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[Mrs_Stick]

This forum continues to amuse me. I find it fascinating that the time capsule scene is so annoying to people. Seriously putting this much effort into hating a bunch of pixels because it wasn't your waifu who did the scene.
 
What would happen if we didn't leave anything, not even an archive of technology for the next cycle? Would they develop along a different path and thus break the cycle?

I think the reapers would make sure something was left behind. Just to insure the next cycle developed in the time frame they want.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I think the reapers would make sure something was left behind. Just to insure the next cycle developed in the time frame they want.

 

That part of the lore always bothered me. Back in ME1, I was under the impression that the Prothean archives back on Mars were a unique scenario, which was why humanity was able to advance so quickly in such a short amount of time -- because they had the Prothean data as a short cut. That the Reapers (well, the Indoctrinate thralls) destroyed everything they could find leaving it up to the Organics to find element zero, experiment with it, then use the stuff to explore until they found the Mass Relays and the Citadel. And situations like Mars, Feros, Ilos, etc. were holes in the net. If I remember correctly, all the data entries about the other races finding Prothean objects were added in ME2 and ME3.

[SporkFu]

It makes sense for something an archaeologist would do.

 

Though I hope she has a way to switch them off if we win, because other wise they could seriously freak some species out.

I'm guessing Glyph has a "if we won, ixnay on the eapersray" fail-safe.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The original plot: Dark Energy... element zero caused a build up of dark energy. We make sure you develop along the paths we desire. We make sure you use element zero and cause more dark energy that's causing a premature death of the galaxy, so we have to kill you before because you're using element zero that's causing the premature death of the galaxy so that we can make sure that the next cycle uses element zero. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

The original plot: Dark Energy... element zero caused a build up of dark energy. We make sure you develop along the paths we desire. We make sure you use element zero and cause more dark energy that's causing a premature death of the galaxy, so we have to kill you before because you're using element zero that's causing the premature death of the galaxy so that we can make sure that the next cycle uses element zero. 

 

I'm not trying to say that the Dark Energy plot for sure would have been better, but I think there's a number of ways around that. Perhaps, the dark energy dissipates over time, which is why the Reapers use cycles and hibernate, which allows the build up to go away over time before the next cycle appears. Perhaps, the Relays are built to be economic (they have the Dark Energy Star label?) users of Dark Energy. There's probably a number of explanations that could be used to make sense of it.

[shodiswe]

Liara is the Shadowbroker, with Shadowbroker assets. It makes sense that it was she and her team that planted the devices and hid them for future generations..... Would you expect "Vega" to spread recordings across thousands of worlds that would last for 50 000 years?

What's he supposed to do? Kick them til they are in place and working? Might have taken him a few decades and, I doubt they would still be in working order.

Liara was the right choices... The Alternative would have been Hackett with his fleets, armies and N7 assets. Anderson was stuck on Earth.

Maybe the Council. But Ithink the Council is more concerned about the current state of affairs rather than future civilisations after them. Liara, however is an archeologist, and I guess it makes sense for her to think about what future Archeologists would find... She then decided to help them with their research. Her message was probably better than several others left behind by previous civilisations due to her intimate knowledge of the difficulties of studying nad translating information from dead alien cultures.

The Protean beacon wasn't even meant for the next cycle, it was a warning to other Proteans.

[Farangbaa]

Some of you should just stop playing Mass Effect before you hate everything about it.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Some of you should just stop playing Mass Effect before you hate everything about it.

 

After that ending all that is left of the series is to poke fun at the story line.

[Kabooooom]

My favorite headcanon ending for ME is that we were too late.

We waited far to long to act about the reapers this cycle. We gave it our best however, and set the stage for future victory by weakening them considerably and the time capsule (amongst others left throughout the galaxy) the next cycle was able to destroy the reapers, not easily, but without destroying their civilizations.

Human civilization fell, along with Asari, Turian, and Salarian (among others) but it is remembered and revered. Our greatest works, individuals, and values were saved for those who come along next.

And as for Shepard and co? I am a spiritual person. Citadel is the afterlife and I'm okay with that.

This is actually my exact preferred head canon too (and im not even religious but I still prefer the Citadel party as a sort of prelude to the afterlife). Im surprised someone else is as morbid as me. I thought everyone here preferred hollywood happy endings.

[KaiserShep]

It's curious to me how "Hollywood" is now synonymous with happy endings.

