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[Exaltation]

If my Warden slept with Morrigan but didn't do Dark Ritual she still have a child,what will she do with him?
Will she "dispose" of him since he won't have Urthemiel's soul?
Use him for experimenting or extending her life span like Flemeth?,i can't imagine her doing anything good with him lol.

[TheEgoRaptor]

I was still under the assumption that the child did have Urthemiel's soul? Why is that not the case?

 

Though if the child does appear, it wont be in a very big role as it was completely optional. 

[SurelyForth]

I was still under the assumption that the child did have Urthemiel's soul? Why is that not the case?

 

Though if the child does appear, it wont be in a very big role as it was completely optional. 

 

No DR, no archdemon soul. Otherwise, Male Wardens who romanced her wouldn't die or need to sacrifice Loghain/Alistair in the event they sent her packing.

 

And the kid is probably with her in Eluvian world. I can't see her abandoning it. 

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

If my Warden slept with Morrigan but didn't do Dark Ritual she still have a child,what will she do with him?
Will she "dispose" of him since he won't have Urthemiel's soul?
Use him for experimenting or extending her life span like Flemeth?,i can't imagine her doing anything good with him lol.

 

I think the child you have with Morrigan without the DR will be retcon'd, and as it should be

 

Otherwise the game will have 2 different children for Morrigan, one with an old god soul, and other a random brat with no impact on the story whatsoever. 

 

Just my opinion anyway.

[Mes]

The God child is the Inquisitor!!!11!1!!!!

 

No in all seriousness, this is why I am not keen on returning characters... particularly ones that would in an ideal world have to account for more than one decision in previous games.

 

And Alistair? In one playthrough of mine he was King through to DA2, in another (very painful) playthrough where I didn't make him King, I found him drunk out of his mind in a corner of the pub in DA2!! I know he's returning for Inquisition. Will there be two versions of him? Or more likely a "canon" version of him still being King? Does that mean next time I see him at the pub in DA2 I won't have to worry so much because I know eventually his drunken a$$ will still become King?

 

I think Morrigan will either have a cameo so brief that she won't even mention the child, or they will have one "canon" outcome that we'll just have to accept regardless of our previous choices.

[Thumb Fu]

Either way the child now belongs the David Gaider, and he can be oh so cruel when he wants to be. The dark ritual was one of the main big decisions you needed to make in DA:O but who is to say what will come of it, either way Morrigan might be able to shed some light on the question come Inquisition.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Morrigan told my Warden in Witch Hunt that his kid was fine. I guess she could have been lying, but I'm assuming until we hear otherwise that she chooses to raise the non-Old God Baby.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

The God child is the Inquisitor!!!11!1!!!!

 

No in all seriousness, this is why I am not keen on returning characters... particularly ones that would in an ideal world have to account for more than one decision in previous games.

 

And Alistair? In one playthrough of mine he was King through to DA2, in another (very painful) playthrough where I didn't make him King, I found him drunk out of his mind in a corner of the pub in DA2!! I know he's returning for Inquisition. Will there be two versions of him? Or more likely a "canon" version of him still being King? Does that mean next time I see him at the pub in DA2 I won't have to worry so much because I know eventually his drunken a$$ will still become King?

 

I think Morrigan will either have a cameo so brief that she won't even mention the child, or they will have one "canon" outcome that we'll just have to accept regardless of our previous choices.

 

OMG I knew it, I knew it all along OMG LOL ROTFL ABCDEFG

 

Now with that out of the way,

 

BIoware has said more times than I could count (which, in my case is more than 4) that ALL of our choices will be 'respected', so if you made Alistair the King of Fereldan, then he will appear as one, however if for some odd reason you made Anora the sole ruler and Alistair becomes a pathetic drunk, then he'd be so in your DA:I, that much we have been promised.

 

As for Morrigan's OGB, I think it was Gaider who said that the child's existence depends upon your actions. and if the OGB does exist in your DA:I play through then it would have more than a passing reference, So, here's hoping. 

[Maria Caliban]

I think the child you have with Morrigan without the DR will be retcon'd, and as it should be
 
Otherwise the game will have 2 different children for Morrigan, one with an old god soul, and other a random brat with no impact on the story whatsoever. 
 
Just my opinion anyway.

I don't see any reason for Morrigan to tell the Inquisitor that she has a child, that the father is Loghian, Alistair, or the Warden, and certainly not that it's walking around with the soul of an archdemon.

