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[Enigmatick]

Never Thought I'd have to say this again

 

 

Today on a very special BSN edition of "Will it Fit?"!

[metalfenix]

I don't really get why some people Iron Bull should be Qun-only. From his description I'd think he'd be more... Liberated than the average Qunari.

I wouldn't have THAT much of a problem with it, though. Restricted Iron Bull > No Iron Bull.

 

THIS. A bi Iron Bull available only to qunari players would be fantastic.

[Hellion Rex]

THIS. A bi Iron Bull available only to qunari players would be fantastic.

Hmmmm, I may be forced to activate my sexy male Qunmage first....

[Deviija]

For the sake of the discussion of human/Qunari romance, we did see an example of it in Dragon Age 2.  A potential gay pairing, at that.  The Viscount's son, Saemus (confirmed by Gaider as non-hetero), and Ashaad.  Or, at the very least, a gay Viscount son in love with Ashaad.  No real confirmation if it is a two-way reciprocated street, other than the line of, "We were both seeking something.  That was enough."  

 

So, in short, yes, I'll take Iron Bull for bi LI, thanks.

[Turnip]

For the sake of the discussion of human/Qunari romance, we did see an example of it in Dragon Age 2.  A potential gay pairing, at that.  The Viscount's son, Saemus (confirmed by Gaider as non-hetero), and Ashaad.  Or, at the very least, a gay Viscount son in love with Ashaad.  No real confirmation if it is a two-way reciprocated street, other than the line of, "We were both seeking something.  That was enough."  
 
So, in short, yes, I'll take Iron Bull for bi LI, thanks.

Do you have a link to where it was confirmed?

[Silcron]

Well Gaider didn't confirm anything but on his tumblr he talked about their philosophy with romances. I'd say that the restrictions will be based on npc's sexuality or lack of atraction to the PC.

I.e. Cassandra may be lesbian, meaning that a male qunari inquisitor can't romance her but a female one can. And for the other just look at Varric in DA2.

So I definetely see a human qunari romance being available in the game, even if the Iron Bull isn't romanceable.

[Deviija]

Do you have a link to where it was confirmed?

 

Where the Viscount's son is confirmed to be non-heterosexual?  Here's the thread link, and here's the quote by Gaider:

 

 

 

So we should, what? Have a pair of ambient elves in the market who talk publicly about how much they like both men and women? A codex entry where Brother Genitivi discusses "Sexuality in Thedas"?

It's not something that comes up because it's private-- and also because there are no terms that exist in that era. In our own history, the need to study and categorize sexuality didn't come about until the late 19th century... prior to that, it wasn't even a concept. The act was considered far more relevant than the impulse. So when it comes up outside of the player's personal experience, it's going to be either vague or implied (such as Wade & Herren, Branka & Hespith or the Viscount's son).

 

If you mean a link that confirms Saemus and Ashaad were lovers without a doubt?  No, there is none that states it flat-out.  As Gaider says, they rely on implying or vague things.  The implied conversation in DA2 which you can view here:

 

 

At the 4:42 mark.  

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I really hope they'll change their mind about the need for homosexual content to be "vague" or "implied". It makes no sense to me. They've said before that sexuality is not a cause for persecution in most of Thedas, so I can't see a reason the average person would actively hide it. It's not difficult to have someone refer to another character as their lover, just like it's easy for a heterosexual character to call another character their wife/husband. That quote was from a couple years ago. I really hope they've revised their decision on how to handle same sex couples since then. It's incredibly disappointing to think all same sex relationships outside PC LIs will always be construed as maybe/maybe not. 

[Shark17676]

I really hope they'll change their mind about the need for homosexual content to be "vague" or "implied". It makes no sense to me. They've said before that sexuality is not a cause for persecution in most of Thedas, so I can't see a reason the average person would actively hide it. It's not difficult to have someone refer to another character as their lover, just like it's easy for a heterosexual character to call another character their wife/husband. That quote was from a couple years ago. I really hope they've revised their decision on how to handle same sex couples since then. It's incredibly disappointing to think all same sex relationships outside PC LIs will always be construed as maybe/maybe not. 