[Ryriena]

This is actually my exact preferred head canon too (and im not even religious but I still prefer the Citadel party as a sort of prelude to the afterlife). Im surprised someone else is as morbid as me. I thought everyone here preferred hollywood happy endings.

I actually preferred a ending like that as I, think it makes sense. The terms used for the bars in ME2 or Purgatory for ME3 would actually make sense. I have head canon that too and that would be something interesting just watching Shepard journey. I'm not morbid I like those type of stories. In away, he was drifting between life and death since in away he wanted these things too happen. He was remembering his or her own life and memories. That would make sense actually, since in, ME2 they have the bar named the Afterlife. However, since he was drifting between life and death we get the Citadel for purgatory in ME3. The ending is him choosing to go back to his own life or go to heaven...

[Farangbaa]

It's curious to me how "Hollywood" is now synonymous with happy endings.

 

Because there's movie out there that have alternate endings specifically for the United States (and Hollywood = US movietown). Apparantly the US crowd can't handle an 'unhappy' ending, examplified rather well by Mass Effect 3... (no I'm not implying there was no disappointment over the ending in other parts of the world)

 

The movie 1408 is a good example of this. The original ending was cut from the US version because it was 'too much of a downer', and replaced by an ending in which the protagnist survives.

[Kabooooom]

It's curious to me how "Hollywood" is now synonymous with happy endings.

Because the tragedy, as a genre, is largely dead in film since most people tend to NOT enjoy paying out the ass for a movie only to feel bummed out at the end. At least in a mainstream sense. Which is a shame, as it is my favorite literary genre. I literally haven't seen a movie that didn't have some sort of forced happy ending for a loong time. Not saying there aren't any, but they are certainly outnumbered, and when they DO come out in theaters they are typically praised by critics but majorly unpopular with the general public. And all too often, tailoring a happy ending to a movie can be thematically jarring. The last film I saw that ended in a tragic fashion was probably In Bruges. And that was mostly a dark comedy.

[Kabooooom]

I actually preferred a ending like that as I, think it makes sense. The terms used for the bars in ME2 or Purgatory for ME3 would actually make sense. I have head canon that too and that would be something interesting just watching Shepard journey. I'm not morbid I like those type of stories. In away, he was drifting between life and death since in away he wanted these things too happen. He was remembering his or her own life and memories. That would make sense actually, since in, ME2 they have the bar named the Afterlife. However, since he was drifting between life and death we get the Citadel for purgatory in ME3. The ending is him choosing to go back to his own life or go to heaven...

Yeah, it fits most of the story which is why I like it for a head canon . I said in another thread that the idea reminds me of the ending to Lost. Which I hated, but not because the idea was bad (it was actually good) but because it was clear that they abandoned a prior plot and came up with that ending at the 11th hour. Much like Mass Effect, actually. The delivery was terrible in that show, but I was fine with the idea itself. However, going back to the idea that the public hates tragic endings - most people railed against the ending to Lost solely because it was sad.

[Ryriena]

Yeah, it fits most of the story which is why I like it for a head canon . I said in another thread that the idea reminds me of the ending to Lost. Which I hated, but not because the idea was bad (it was actually good) but because it was clear that they abandoned a prior plot and came up with that ending at the 11th hour. Much like Mass Effect, actually. The delivery was terrible in that show, but I was fine with the idea itself. However, going back to the idea that the public hates tragic endings - most people railed against the ending to Lost solely because it was sad.

Actually, I railed against the ending of lost because it was poorly done. However, I do like the idea we just need a better story idea. I'm thinking he's dreaming this in a satis pod and wakes up in the pod with only his memories in ME3 and finds the people he met all have died. He/she will learn a new cycle has began and that they found Liara time capsule to explain to her/him what happened. They used the Stais pods as away to preserve some of the people. Sadly she/he learns that most of the pods have turned off due to power lose. You find where your crew was put into stais and find some of them have survived the power drain.

[KaiserShep]

I remember saying on thefuselage.com that Lost was doomed to go nowhere. I was only half expecting to be correct.

[Kabooooom]

I remember saying on thefuselage.com that Lost was doomed to go nowhere. I was only half expecting to be correct.

They made it up as they went along and it suffered because of that. Several parallels can be made between how that was handled and Mass Effect. If they had settled on the idea of a purgatory/afterlife setting and/or ending from the very beginning, instead of toying with it and then diverging from it into weird time travel subplots, it would have been fine I think.

