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so a baby who is technically a god and more than likely magical died from a common illness in a fantasy world....  worst plot line ever

What? The boy has the soul of a god not the immune system of a god and bacteria are far to small to effectively aim a magic fireball at the. Also the healh care system behind the eluvian was awful. It is a very realistic and probable plotline and was basically already confirmed to be in game yesterday.

Or maybe I'm just kidding. We will probably never know which of the two it is.


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And gaider has said it would be given due attention. At the same time he says it won't be the focus of an entire future game. It will be a sideplot.

 

Aye, I know that they're addressing it, I was saying that I'd prefer (and hope) that either the OGB (and Non-God-Baby) are given enough attention in their subplot, instead of being relegated to something to fill in the blanks about later.

 

Knowing Bioware, I know that's a little unwarranted of a fear, but still... I suspect it boils down to the same basic question, what they are they planning to do with that lingering plot-thread? Or what can they do with that plot thread that will satisfy the fans?



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I'm still very curious as to how exactly they'll handle the major DAO plot point that is Morrigan's baby, DR or not, since his conception was entirely optional.



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I'm still very curious as to how exactly they'll handle the major DAO plot point that is Morrigan's baby, DR or not, since his conception was entirely optional.

As a sideplot in some future game.  It won't be some huge world changing event..unless they come up with a way to give Morrigan a OGB outside of DAO.

 

It will be referenced and you may meet the character and they may have some small affect on the game that won't be missed if you didn't OGB it.

 

As for the human baby....I would anticipate you just meet them at some point.  My preference would be you meet them as prodigy of Flemeths but who knows.



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Except that the OGB subplot, while a MacGuffin to allow our Warden to survive, nonetheless is an important plot thread that has been woven throughout the game. It's entire Morrigan's motivation after all for practically everything she does within the game.

If she wasn't joining the Warden to become pregnant with the OGB, do you really think she'd have joined up and stuck with you, even if she spends most of the game disapproving of your decisions? Course she wouldn't!

Given that we have various companions also noticing and commenting on her having an ulterior motive, as well as the father of the OGB being one of three prospective Wardens, I'd say you can't throw away the plot thread or dismiss it, regardless of whether the DR is refused or not.

I'm not saying that the OGB has to be canon, but I'd prefer it if they acknowledged that it's just as important as a canon where it doesn't happen. Even if they do nothing with it (and that'd be fine), it'd be nice to know that they've taken into account this plot thread they've set up.


I didn't say it was unimportant, or they shouldn't address it in fact I said the opposite in the other thread about pretty much the samething and said they should address all of this in DAI through Morrigan though it probably won't be easy to get answers from her.

My point is that our decisions are to important to recton or disregard them, and that a group of people think that bioware needs to cater just to them, that they think bioware should make the ogb canon, ignore that we can refuse the ritual and the fact we can have another child due to this, ignore the fact we can have no children, should play as him and have the main plot around just him regardless of what anyone else did.

That would be a bad idea and make a lot of people angry, I agree with you that both children should get content but the ogb is is likely to have more content and be slightly more important due to it being an extremely important choice, though the content may not be as important as some people want it to due to very high expectation it can be somewhat important if they had the time to do it in, which is likely.

Here's something from Gaider a few year's ago.

DG: When you're talking about decisions that the fans expect to be treated as sacred, the big decisions are the ones that....the small ones, whether a character lives or dies, or smaller side plots and stuff, that seems less important overall, but for the big ones like the Dark Ritual I don't think we can not respect the Dark Ritual. It's going to be tricky, and I think the problem we encounter with some of the big decisions is the level of expectation.

There are some people saying on the forums that they expect the Dark Ritual to be the focus of an entire game, like "Oh, I think I should be playing the Old God baby and everything should revolve around that." Again, with that we have to make a completely different game for the person who did the Dark Ritual or didn't do the Dark Ritual, and we can't do that. So it's a little bit of a Catch-22 in that sense, but I think what we can at least promise is that the big decisions should have a big impact on your game. And I think that ideally, at least in my view, if you made a decision, you should get content that is specific to that decision.