[Chewin]

Every time somebody creates a DGB related thread, the writers interest in resolving it fades more and more.

 

In all seriousness though, we don't know and we (possibly) won't know until we play Inquisition.

[EmissaryofLies]

You'll see him/her every other weekend. That is if you follow through with child support.

 

Watch out for Morrigan, she's not one to pull any punches. Expect to be eating tv dinners and living out of a shoe box for the next eighteen years. Or next few games as it pertains. 

[Clockwork_Wings]

The dialog is completely different.  Morrigan is surprised that the warden even knows he has a son, and while she's disappointed he's not the child she wanted, she definitely didn't abandon him and still took my warden through the mirror.

 

Think I'm more curious about the not-ritual baby than the ritual one.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

He and the Warden have already been eaten by Morrigan. Not much food where they were.

[Wolfen09]

so even in thedas we cant escape child support

[MisterJB]

 

I'm horrible.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

I don't see any reason for Morrigan to tell the Inquisitor that she has a child, that the father is Loghian, Alistair, or the Warden, and certainly not that it's walking around with the soul of an archdemon.

 

No, but it's been said that the OGB will have a noticeable impact on the story (if he exists, that is), but the OP was concerned whether Morrigan will have a child if a Male PC romanced her but did not do the DR. 

 

It just seems a lot of extra work just to show some kid named Alfie whose special power is that he can do a very good 360 flip, I personally feel that if DR was not done than Morrigan should have no child at all, to avoid needless complications.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Call bioware and...

[Spectre slayer]

If my Warden slept with Morrigan but didn't do Dark Ritual she still have a child,what will she do with him?Will she "dispose" of him since he won't have Urthemiel's soul?Use him for experimenting or extending her life span like Flemeth?,i can't imagine her doing anything good with him lol.

 

If you had either child, they will come up in DAI and have a some sort of involvement beyond them being somewhere hidden away,

David Gaider
If Morrigan had a child, then any involvement of Morrigan in the plot would need to take that child into account.

And, yes, that would have to be more than an off-hand mention by her of having a child stowed away in some extra-dimensional cupboard.

Not sure why some people expect the worst with Morrigan or think she would dispose or do something with her child.

I was still under the assumption that the child did have Urthemiel's soul? Why is that not the case?
 
Though if the child does appear, it wont be in a very big role as it was completely optional.

 

Definitely not the case, the ultimate sacrifice and the whole the warden who takes the final blow will die thing should've made this clear, not to mention they've been pretty vocal about the fact that if you refused the dr someone will have to die and the archdemons soul gets destroyed.

David Gaider
May I put this to rest?

If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done.

Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain.

If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?


I'm not sure where the "but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve..." comes from.

Speculation on the part of the article writer, perhaps? Regardless, if the player refused the Dark Ritual then it was refused.

There is no Old God Baby



The Warden of DAO is dead, because why would someone who's importing no save (and is possibly a brand new player) care about their Warden still being alive and involved in the plot?

There is no OGB, because why would that person care about Morrigan having a child from some game they possibly never even played?

If you mean the so-called "Old God Baby" will exist, regardless of whether the player took the Dark Ritual decision in DAO or not-- I can categorically say that this assumption is incorrect.

 

I think the child you have with Morrigan without the DR will be retcon'd, and as it should be
 
Otherwise the game will have 2 different children for Morrigan, one with an old god soul, and other a random brat with no impact on the story whatsoever. 
 
Just my opinion anyway.

Err no there's no chance of that happening and it would go against player agency and disregard our choice on the matter of whether or not you did the ritual, or disregard your romanced and slept with her in DAO which produces a child. They've already spoken about both children an said that if she had a child it will be taken into account in her story though the ogb will likely have a little more content it doesn't change the fact there are 2 children whose existence is tied to our choices.

David Gaider

"While I won't discuss how the Dark Ritual decision will affect future games, I can say (and have said) that the choice won't be ignored-- it's pretty fundamental.

So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed... and in only the latter case will that son be the so-called OGB.

Whether how the Dark Ritual affects future games is considered sufficient is a different matter completely. Considering that some people have expressed that the existence of the OGB should be the entire plot around which such a game revolves, it's perhaps unlikely.