[KaiserShep]

Because the tragedy, as a genre, is largely dead in film since most people tend to NOT enjoy paying out the ass for a movie only to feel bummed out at the end. At least in a mainstream sense. Which is a shame, as it is my favorite literary genre. I literally haven't seen a movie that didn't have some sort of forced happy ending for a loong time. Not saying there aren't any, but they are certainly outnumbered, and when they DO come out in theaters they are typically praised by critics but majorly unpopular with the general public. And all too often, tailoring a happy ending to a movie can be thematically jarring. The last film I saw that ended in a tragic fashion was probably In Bruges. And that was mostly a dark comedy.

 

I can't help but feel that tragedy as a genre has always been outnumbered in film and television, but to say that it's largely dead strikes me as inaccurate. Breaking Bad is a perfect example of how to create a tragic ending that fits while being largely praised by both critics and its audience. Admittedly, I'm not familiar with enough films across all genres to draw up lots of examples, but if you haven't seen a movie that didn't have some sort of forced happy ending, I question whether or not you've watched a lot of movies made in the past decade.

[FlyingSquirrel]

The Stargazer scene made some sense when paired with all versions of the original endings in which it was implied that galactic civilization had collapsed. It doesn't make any sense at all when paired with the Extended Cut endings (except Refuse), and is best ignored as a non-canon tribute to space exploration.

 

I saw it as a wink at the fact that we all played Mass Effect a little differently, though that runs into a similar problem - the differences between playthroughs *are* big enough that they wouldn't be lost or obscured over time. To name an easy example, the fleets faced down the Reapers at Earth with the assistance of either the quarians, the geth, or both. With electronic record-keeping, something as simple as which species were there for the final battle would not just be lost or forgotten. Maybe not everyone would have all the facts at the tips of their tongues (maybe the stargazer cut his Galactic History class that day), but they'd still be able to look them up somewhere. Even details like individual mission reports would probably still be in an archive somewhere that military historians could study.

 

That's not to say absolutely *everything* would be preserved, unless the Normandy's security systems and/or people's omnitools are in some sort of constant "record and archive" mode, but all of Shepard's "big decisions" would probably be known facts unless someone actively covered up details.

[FlyingSquirrel]

It makes sense for something an archaeologist would do.

 

Not only that, but an information broker too. If there's anyone in the crew who knows how to store information in a way that won't easily be detected but set it up so that there's a good chance someone will dig it up in the far-future, it's Liara. The one thing that might have improved it would have been to specify whether or not she was working with any of the existing governments and military organizations. I like the idea of the current cycle trying to give their successors a leg up for the next round if they lose, but I doubt Liara is the only person in the galaxy to have thought of this.

[KaiserShep]

Not only that, but an information broker too. If there's anyone in the crew who knows how to store information in a way that won't easily be detected but set it up so that there's a good chance someone will dig it up in the far-future, it's Liara. The one thing that might have improved it would have been to specify whether or not she was working with any of the existing governments and military organizations. I like the idea of the current cycle trying to give their successors a leg up for the next round if they lose, but I doubt Liara is the only person in the galaxy to have thought of this.

 

I guess the real difference is that Liara is one of very few people in the galaxy that's really privy to the information necessary, particularly the plans for the Crucible.

[von uber]

In bruges is a great film.

[Mordokai]

You know, if we ever find the way to turn all the snarking about Liara, all the hate thrown into her direction and all the immature pettiness that we've been witness to so far into some sort of renewable energy, energy shortage problems will be the thing of the past for pretty much ever. Hell, this thread alone would probably be enough to power a small power plant.

[KaiserShep]

You know, if we ever find the way to turn all the snarking about Liara, all the hate thrown into her direction and all the immature pettiness that we've been witness to so far into some sort of renewable energy, energy shortage problems will be the thing of the past for pretty much ever. Hell, this thread alone would probably be enough to power a small power plant.

 

That's even better than the generator that uses a cat and a piece of buttered toast to harness perpetual motion energy.

[Sir DeLoria]

You know, if we ever find the way to turn all the snarking about Liara, all the hate thrown into her direction and all the immature pettiness that we've been witness to so far into some sort of renewable energy, energy shortage problems will be the thing of the past for pretty much ever. Hell, this thread alone would probably be enough to power a small power plant.

I find it funny how some Liaramancers disregard even the slightest criticism of their waifu as 'immature' or 'hate', no matter how well or badly written, no matter how intense. But disliking and criticizing other characters is totally fine