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[thepimpto]

I was reading through a topic speculating Fen'Harel as a possible Big Bad and as I voiced my skepticism of that given the Great Betrayal is essentially him creating the Veil and most likely wouldn't want it breached, I recalled some party banter between, I believe, Merril and Sebastian, where one ponders whether their different religions are just two different interpretations of the same story. This got me pondering the religious ramifications of DA:I.

 

There is a Breach into the fade and demons are pouring out. If spirits can enter the mortal realm can mortals physically enter the fade? And, if so, march on to the Golden/Black City. Could we technically recreate the original sin according to the Andrastian beliefs? 

 

If mortals, sans Dwarves, enter the fade through dreams and the Old Gods are slumbering beneath the earth, what effect if the Fade pouring into our realm going to have on them, if any? Think about Darkspawn emissaries for a second, are there any Darkspawn abominations? If so, could the Architect be/have been one and tried to end the Old Gods' Call to win back the Maker's favor? 

 

Now on the Dalish side of things. Fen'Harel tricked their Gods and the Forgotten Ones and locked them away. Would the Dalish view the Breach as their Gods returning to them like they have been waiting for? 

 

The Cult of Andraste from DA:O and the Imperial Chantry shows that a religion can change, so I am wondering do you think DA:I could have a huge impact on the future of Chantry and Dalish lore in the series? With post-completion dlc, I doubt the Inquisitor will be a martyr, though the possibility is still there, could s/he be seen, whether or not the player acknowledges it in game, as a "prophet" later in the series?

 

What are your thoughts on the possible religious ramifications of DA:I?

[Just My Moniker]

 

There is a Breach into the fade and demons are pouring out. If spirits can enter the mortal realm can mortals physically enter the fade? And, if so, march on to the Golden/Black City. Could we technically recreate the original sin according to the Andrastian beliefs? 

In the new trailer Cassandra tells the inquisitor that he "walked out of the Fade" so I guess that that is possible.

 

 

 

Now on the Dalish side of things. Fen'Harel tricked their Gods and the Forgotten Ones and locked them away. Would the Dalish view the Breach as their Gods returning to them like they have been waiting for? 

A very interesting theory. Although that would certainly put the Dalish at odds with the inquisition.

[thepimpto]

I suppose. Their gods were trapped in the heavens which is not necessarily the Beyond. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I seriously doubt the Dalish would see the prospect of demons pouring out of the Veil as a good thing. They already fear the denizens of the fade and unless sometihng changes from what we know, I don't think they'd see any reason to think their gods returning would have anything to do with it.

[thepimpto]

I seriously doubt the Dalish would see the prospect of demons pouring out of the Veil as a good thing. They already fear the denizens of the fade and unless sometihng changes from what we know, I don't think they'd see any reason to think their gods returning would have anything to do with it.

 

I don't think the Dalish fear spirits as Zathrian dealt with the Lady of the Forest, though she wasn't a Fade spirit, and both Marethari and Merrill both dealt with Audacity. And there is also some party banter between Anders and Merrill about the subject. 

[Maria Caliban]

I don't think the Dalish fear spirits as Zathrian dealt with the Lady of the Forest, though she wasn't a Fade spirit, and both Marethari and Merrill both dealt with Audacity. And there is also some party banter between Anders and Merrill about the subject.

And Merrill got kicked out of her home for dealing with Audacity.

[thepimpto]

And Merrill got kicked out of her home for dealing with Audacity.

 

Merrill left because she wanted to fix the tainted Eluvian. Her clan exiled her because Marethari became an abomination to protect Merrill and had to be killed. It wasn't because she made a deal with a demon, but rather because her Keeper made a poor choice.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Marethari only dealt with Audacity because Merrill refused to stop.

[NoForgiveness]

 

If mortals, sans Dwarves, enter the fade through dreams and the Old Gods are slumbering beneath the earth, what effect if the Fade pouring into our realm going to have on them, if any? Think about Darkspawn emissaries for a second, are there any Darkspawn abominations? If so, could the Architect be/have been one and tried to end the Old Gods' Call to win back the Maker's favor? 

 

 

 

I just want to point out that darkspawn  emissaries don't draw magic from the fade and use mana, their magic comes from the corruption. So there is no real threat of them becoming abominations. The original magisters(Cory and friends) however are really just ghouls so they still have magic from the fade. But we have no way of knowing if the architect is one or not, I'm inclined to believe not.

