Dumat - ?
Zazikel - Corin
Toth - ?
Andoral - Garahel
Urthemiel - Alistair/Loghain/Warden
Razikale - none yet
Lusacan - none yet
Would be nice to know who killed Toth and Dumat,you would think people would remember who saved the world lol.
Who killed the Archdemons?
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Posté 30 avril 2014 - 08:01
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As far as I know the only information you have is that Dumat was slain by the wardens. It never mentions one dying in the process. Personally, I agree with the theory that Flemeth may be Dumat via the ritual we learn about, (depending on your playthrough I supposed) so there is a possibility that we could find out this one in the future.
As for Toth, I really have no idea 
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Posté 30 avril 2014 - 09:23
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As far as I know the only information you have is that Dumat was slain by the wardens. It never mentions one dying in the process. Personally, I agree with the theory that Flemeth may be Dumat via the ritual we learn about, (depending on your playthrough I supposed) so there is a possibility that we could find out this one in the future.
As for Toth, I really have no idea
Toth died in the same manner as Dumat, as you noted. And like the slayer of Dumat, it doesn't name a specific warden. I remember reading the codex about the dagger in Origins called 'Thorn of the Dead Gods" (IIRC) and that it was fashioned from from the sword that felled Toth, as it had broken into three pieces. My info may not be precise, but I remember it being along those lines. For some reason, when I saw the AD's name "Toth", I recalled that dagger when I got it in Orzammar.
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Posté 30 avril 2014 - 09:27
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As far as I know the only information you have is that Dumat was slain by the wardens. It never mentions one dying in the process. Personally, I agree with the theory that Flemeth may be Dumat via the ritual we learn about, (depending on your playthrough I supposed) so there is a possibility that we could find out this one in the future.
As for Toth, I really have no idea
From what I recall of the lore, I don't think any of the original Grey Wardens survived the final battle with Dumat. Their notes on the Joining process were found afterwards and they continued that way. So who landed the death blow there may be moot.
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Posté 30 avril 2014 - 09:46
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From what I recall of the lore, I don't think any of the original Grey Wardens survived the final battle with Dumat. Their notes on the Joining process were found afterwards and they continued that way. So who landed the death blow there may be moot.
No, the other GWs did survive as that gave rise to the authority of the "Right of Conscription".
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Posté 30 avril 2014 - 09:56
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No, the other GWs did survive as that gave rise to the authority of the "Right of Conscription".
There were four original Wardens, all of which died killing Dumat. By the time they did that, they had already amassed a large following of fellow warriors and mages who officially founded the Grey Wardens in their honor after Dumat fell.
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Posté 30 avril 2014 - 10:17
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Toth died in the same manner as Dumat, as you noted. And like the slayer of Dumat, it doesn't name a specific warden. I remember reading the codex about the dagger in Origins called 'Thorn of the Dead Gods" (IIRC) and that it was fashioned from from the sword that felled Toth, as it had broken into three pieces. My info may not be precise, but I remember it being along those lines. For some reason, when I saw the AD's name "Toth", I recalled that dagger when I got it in Orzammar.
Ah yes.... forgot about that. Pretty sad considering I've used one of the "Thorns" in many playthroughs.
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Posté 30 avril 2014 - 10:23
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There were four original Wardens, all of which died killing Dumat. By the time they did that, they had already amassed a large following of fellow warriors and mages who officially founded the Grey Wardens in their honor after Dumat fell.
Where does it say that and that there were four?
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Posté 30 avril 2014 - 10:53
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Where does it say that and that there were four?
I think it was in a conversation with Riordan. I'm trying to remember if that's were I heard it or if it was a codex entry... I'm leaning towards Riordan though.
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Posté 30 avril 2014 - 11:34
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I think it was in a conversation with Riordan. I'm trying to remember if that's were I heard it or if it was a codex entry... I'm leaning towards Riordan though.
The DA Wiki is a very reliable place for everything Dragon Age. So, I found this about the Grey Wardens during the First Blight.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 06:40
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There is someplace where the Grey Wardens bury those who killed the Archdemons,in the epilogue slideshow it says your Warden will be buried next to the 4 that killed the previous Archdemons.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 06:52
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I think it was in a conversation with Riordan. I'm trying to remember if that's were I heard it or if it was a codex entry... I'm leaning towards Riordan though.
Riordan does talk about that, yes, but not much more than that the original Wardens died. Some of the info on the Wiki looks like it comes from the novels, other bits from the PnP RPG.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 07:25
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Perhaps it was the Tevinter archon who slayed Toth?
