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[smeckie]

He'd rather bang ponies then milfs.. so he backed out.

Friendship is magic....and Unicorns!

[capn233]

To me penetration is more important than armor mitigation and the slight damage bonus isn't always seen on a gun like the Claymore. Basically, the DI has so many additive weapons bonuses that the tiny extra bit won't show up on anything but Dragoons in a Cerberus Gold game. Meanwhile, the extra penetration let's me shoot through more walls and enemies. Where it becomes really important is on Target waves where two Atlases spawn and the target is behind the other Atlas. It let's you kill them both with roughly the same amount of time.

 

Plus Drill III ammo is cheaper than AP IV.

[Kate Upton]

He'd rather bang ponies then milfs.. so he backed out.

Maybe the elder's from his village finally killed their idiot.

[me0120]

Plus Drill III ammo is cheaper than AP IV.

 

*looks at consumables left*

 

...

 

*sigh*

[Razerath]

I am glad to see so many enjoy the GI Claymore. It's been my main kit for two years. Never gets boring for me. All GIC game anyone?

[oceandrive]

To me penetration is more important than armor mitigation and the slight damage bonus isn't always seen on a gun like the Claymore. Basically, the DI has so many additive weapons bonuses that the tiny extra bit won't show up on anything but Dragoons in a Cerberus Gold game. Meanwhile, the extra penetration let's me shoot through more walls and enemies. Where it becomes really important is on Target waves where two Atlases spawn and the target is behind the other Atlas. It let's you kill them both with roughly the same amount of time.

Thank you and dida for clarifying. Reason I asked was confusion over both properties. I only started using it lately after dida's recommendation in one of the posts. Still couldn't tell the difference. I thought that AP4 could penetrate through walls and Atlases, just like the drill but with extra damage.

Guess I'll have to revisit and start using those piled up 255 drill ammo.

What other guns that can benefit greatly from this ammo?

[q5tyhj]

Thank you and dida for clarifying. Reason I asked was confusion over both properties. I only started using it lately after dida's recommendation in one of the posts. Still couldn't tell the difference. I thought that AP4 could penetrate through walls and Atlases, just like the drill but with extra damage.

Guess I'll have to revisit and start using those piled up 255 drill ammo.

What other guns that can benefit greatly from this ammo?

 

It seems to me its more a matter of what kits rather than what guns, and the answer is just any kit that has wallhax (either via Hunter Mode, Geth Scanner, or Thermal Scope). Plus, you can stack penetration mods so, for instance, you throw the HVB and piercing mod on the Typhoon, then use Drill Rounds III (one of my favorite setups for the Flamer-less GT), and you have something like 4-5 meters of penetration. Just ridiculous. 

[q5tyhj]

It seems to me its more a matter of what kits rather than what guns...

*With the obvious exception of projectile weapons that can't benefit from piercing/penetration in the first place (GPS, scorpion, adas, etc).

[Argent Xero]

You need to get more acquainted with the High Lord.

Are you coming on to me?

[me0120]

Are you coming on to me?

 

Only if you want to handle a real gun...

[ForceGhost]

All Hail the Exalted and Lord Claymore! With skilled use, it is better than the Wraith. Cooldown be damned.

[me0120]

It seems to me its more a matter of what kits rather than what guns, and the answer is just any kit that has wallhax (either via Hunter Mode, Geth Scanner, or Thermal Scope). Plus, you can stack penetration mods so, for instance, you throw the HVB and piercing mod on the Typhoon, then use Drill Rounds III (one of my favorite setups for the Flamer-less GT), and you have something like 4-5 meters of penetration. Just ridiculous. 

 

Some things on this,

 

Drill III vs AP IV is very situational.

From a weapon standpoint, if the weapon has a low base damage then AP IV is preferred. Other than that, Drill gives a noticeable difference in penetration and a small loss on damage. Taking into account double and triple hits, Drill III might be more reliable at getting multiple hits. Then there are strange guns like the Arc Pistol, which when charged gets a 3x multiplier to its base damage for ammo bonuses. That is a very small percentage of the overall damage so I prefer Drill III (or Disruptor).

 

From a loadout standpoint, it is much more important. Like you said, most of the time I use wallhax I also use Drill III. Different classes use wallhax for different reasons...it's nice on the Drell because I can lead Dragoons around obstacles and shoot them without getting hit. Slow classes may benefit from wallhax + Drill to be a "gap closer" because if they don't everything gets killed before they get there . Classes that get in close to enemies don't need Drill III + wallhax together (ala Fury). The times it really shines is on maps like Glacier where there a lot of obstacles. 

 

 

Final point is penetration bonuses will only stack if the weapon has innate piercing. 

[didacuscarr]

Thank you and dida for clarifying. Reason I asked was confusion over both properties. I only started using it lately after dida's recommendation in one of the posts. Still couldn't tell the difference. I thought that AP4 could penetrate through walls and Atlases, just like the drill but with extra damage.
Guess I'll have to revisit and start using those piled up 255 drill ammo.
What other guns that can benefit greatly from this ammo?