So if you did the Dark Ritual, if and when we brought Morrigan back, you should get something extra for having done the Dark Ritual, for having imported it, and it affects your game in some important facet. It may not be as important as some people like, but it can be important, and provided we have the time to create the content...ideally there would be unique content, as much of it as possible for these variations. I'd like for somebody who's played a future game to come back and tell their friend "Oh yeah, this happened with Old God Baby and it was really cool," and they were like, "Wow, that didn't happen in my game!" I think that's the kind of talk we'd like to have. It's a challenge for the writing team, there was a point recently when we were sitting down and discussing plot, and I threw out "Okay, there's this big decision from Dragon Age Origins that we're going to have to deal with. Here's our current plot, here's what the decision was, so what do we do to respect that decision in this without making it balloon out of control" and there was silence.

I think Cheryl eventually piped up, she said "Monkeys!" It's not as easy and there's a little bit of potential in the end that nobody's pleased. If you try to deal with it as best you can you end up not pleasing the people who want it to be huge, and not pleasing the people who begrudge the fact that this thing that they didn't do has any importance at all. So it's a bit of a challenge

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People will be upset no matter what they do, but they shouldn't cater or bend exclusively to one group and ignore everyone else for plenty of reasons, they had and still have time to craft content for both groups instead of what some people want, the content they have built may not please everyone but I guess we'll see.
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Speaking of hypothetical children coming out of the woodwork, it seems strange we're so focused on the fate of the OGB and NGB, yet we ignore the possible child of m!Aeducan, beyond their probably still being in Orzammar?

 

To be honest, that kid is probably the one I'd most like to see cameo in a future game.


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I'm still very curious as to how exactly they'll handle the major DAO plot point that is Morrigan's baby, DR or not, since his conception was entirely optional.

It wasn't exactly a major plotpoint. It came up almost at the end of the game and was talked about once. It can be easily refused and the only significance it had to the actual plot of the game was that one person less had to die. Since then it had zero significance for any subsequent media of the Dragon age Franchise expect that it is mentioned shortly in witch hunt. It will most likely play a bigger part in one of the more fleshed out sidequests as a result but hardly more.

And personally I'm fine with that, because I'm no fan of special snowflake characters (A child with the soul of an old god? Seriously?).

But just to be fair I'll be happy for you people who chose the dark ritual if the OGB actually plays a bigger role than I expect and I won't complain if that should happen (I even did a playthrough with DR once just in case.)



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I would think that anything involving Morrigan's child, OGB or not, would be limited to perhaps seeing the child with Morrigan, or possibly doing some quest to help her regarding the child.   May be even escorting them somewhere safe or rescuing him.   Whatever sanctuary she may have placed the child in before, may well not be safe any more.

 

Now I realise doing the DR was more important for the plot than simply sleeping with Morrigan earlier in the game, but I must admit it did seem odd that they would include the frame which said about rumours of Morrigan carrying a child if you had not done the DR if that was going to be disregarded at a later date but would be acknowledged if you did do the DR.   Was that screen just a mistake and should only have been there if you did do the DR?   After all if you didn't do the DR and you didn't sleep with Morrigan then no mention is made of any child

 

Obviously the Inquisitor would not be interested in the Warden's child but I would certainly like to know.  



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I would think that anything involving Morrigan's child, OGB or not, would be limited to perhaps seeing the child with Morrigan, or possibly doing some quest to help her regarding the child.   May be even escorting them somewhere safe or rescuing him.   Whatever sanctuary she may have placed the child in before, may well not be safe any more.

 

Now I realise doing the DR was more important for the plot than simply sleeping with Morrigan earlier in the game, but I must admit it did seem odd that they would include the frame which said about rumours of Morrigan carrying a child if you had not done the DR if that was going to be disregarded at a later date but would be acknowledged if you did do the DR.   Was that screen just a mistake and should only have been there if you did do the DR?   After all if you didn't do the DR and you didn't sleep with Morrigan then no mention is made of any child

 

Obviously the Inquisitor would not be interested in the Warden's child but I would certainly like to know.  

A healthy part of me still feels that the whole point of the DR was to give some of the fanboys and fangirls a way to beat DA without having their warden/allistaire/loghain have to die.  I am not exactly certain bioware was expecting the level of importance the fan base has placed on it.