[Tevinter Soldier]

From what understand, reaching the black/gold city is something entirely different to entering the fade.

When you enter the fade no matter where you are or how much you move the black city ALWAYS appears to be the same distance away.

For this reason I cannot see the veil being torn making it easier to reach the black city, the veil separates the physical realm from the fade. Not the fade from the black city

Remember mages can physical enter the fade through a simple spell but reaching the black city took mass murder a truck load of lyrium and the most powerful of Magister Lords.

The city and the fade it would appear are two different realms, separated by something far more resistant then the veil.

[Mistic]

Remember mages can physical enter the fade through a simple spell but reaching the black city took mass murder a truck load of lyrium and the most powerful of Magister Lords.

 

Not really, mages can't enter the Fade physically. Every Fade level we encountered in the games was a dream sequence.

 

World of Thedas, "The Limits of Magic":

When a mind enters the Fade, the body remains behind. Physical objects cannot enter or exit the Fade. Only once has this barrier been broken -in ancient Tevinter. The spell the magisters used to enter the Fade physically recquired two thirds of the lyrium in the Imperium, as well as the blood of several hundred slaves.

 

That's why the Inquisitor walking out of the Fade is major news. It would be as if someone appeared before you after travelling faster than light.

 

However, I agree that entering the Black City must be trickier than just breaking the barrier. It seems that dreamers don't reach the city in their dreams either.

[Tevinter Soldier]

Really? I thought the blood mage thing with Isolde was us physical going in? Oh well you learn something new every day.

[Wolfen09]

Well, yeah it is major news and not major news (in terms of physically going to the fade, not being the only one alive, that's big)....  If you think about it, a breach this large has never been seen before...  Who's to say that people haven't physically been sucked into the fade during that time, and our inquisitor is so bad ass that he is the only one who found his way back outside....

[Augustei]

Unless our Inquisitor has figured out how to fly I dont see how he can get all the way up there, If it were so easy to enter the Black City once your in the fade, most mages would have done it already...From what we know only Cory and his fellow magisters have acomplished this so far

[Wolfen09]

well, how the hell else would he have gotten up there?  hes the inquisitor damnit, he better damn well be able to fly

[thepimpto]

From what understand, reaching the black/gold city is something entirely different to entering the fade.

When you enter the fade no matter where you are or how much you move the black city ALWAYS appears to be the same distance away.

For this reason I cannot see the veil being torn making it easier to reach the black city, the veil separates the physical realm from the fade. Not the fade from the black city

Remember mages can physical enter the fade through a simple spell but reaching the black city took mass murder a truck load of lyrium and the most powerful of Magister Lords.

The city and the fade it would appear are two different realms, separated by something far more resistant then the veil.

 

Interesting. Tamlen saw a city through the tainted Eluvian, and Morrigan said they were a doorway to a place beyond the Fade. Coincidence? Probably. 

[myahele]

The breach seems to be some how self sustained and growing.

It was speculated in another thread that the breach due to: the mountain having a large lyrium deposit + thousands of people that can be sacrificed.

High concentration of lyrium+ thousands of sacrifice+???= breach

[Walrider]

Interesting. Tamlen saw a city through the tainted Eluvian, and Morrigan said they were a doorway to a place beyond the Fade. Coincidence? Probably. 

 

Sure, but seeing the Black City and entering it are two different things. I'm pretty certain the black mass that was always visible on the Fade's horizon in DAO was the Black City.

[Mistic]

Interesting. Tamlen saw a city through the tainted Eluvian, and Morrigan said they were a doorway to a place beyond the Fade. Coincidence? Probably. 

 

Who knows. The mirror in the Dalish Origin had to be connected to a tainted place for it to get the darkspawn corruption. Thanks to TME we know how Eluvians works as a network, so maybe the thing Tamlen saw was a Dwarven thaig?

 

As for Morrigan, she may be talking about the Eluvian network itself.

Spoiler

According to TME, travel through the Eluvians is not immediate. You have to walk through a strange "world" that is beautiful for the elves, but sickening for humans. The characters in the novel actually wonder if the ancient elves managed to create a tiny little world between the eluvians, a world that is neither the real world nor the Fade.