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[IronVanguard]

TheBestclass wrote...

Where in the journey does the hero get some alien tang?

One of the helpers or the Gift of the Goddess, I assume. Maybe Transformation.

Modifié par IronVanguard, 22 janvier 2010 - 10:02 .

[IRoNM4yN3 138]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

Both LOTR and Star Wars have stood the test of time. They're both extremely popular across multiple generations and have expanded beyond their original format. ME has only been around for a few years. If in ten, twenty years people are still playing, talking about, making movies, making books, making TV shows based on the original triology then you could compare ME to LOTR or Star Wars. ME may have put out books and a comic but that's more of a marketing plan. If books/comics etc are being made well after the triology then it may be in the same upper echelon as LOTR and SW. But very few games, other then Dungeons and Dragons has reached that level of going beyond 'just' a game.

^This

[GnusmasTHX]

Mass Effect isn't even in the top 10 when it comes to scope. It only get's points for consistency and the fact that the stuff they do have is pretty fleshed out.



This isn't any serious assessment, but as a Star Wars fan, you realize that even in the... Like million years of established history, the universe doesn't really change. You still have tie-fighters and x-wings thousands of years before the films, only that they're cosmetically different. The lore is constantly being rewritten, not major events, but seemingly solid facts established in the films are overlooked for the sake of the EU. Ask anyone who has only seen the OT what materials can withstand a lightsaber, and to a less extent, the NT, and he'll say none. Ask anyone who is even remotely familiar with the EU and he'll start listing things off easily.



That's my only real gripe with the Star Wars universe, but it happens to pretty much any on-going commercial universe. Same thing happened to WoW. Good thing the team behind LoTRO treats most of the lore as sacrosanct, and is less prone to make alterations just for their game.



Anyway, honest opinion, nothing will ever touch Tolkien's Legendarium. From the Silmarillion to Return of the King are the best works of fiction ever written down on paper. I'm sure there are even more adamant scholars that'll argue that that is fact, but I'm happy with just my opinion.



That said; I wouldn't consider ANY LoTRO game released so far any good.

[IRoNM4yN3 138]

IronVanguard wrote...

TheBestclass wrote...

Where in the journey does the hero get some alien tang?

One of the helpers or the Gift of the Goddess, I assume. Maybe Transformation.

its along the line of a helper since the tang is your squadmates, but the romantic subplot of the first game has no huge effect.

[Nimander]

I would say Mass Effect has more interesting depth than Star Wars. Yes, Star Wars has far more stuff, but they contradict each other, and there's retcons and re-retcons (Zahn 'fixing' the horrible work that Kevin Anderson did) and a ton of authorial soapboxing like that EU author who has a hard-on for the Mandalorians. Not to mention the EU is basically an entirely different thematic feel than the actual movies. The movies are space opera. The EU has strong grim and gritty tones (Jaina killing Jacen when she could have just stopped him, etc).

Basically there's a lot of STUFF in Star Wars. But it's all contradictory. It doesn't mesh well. Mass Effect doesn't have as much but it all gels really well, thus far.

Why I think ME is better, and I'm a Star Wars fanboy, sans-EU. Can't stand the EU. And before someone says anything, as evidenced in the first paragraph, I am fairly familiar with the EU novels and so on.

Modifié par Nimander, 22 janvier 2010 - 10:09 .

[Cavegeta]

At this point trying to compare it to either LotR or Star Wars would be like comparing it to The Hobbit and random Tolkien notes/Episode IV and the Holiday Holiday Special. It's really not that old yet.

[Governor Tarkin]

Please...for the love of god....wait thirty years and we'll see if this "space opera" stands the test of time. Time is all powerful and whittles away at everything. We'll see if Mass Effect can last its exposure to the world before breaking down.

[SomethinNothing]

Quality > Quantity

Mass Effect > Star Wars / Lord of the Rings

[Governor Tarkin]

SomethinNothing wrote...

Quality > Quantity

Mass Effect > Star Wars / Lord of the Rings

Nope. You can't compare it yet. And are you telling me that Mass Effect's somewhat juvenille writing is better than the beautfiul prose of Tolkien?

I mean Lord of the Rings is studied in school as a work of 'literary merit". Will Mass Effect ever get that title? I mean its a great game with some massive flaws and some massive strenghts that cancel each other out but its not like Bioware wrote a revolutionary story.

[Fhaileas]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the utter absurdity of this comparison...

[SomethinNothing]

Governor Tarkin wrote...

Nope. You can't compare it yet. And are you telling me that Mass Effect's somewhat juvenille writing is better than the beautfiul prose of Tolkien?

I mean Lord of the Rings is studied in school as a work of 'literary merit". Will Mass Effect ever get that title? I mean its a great game with some massive flaws and some massive strenghts that cancel each other out but its not like Bioware wrote a revolutionary story.

Originality doesn't matter for much anymore, it's all in how you present your ideas. As I said, while I respect Tolkien's work as the originator of modern fantasy, I find it relatively boring despite the beautiful prose.