Any hitscan weapon with a high damage per shot. I only recommend it with Hunter Mode or Geth Scanner though, without you'll most likely get in LoS anyway. There's not a huge difference in TTK between Drill III and AP IV, Drill III just has more utility with 1m more penetration. I use Drill III mostly to save AP IV and AP III to save Drill III though.

[megabeast37215]

I love AP IV ammo.. it's one of my most coveted consumables. I only use Drill ammo if I'm using a class that has a debuff that lowers armor mitigation like Cryo Blast, Warp, etc.

[capn233]

Since I have been hording AP IV, I tend to just run Drill III on whatever won't lose out too much from armor DR, and then go AP III if I need to use a real pea shooter.

[Supremocognito]

Revenant is the best I use it so much! I never use the junk known as the MoreClay.

[Teh_Ocelot]

Revenant is the best I use it so much! I never use the junk known as the MoreClay.

It's the best b/c you can hold down choke points.

[Supremocognito]

It's the best b/c you can hold down choke points.

Only Warlords wield Revenant, so that's why I use the Revenant. Technically speaking all Geth Primes in ME2 and the Shadow Broker can be dubbed "Warlords". So some Geth Primes are more individualistic than we thought.

[Deerber]

Claymore is single handedly the most over rated weapon in this whole game.

 

Please dont misunderstand.  I enjoy using the claymore, I think its powerful and versatile.  I understand how to reload cancel.  Its a great gun.  But... I just don't understand how or why it gets so much praise.  Its hardly the top DPS weapon in the game... 

 

Right... and I get all that, and I appreciate the weapon for similar reasons.  I guess I just dont see it as being significantly better then other weapons that could fulfill that same criteria.  Shrugs.  I dont mean to poo-poo the Claymore.  I just think the praise it receives seems drastically out of sync with the reality of its game functionality.  I mean... I dont even place it in my top 3 favorite shotguns, much less my top 10 weapons.  

 

Maybe I am just taking the "Hail the High Lord" stuff too seriously?  More of a insider BSN thing?

 

Well, if you're taking the "Hail the High Lord" seriously then yeah, I guess I understand why you'd say it's overrated. But... You can't really be taking that seriously, can you?

If you're not, on the other hand, and still think it's overrated, well... I don't know how to say that without sounding too arrogant for my tastes, really, but... There are people who can make this gun sing, and others who can't. Simple as that. You might know how to use it, and how to reload cancel, but from what you say, you can't make her sing. Yet If you really think DPS is the only stat that matters in this game, then you've got a looooong way of learning ahead of you...

 

The only Average GI players are Heldarion and Knocking. Everyone else is scrub-tier.

 

With all due respect man, but when it comes to GI... Who the **** is Knocking?

 

It tightens the spread of the pellets so in theory, yes, a choked  shot would hit less enemies than an unchoked one. In practice, the tighter spread increases the accuracy of your shotgun at range and makes it really good for headshots as more pellets will hit the head. 

 

IMO, the Wraith is accurate enough and wouldn't benefit much from a smart choke. Putting a choke on a Claymore though will definitely improve the gun.

 

Not using the smart choke on ANY* shotgun that can benefit from it in the usual way was punishable by death in the empire.

 

* exception being on certain vanguards for obvious reasons.

 

All Hail the Exalted and Lord Claymore! With skilled use, it is better than the Wraith. Cooldown be damned.

 

QFMFT.

[Argent Xero]

Only if you want to handle a real gun...

I've handled your so-called "boomstick" before.


Unimpressed™

[Stanry Roo]

Raider > all

[Teh_Ocelot]

I've handled your so-called "boomstick" before.


Unimpressed™

Shots fired. I repeat, shots fired. 

[Teh_Ocelot]

Raider > all

Yeah, for me it's Claymoar/Raider as 1/1a. I could literally use one or the other in virtually any game and be just as happy. 

 

I just got the Claymoar much earlier in the game than I did the Raider and it's always been the only gun I cared to have @ X, and as RNG fate would have it, it was the 4th to last rare gun I got to X 

[Stanry Roo]

You and I are in quite opposite predicaments The RNG didn't bless me with any of the claymore, raider, or wraith until much later in my career. My Raider remained at 5 for months whilst my Claymore and Wraith sat at 1 and 2 respectively. 

 

You merely adopted the Raider. I was born with it, molded by it. I didn't see the Claymore until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me except heavy!

[TheShadyEngineer]

 

Not using the smart choke on ANY* shotgun that can benefit from it in the usual way was punishable by death in the empire.

 

* exception being on certain vanguards for obvious reasons.

 

If you need a choke on a Wraith, I'd have to suggest a nice big cup of L2Aim