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Posté 02 mai 2014 - 08:03
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I wonder how many of those first wardens were Tevinter magisters, trying to fix their mess. Who else would come up with something like the Joining? Certainly not any typical soldier. They'd have to be privy to blood magic and how the corruption had an effect on the old gods.
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Posté 12 mai 2014 - 09:53
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Riordan does talk about that, yes, but not much more than that the original Wardens died. Some of the info on the Wiki looks like it comes from the novels, other bits from the PnP RPG.
Finally found where he talks about it:
http://www.youtube.c...HE_JKmWBXA#t=94
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Posté 13 mai 2014 - 03:46
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The names of all the Wardens who died killing archdemons are known to the Grey Wardens, as it said that they all are buried in crypts housed at Weisshaupt Fortress. Some of them just haven't been revealed to the players yet.
If you go the heroic sacrifice route in DAO you get this in your epilogue:
“(Warden's Name) remains were transported with a full honor guard to the Grey Warden fortress of Weisshaupt in the Anderfels. There they were installed in the tomb alongside those of the four others who have made that same sacrifice to defeat a Blight.”
On that note, if the series ever takes the players to Weisshaupt I hope we get to see their tomb. Considering that these are the greatest heroes in the history of the order, I would imagine it must be fairly elabortate. Maybe something like Napoleon's tomb.
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Posté 13 mai 2014 - 04:22
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It's just a tomb. I don't see what's interesting about that.
I'm glad that a Dwarf Warden doesn't go there. Back to the Stone in Orzammar.
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Posté 13 mai 2014 - 04:35
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It's just a tomb. I don't see what's interesting about that.
The Grey Warden crypt would be just a tomb in the same way that the Grand Cathedral of Val Royeux is just a church, Weisshaupt is just a fort, or the Emerald Graves are just a forest.
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Posté 13 mai 2014 - 04:39
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The Grey Warden crypt would be just a tomb in the same way that the Grand Cathedral of Val Royeux is just a church, Weisshaupt is just a fort, or the Emerald Graves are just a forest.
And like the Sacred Ashes is just a burnt woman in a jug.
Anyways, I hope we get the hell away from Wardens. It was a good intro to Thedas, but I wish to never see it again. There are thousands of potential sights and stories to see. I hope DAI just closes some loose ends about them, and leaves it at that. At least until another Age, and another Blight.
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Posté 13 mai 2014 - 04:41
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It's just a tomb. I don't see what's interesting about that.
I'm glad that a Dwarf Warden doesn't go there. Back to the Stone in Orzammar.
Well, my Aeducan seemed to get both tombs. One at Weisshaupt, one at Orzammar. I dunno how that worked out.
Each got half the corpse? 
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Posté 13 mai 2014 - 04:44
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Well, my Aeducan seemed to get both tombs. One at Weisshaupt, one at Orzammar. I dunno how that worked out.
Each got half the corpse?
That could be possible.
Both Spain and the Dominican Republic both have tombs that supposedly contain the remains of Christopher Columbus.
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Posté 13 mai 2014 - 06:22
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It's just a tomb. I don't see what's interesting about that.
Some people like history.
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Posté 13 mai 2014 - 04:46
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I suspect that may be an oversight on Bioware's part. Because the first Grey Wardens could not have fought at the Battle of the Silent Plains without being wqell over 100 years old.
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Posté 13 mai 2014 - 10:09
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Some people like history.
So do I. I watch Ken Burns documentaries 24/7. 
I don't give a **** about the Wardens though.
I've also never been to a funeral in my life. I guess I just never appreciated the ceremony surrounding death.
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Posté 13 mai 2014 - 10:10
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I suspect that may be an oversight on Bioware's part. Because the first Grey Wardens could not have fought at the Battle of the Silent Plains without being wqell over 100 years old.
Riordan doesn't give an elaborate depiction of that battle either in that one on one in game chat. I suspect that the devs couldn't just add in game NPC discussions of much of tales of the past as that would just be cost prohibitive to the development of the game, hence why they added very detailed codices. The codex entry, "The First Blight Chapter 4" tells it differently than Riordan's rather laconic take of what happened at the battle that ended in the slaying of Dumat. Wardens were gathered over that period of time, not that there were a set number of GWs that just lived some unnatural lifespan to make it to that battle. In fact, I'd recommend reading all four entries of The First Blight.