Just because something was the original development in it's field doesn't make it innately superior, otherwise we'd all still be playing Pong and using stone wheels.

Modifié par SomethinNothing, 22 janvier 2010 - 10:38 .

[Fuhjem24]

More like the new Star Wars.

Hopefully BioWare won't pull a George Lucas and rape their franchise with bad prequels and saturday morning cartoons.

[Governor Tarkin]

SomethinNothing wrote...

Governor Tarkin wrote...

Nope. You can't compare it yet. And are you telling me that Mass Effect's somewhat juvenille writing is better than the beautfiul prose of Tolkien?

I mean Lord of the Rings is studied in school as a work of 'literary merit". Will Mass Effect ever get that title? I mean its a great game with some massive flaws and some massive strenghts that cancel each other out but its not like Bioware wrote a revolutionary story.

Originality doesn't matter for much anymore, it's all in how you present your ideas. As I said, while I respect Tolkien's work as the originator of modern fantasy, I find it relatively boring despite the beautiful prose.

Just because something was the original development in it's field doesn't make it innately superior, otherwise we'd all still be playing Pong and using stone wheels.

Originality still does matter.

[TheBestClass]

I would argue that Mass Effect is better than either LotR or Star Wars but ME draws so much inspiration from Star Wars and a bunch of other science fiction that it simply would not exist if not for the predecessors. Therefore Star Wars>ME. I still like ME more but it's more of a polished, mature version of Star Wars.

[Zomg_A_Chicken]

Mass Effect is not even close to LOTR

[coppercondor]

actually when i played ME1 i got the starwars vibe, never the lotr vibe. To me ME is like a parallel universe to starwars

[Wolf_in_the_Meadow]

I just occurred to me that you could probably make a lightsaber using a Mass Effect Field...

[Sailears]

Mass Effect is a revolutionary game
as Star Wars were revolutionary films (and more recently Avatar)
and LoTR is revolutionary fiction/fantasy

I wouldn't want to compare the stories for each (they're all amazing and enjoyable), but instead look at what they have brought to the form of entertainment they originated in.
That's how I see it at the moment, though by no means am I standing by this as my opinion will most likely change.

[MajesticMoose]

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[Doveberry]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

SamN7 wrote...

Gorn Kregore wrote...

More like the Star Wars of 21st century.

Nah it rapes Star Wars, the lore and universe is far more well thought out and just.. well, it's just so much better. I've nver found myself so fasinated by a fictional setting haha!

Spoken like somebody who knows nothing about Star Wars.  Quit your ignorance.

I am a complete Star Wars geek (to the point where I frequently make a fool out of myself by spouting random SW facts), but when you look closely at both universes, Mass Effect does keep a higher overall quality than Star Wars does. True enough, the Star Wars universe is enormous, at least if you count all the Extended Universe material. When it comes to size, Mass Effect doesn't stand a chance. However, looking at all the little details, Mass Effect keeps everything together in a way that Star Wars has never gotten close to.
As attached as I am to the Star Wars Universe (cannot wait for SW:TOR), I wouldn't hesitate to admit that as a universe, Mass Effect is better. And this is probably because every piece of information in this universe comes from Bioware. Everything is scrutinized in the same way, and then deemed fit or unfit. Star Wars is a bit all over the place. Information about the universe comes from all possible directions, and it's not all equally good. This is what makes Mass Effect better, in my opinion. Story-wise, though, I'd have trouble choosing between the two.

As for LotR, I can't really see the resemblence. During the twentieth century, The LotR Trilogy were the best selling books next after the Bible. Mass Effect isn't quite there, but I suppose that I can see the OP's point.

Modifié par Doveberry, 23 janvier 2010 - 01:16 .

[screwoffreg]

Dragon Age is the new Lord of the Rings. Mass Effect is the new Star Wars. Bioware is really hitting them out of the park lately with its games. First ME 2 this year, then DA: Awakening by March...who knows what is next?!

[SPARTAN-860]

Star Wars is simply unrealistic, I have read most of the published books, and none of them have explained anything about how a hyperdrive functions, how blasters are fired (some say that each pistol has no more than a dozen shots before inserting a new power core, others write action scenes with continuous firing. All armour apart from Beskar seems to do nothing against blaster fire, so why would you use it?



For me Mass Effect is just better defined with a better storyline that actually makes sense. Mass Effect easily trumps Star Wars.

[Fuzzyrabbit]

Kane-Corr wrote...

I dont get how star wars is sci-fi? lol it really fits the fantasy genre better!

Indeed. Star Wars is actually classed as Science Fantasy. It incorporates a number of traditional fantasy elements like a 'destined one', and a mysterious 'force' with no plausible explanation. Also, little or no attempt is made to explain how the technologies of the setting function. It's left largely up to the reader's imagination.

[GnusmasTHX]

screwoffreg wrote...

Dragon Age is the new Lord of the Rings

No.