebellion that left him unable to gain the stability he needed. The clan lords objected to many of his measures in the Assembly, and only his efforts to increase the dwarves' isolation from the surface met with any success.”

 

“In time, Harrowmont's health began to fail. Some claimed it was poison, while others said it was a flagging spirit. Either way, after a protracted illness, the king finally passed away. The wrangling in the Assembly for a successor began almost immediately.''

'

First where you have he lost with rebelion?

second some claim he was poisoned not even said by who

third he is still alive ruling 7 years after...

 

2.You don't know what im even saying to you DC shows alternative events where alistair is typical rpg hero with team that foils big bad plans how many times involed is guy that kills army of undead or find holly artifact with 3 peoples team?! **** it is like talking to...

 

3.And here you are ignoring what im saying repeating same sentence and don't know what im even talking about...

 

 

Ok how many candidates finds ashes that can cure everyone , fight with "army of undead" guy is typical hero as i said 1000 times what you ignore... Now would alistair win if he was normal noble you don't even why i presented that point. Simple remove typical hero team alistair and the warden that save the day thanks super powers. Loghain would win with nobles and rule ferelden if not hereos who save the day pretty much point was if monarch can gain power in own nation...

You're headcanon doesn't correlate with lore and i'm done explaining why. You obviously have no intention of making a serious rational argument within the confines of lore so forget it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You're headcanon doesn't correlate with lore and i'm done explaining why. You obviously have no intention of making a serious rational argument within the confines of lore so forget it.

*facepalm* what lore please tell me...

[leaguer of one]

In that case, I brought snacks.

Ok, I get it. Kommander is thick like a brick and does not get even if he's smacked in the face with the truth. I'll let him fester in his own ignorance.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ok, I get it. Kommander is thick like a brick and does not get even if he's smacked in the face with the truth. I'll let him fester in his own ignorance.

considering that you were completly wrong about Harrowmont and ignore what im saying i will stay with actual truth rather than that you have in your head...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ok, I get it. Kommander is thick like a brick and does not get even if he's smacked in the face with the truth. I'll let him fester in his own ignorance.

You quoted the wrong post.

[leaguer of one]

*facepalm* what lore please tell me...

The literal dlc that shows what happen when the warden dies.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The literal dlc that shows what happen when the warden dies.

which wasn't even my point...

[leaguer of one]

considering that you were completly wrong about Harrowmont and ignore what im saying i will stay with actual truth rather than that you have in your head...

You're using a case that does not exist with Alistair vs Loghain. You don't understand how a post middle age army is structured with the nobles and the king having their own dedicated forces. And Harrowmont was poisoned during the rebellions...

"In the following series of rebellions, it is revealed that Harrowmont falls ill, most likely due to poisoning, and dies"

http://dragonage.wik...yral_Harrowmont

 

That means he loses.

[leaguer of one]

which wasn't even my point...

That example you use does not exist. There is no case of that ever happening. You are using a "what if" to support your case. But it never happen or will happen because we are already should what will happen if the Warden died. If the warden dies, Alistair successful builds and army no matter what and has support for leader ship no matter what.

 

Loghain always loses...No MATTER WHAT.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You're using a case that does not exist with Alistair vs Loghain. You don't understand how a post middle age army is structured with the nobles and the king having their own dedicated forces. And Harrowmont was poisoned during the rebellions...

"In the following series of rebellions, it is revealed that Harrowmont falls ill, most likely due to poisoning, and dies"

http://dragonage.wik...yral_Harrowmont

 

That means he loses.

 

And pretty much im not you don't even understand what im saying to you... Because i never was speaking about alistair vs loghain only loghain vs nobles...

Second you don't get it pretty much i was talking 100 times about absolute monarchy but it wasn't even point... S

And third you are posting from wiki not game that is interpretation of epilogues that aren't even necessarily match to epilogues where it is said some say it was poison... and epiolgues are proved to be rumors not universal truth even devs said that.In da 2 harrowmont is still alive if i remember 7 years after.

 

 

That example you use does not exist. There is no case of that ever happening. You are using a "what if" to support your case. But it never happen or will happen because we are already should what will happen if the Warden died. If the warden dies, Alistair successful builds and army no matter what and has support for leader ship no matter what.

 

Loghain always loses...No MATTER WHAT.

 

Because you don't even know what about im saying.... simple you twist my words...

There was never alistair vs loghain in my argument there were loghain vs nobles did he was winning with them why he lost because group of typical rpg heroes stoped him finding ancient artifacts... but was he winning against nobles yes he was