That kind of expectation can't be helped. Regardless, the choice will neither be ignored nor made into a footnote".

http://social.biowar...ndex/16842817/4

So no they shouldn't recton the children nor will they ever do so, what's next? Some people also want the ogb and dr to be canon and happen no matter what but that's not going to happen either because they've already told us what their canon is.

It seems people are really being unreasonable about the fact there's 2 children, that the dr isn't canon, and think or expect bioware to cater to them and disregard player agency in something that's pretty important and has a minor variation nor should they attempt to do so nor are they considering it.

[wcholcombe]

Not really concerned. Morrigan is a fairly private person, I wouldn't expect her to just reveal she has a kid to someone she barely knows.  Remember Morrigan is not a party member. She is a character you meet in game who serves Celene.  You will encounter her, but that doesn't mean you will get to know her well or even have in depth conversations with her.  She may play a role similar to Anora or even Teagan from DAO.

 

OGB is probably wherever she took him in the eluvian and I really don't expect to play a part in DAI at all.  Hopefully a future part to play, but not in DAI.

 

As for the non OGB, Morrigan could have given it to someone else to raise or if it was a girl she may have given it to Flemeth to raise.  I am pretty convinced from the lore and comics that Flemeth has multiple daughters and the part about her taking them over to maintain her immortality is hogwash.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Err no there's no chance of that happening and it would go against player agency and disregard our choice on the matter of whether or not you did the ritual, or disregard your romanced and slept with her in DAO which produces a child. They've already spoken about both children an said that if she had a child it will be taken into account in her story though the ogb will likely have a little more content it doesn't change the fact there are 2 children whose existence is tied to our choices.
 

 

Really have to give BIoware credit for going the extra mile, but even if a non OG soul baby exists, I think he will be fairly irrelevant, because again, who wants to see how good Alfie's kickflip is.

[Sifr]

 
So no they shouldn't recton the children nor will they ever do so, what's next? Some people also want the ogb and dr to be canon and happen no matter what but that's not going to happen either because they've already told us what their canon is.

It seems people are really being unreasonable about the fact there's 2 children, that the dr isn't canon, and think or expect bioware to cater to them and disregard player agency in something that's pretty important and has a minor variation nor should they attempt to do so nor are they considering it.

 

Except that the OGB subplot, while a MacGuffin to allow our Warden to survive, nonetheless is an important plot thread that has been woven throughout the game. It's entire Morrigan's motivation after all for practically everything she does within the game.

 

If she wasn't joining the Warden to become pregnant with the OGB, do you really think she'd have joined up and stuck with you, even if she spends most of the game disapproving of your decisions? Course she wouldn't!

 

Given that we have various companions also noticing and commenting on her having an ulterior motive, as well as the father of the OGB being one of three prospective Wardens, I'd say you can't throw away the plot thread or dismiss it, regardless of whether the DR is refused or not.

 

I'm not saying that the OGB has to be canon, but I'd prefer it if they acknowledged that it's just as important as a canon where it doesn't happen. Even if they do nothing with it (and that'd be fine), it'd be nice to know that they've taken into account this plot thread they've set up.

[wcholcombe]

Except that the OGB subplot, while a MacGuffin to allow our Warden to survive, nonetheless is an important plot thread that has been woven throughout the game. It's entire Morrigan's motivation after all for practically everything she does within the game.

 

If she wasn't joining the Warden to become pregnant with the OGB, do you really think she'd have joined up and stuck with you, even if she spends most of the game disapproving of your decisions? Course she wouldn't!

 

Given that we have various companions also noticing and commenting on her having an ulterior motive, as well as the father of the OGB being one of three prospective Wardens, I'd say you can't throw away the plot thread or dismiss it, regardless of whether the DR is refused or not.

 

I'm not saying that the OGB has to be canon, but I'd prefer it if they acknowledged that it's just as important as a canon where it doesn't happen. Even if they do nothing with it (and that'd be fine), it'd be nice to know that they've taken into account this plot thread they've set up.

And gaider has said it would be given due attention. At the same time he says it won't be the focus of an entire future game. It will be a sideplot.

[AresKeith]

Hugh Jackman is that you?

[fhs33721]

your child as well as the OGB died of scarlet fever. Small children often died due to it in medieval times. A tradegy really, but you Morrigan couldn't do much about it without antibiotics.

[Wolfen09]

so a baby who is technically a god and more than likely magical died from a common illness in a fantasy world....  worst plot line ever