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[GmanFresh]

they need a film directed by james cameron to reach that level

[GnusmasTHX]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

GmanFresh wrote...

they need a film directed by james cameron to reach that level

Eh, he needs to stick to the action.  Every time he's gone outside of that realm it just falls flat, drags out, and gets boring.

I'm pretty sure his most award-winning/nominated film was the Titanic.

I'm not sure; personally the Titanic is my favorite movie from him, even more than *gasp* Avatar!

[GmanFresh]

i meant he would get the hype for the film needed.

[spernus]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

I'm pretty sure his most award-winning/nominated film was the Titanic.

I'm not sure; personally the Titanic is my favorite movie from him, even more than *gasp* Avatar!

Well, it's a matter of taste.  I'd watch Terminator1/2 or Aliens over Titanic or Avatar any day of the week.

It's a matter of taste indeed because the guy is not an artist. Cameron is a master entertainer and he know it all too well.He will end up being known for Titanic and Avatar mostly,even if most sci-fi or geeks will prefer aliens or Terminator(for exactly the reason you didn't enjoy Titanic or Avatar,having the guts to branch out of pure action flick and trying his hands at entertaining movies for the entire world by mixing action,drama,romance,special effects,etc).

I enjoyed Avatar and I am sure that he could pull off a Mass effect movie with his eyes closed.After all,look at the writing in a James Cameron movie and Mass effect or any Bioware game and it's quite similar.

Modifié par spernus, 23 janvier 2010 - 02:24 .

[Bootsykk]

That would be Dragon Age.

Mass Effect is actually doing a much better job than most SciFi games I've seen as far as originality goes. Dragon Age is very original too, but since almost all fantasy nowadays is Tolkein based, the fanboys assume that means it's ripping off Tolkein.

[Rioteous]

I would argue that ME, so far, occupies a space lower than the original LoTR and lower than the original Star Wars films, but higher than the LoTR hollywood-ized movies and the crapfest that was the Star Wars prequels.

[Fuzzyrabbit]

Honestly, I hate these kinds of comparisons. You see it all the time with books these days. There are quotes on the back claiming that so-and-so is "The Tolkien of our generation." and assorted variations on this theme. We should celebrate modern authors for their own work, not dress them as second rate versions of literary classics.



Bioware writes stories of a quality rarely seen in games. In this they are original, an inspiration to the medium, and I do believe their work can stand the test of time. Baldur's Gate was released over a decade ago, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that still feels a fondness for the story and characters, especially Minsc.

[Garndell]

Short answer: NO!!!!



Long answer: It's more akin to Babylon 5, in fact it's eerily similar in a few ways. Human Minbari war, central station for diplomacy, alien races bent on making all life extinct, strong central character (shephard - sheridan/ivanova)

[DJStarstryker]

Heck no it's not like LotR. LotR has more mass appeal because it's a book/movie series. Video games simply don't really break that hugely into pop culture like that.

[KainrycKarr]

IRoNM4yN3 138 wrote...

SamN7 wrote...

Gorn Kregore wrote...

More like the Star Wars of 21st century.

Nah it rapes Star Wars, the lore and universe is far more well thought out and just.. well, it's just so much better. I've nver found myself so fasinated by a fictional setting haha!

im not a star wars fan boy, just a fan of the OT and a few games, but you cant possibly think that a game thats been out a few years has "far more well thought out" lore than a universe thats been around for 40 years

Jar jar binks.

The books are much more thought out than the movies. The OT was fantastic, but did NOT have the same depth as ME.

the quality of the Star wars Lore is varying, depending on the writing. A whole lot is complete crap.

To me, the only good Star Wars lore is the OT, the Thrawn Trilogy, the Bounty Hunter Wars, and the Yuuzhan-Vong/Legacy of the Force books.

Granted, that still makes much more depth than Mass Effect, but I think ME can catch up depending on how much Bioware expands.

[averbalin]

*looks around for a halfling* I would say no.

[Firndeloth]

Tolkien was created a mythology, as an amalgamation of other mythologies, for England. He was writing a story that in history, in scale, and in detail is one of the most impressive works in memory. Whether you enjoy his writing or not, his characters carry an emotional depth and a fullness of description that surpass those in the Mass Effect universe. While I adore Mass Effect, I do so for different reasons. I love Lord of the Rings, but I do not worship it or find its story-telling style to be superior to others. But Mass Effect is following lines and influences fairly separate from Lord of the Rings and it's innovations also take it away from that particular world and style.

Mass Effect is not Lord of the Rings. But that isn't to say it is without merit or depth.

Modifié par Firndeloth, 23 janvier 2010 - 06:54 .

[Firndeloth]

Fuzzyrabbit wrote...

Honestly, I hate these kinds of comparisons. You see it all the time with books these days. There are quotes on the back claiming that so-and-so is "The Tolkien of our generation." and assorted variations on this theme. We should celebrate modern authors for their own work, not dress them as second rate versions of literary classics.

Bioware writes stories of a quality rarely seen in games. In this they are original, an inspiration to the medium, and I do believe their work can stand the test of time. Baldur's Gate was released over a decade ago, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that still feels a fondness for the story and characters, especially Minsc.

Especially since many works thus described ARE second rate mimicries. I don't think Mass Effect is entirely original, but I am drawn into it's universe. While it is flattering to Lord of the Rings, not everything of epic scope is like Lord of the Rings.

Whether praising or criticizing a work, comparisons should  be chosen very carefully if they are to mean anything at all. On book jackets, and seemingly in the original post, the comparison was not very carefully chosen. Mass Effect has so many more direct parallels, if you want to compare it to works of fiction or movies. Bioware has drawn from many other influences, some announced others merely apparent, over the years, and they have produced respectable stories.

Modifié par Firndeloth, 23 janvier 2010 - 07:02 .

[Lemonio]

 no.
the lord of the rings are good books.
by this post i can tell that you have not bothered to read them.
please restrain yourself from insulting tolkien

[Firndeloth]

I suppose another issue with the comparison is that, regardless of whether individuals here like Tolkien or not, and even though a lot of what he is known for "starting" isn't entirely his own, Tolkien was a major player in the formation of our literary culture from cerebral to pulp fiction across multiple genres but most unquestionably in High Fantasy. Tolkien popularized some of the most frequent fantasy elements we see in modern fiction and still captures people across generations. Mass Effect hasn't had the time to do this. Has Baldur's Gate affected the video game world as much as Lord of the Rings affected the literary one? I don't think so. Will Mass Effect? Perhaps.

I argue that Tolkien has even affected the video game world more than Baldur's Gate, and indeed more than Bioware. How much these stories affect individuals, namely those on this forum, is another matter. And this is just for comparison of scale, not quality.

Modifié par Firndeloth, 23 janvier 2010 - 07:11 .