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it wouldnt be that big of a deal in inquisition had the developers just let it fade and not brought it up during the peek at the game...  if they hadn't said that the questions surrounding morrigan and the ogb would be revealed this game, then it would have just faded away and forgotten by the 5th game or so



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it wouldnt be that big of a deal in inquisition had the developers just let it fade and not brought it up during the peek at the game...  if they hadn't said that the questions surrounding morrigan and the ogb would be revealed this game, then it would have just faded away and forgotten by the 5th game or so

They never said it would be revealed in this game just that it would be addressed in future games.



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Small quibble: If you didn't do the DR and obviously didn't have a chance to have sex with Morrigan again after the Archdemon, when did she get pregnant with the non-OGB baby? I've never not done the DR because I'm actually super curious about whether the purification worked and wanted that aspect for everything, but doesn't she leave immediately after your refusal, thus not giving the two of you one last night together?

 

I ask because if she's pregnant with the non-ogb baby from a previous encounter, that makes zero sense since I know that her body couldn't have been capable of getting pregnant if she aborted it in between the time of your agreement and the ritual. Yeah, yeah-- magic. But it still bothers me. And if the ritual sort of just inserted the old god soul into the embryo/fetus, why the sex? I am bothered on a medical level here.



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magic is involved, it cant be explained in medical terms



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Small quibble: If you didn't do the DR and obviously didn't have a chance to have sex with Morrigan again after the Archdemon, when did she get pregnant with the non-OGB baby? I've never not done the DR because I'm actually super curious about whether the purification worked and wanted that aspect for everything, but doesn't she leave immediately after your refusal, thus not giving the two of you one last night together?

 

I ask because if she's pregnant with the non-ogb baby from a previous encounter, that makes zero sense since I know that her body couldn't have been capable of getting pregnant if she aborted it in between the time of your agreement and the ritual. Yeah, yeah-- magic. But it still bothers me. And if the ritual sort of just inserted the old god soul into the embryo/fetus, why the sex? I am bothered on a medical level here.

 

I'd guess it's a Schrödinger's cat kind of situation - if you don't go for the DR, Morrigan was pregnant from a previous encounter. If you do go through with the DR, Morrigan wasn't pregnant before the ritual. You never know til you make a choice :P



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One reason the OGB isnt canon its because thats a big near-end spoiler that  determines the possibilities in the game ending of your warden or companion fate, so its a big spoiler for new dragon age players who havent played origins. Thats just logical sense.



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Possible side quest for gaining the trust of the King of Ferelden/Warden Commander.

 

Inquisitor has to represent you in Orlesian Court to fight for custody of the child against Morrigan.


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so now its turned into a phoenix wright game?



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I'd think it would be better if they left the child's story for latter in the series and focus on Morrigan's growth as she seemed naive and tainted by her relationship with her mother.If the child in any form i'd like to be a small cameo to show morrigan as a mother.



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If my Warden slept with Morrigan but didn't do Dark Ritual she still have a child,what will she do with him?
Will she "dispose" of him since he won't have Urthemiel's soul?
Use him for experimenting or extending her life span like Flemeth?,i can't imagine her doing anything good with him lol.

 

She could be just trying to keep him safe. Right now Thedas just opened up like Hellmouth.



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Dingo stole my baby!!!!

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You'll see him/her every other weekend. That is if you follow through with child support.

 

Watch out for Morrigan, she's not one to pull any punches. Expect to be eating tv dinners and living out of a shoe box for the next eighteen years. Or next few games as it pertains. 

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So far, all my Warden's have OGBs. I should try saying no to the DR...But Morrigan is sooo hot!



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Why are some people so hung up on this baby/OGB thing?IT doesn't happen in a lot of playthroughs, and  forcing that *OGB* scenario' on players who didn't choose it would be a major letdown.



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We'll it's no different then any playthrough of DAO where Leliana was killed.

 

Or even Wynne, Shale, Alistair who have all appeared in novels, comics or games that are affecting the story of DA:I. If the writers decide that canon is something other then you choose well you have to suck it up. So if they choose to make the OGB important in the future then it is.



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^^^^dont be foolish, the devs have stated multiple times that their canon is independent of anyone else's. If you never did the DR then the god baby doesn't exist.