 

I completely agree.  I realize that I may be opening a big can of worms here, but it's an issue that I feel strongly about and I want to speak my mind on it.  Keeping all NPC homosexual relationships "vague" or "implied", while it's perfectly OK for the straight couples to talk openly about their relationships...I'm sorry, but that concept just doesn't sit right with me.  I'll even go so far as to say, to me, it's tantamount to flat-out telling players, "Well, if you don't like the thought of these characters being gay, we left just enough room for you to construe that they aren't."

[Black Jimmy]

Play as a Qunari, romance Cassandra or Cullen. Easy.

[In Exile]

I completely agree.  I realize that I may be opening a big can of worms here, but it's an issue that I feel strongly about and I want to speak my mind on it.  Keeping all NPC homosexual relationships "vague" or "implied", while it's perfectly OK for the straight couples to talk openly about their relationships...I'm sorry, but that concept just doesn't sit right with me.  I'll even go so far as to say, to me, it's tantamount to flat-out telling players, "Well, if you don't like the thought of these characters being gay, we left just enough room for you to construe that they aren't."

 

That's true, but have painted themselves into a corner by not making sexuality an identity issue as part of the setting initially. I imagine they'll just go back on that, and make it so that sexuality is a part of individual identity. I wonder how they'll justify that in-setting, seeing as there's no driving social force toward prejudicing sexuality. 

[Mockingword]

I really hope they'll change their mind about the need for homosexual content to be "vague" or "implied". It makes no sense to me. They've said before that sexuality is not a cause for persecution in most of Thedas, so I can't see a reason the average person would actively hide it. It's not difficult to have someone refer to another character as their lover, just like it's easy for a heterosexual character to call another character their wife/husband. That quote was from a couple years ago. I really hope they've revised their decision on how to handle same sex couples since then. It's incredibly disappointing to think all same sex relationships outside PC LIs will always be construed as maybe/maybe not. 

Yeah, **** that noise.

 

(And prepare to be disappointed. >_>)

 

As for the original topic of this thread, I'm not sure that my size kink could overcome the fact that Qunari are still funky-coloured beast-dudes.

[Mockingword]

That's true, but have painted themselves into a corner by not making sexuality an identity issue as part of the setting initially. I imagine they'll just go back on that, and make it so that sexuality is a part of individual identity. I wonder how they'll justify that in-setting, seeing as there's no driving social force toward prejudicing sexuality. 

Well, if there's no driving force towards prejudice, then there was never a reason to be "vague" about it in the first place. Saemus could've just said "Ashaad and I were totally boning, all the time. We did it there, and here, and on that rock..."

 

Just as an aside, if I was supposed to be reading Saemus and Ashaad as gay, then I am retroactively unaccountably pissed that they were killed off.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Yeah, **** that noise.

 

(And prepare to be disappointed. >_>)

 

As for the original topic of this thread, I'm not sure that my size kink could overcome the fact that Qunari are still funky-coloured beast-dudes.

What I don't understand is that Anders told me about his relationship with Karl and Isabela spoke of multiple sexual encounters with women in the same game as Saemus and Ashaad. They clearly know it's possible to present same sex relationships in a non-vague way.. because they've been doing it. 

[Hellion Rex]

What I don't understand is that Anders told me about his relationship with Karl and Isabela spoke of multiple sexual encounters with women in the same game as Saemus and Ashaad. They clearly know it's possible to present same sex relationships in a non-vague way.. because they've been doing it. 

Indeed. It is a tad perplexing.

[Wulfram]

I think Mr Gaider's comment was more intended to say that people in Thedas wouldn't tend to identify themselves as any particular sexuality, rather than that homosexual relationships themselves would be kept especially vague.  Branka and Hespith's relationship wasn't really vague or implied, and nor was Isabela's attraction to other women.

 

(Though I note that Leliana was able to identify herself as a lesbian ("poetess") in Origins, even if that was subterfuge)

[Mockingword]

That's some pretty bogus slang. WTF does poetry have to do with anything?

[Deviija]

Indeed, the comment is a few years old now, but it is the only relevant one relating to the particular subject of Saemus and Ashaad.  Hopefully some views and stances have changed over the years, and for DAI.

 

I also remember Gaider speaking about how there are no terms and concepts of heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, etc., just people's actions and interests.  Similar to how we never had such terms until the 19th century.  Still, terms or not, I do not see the point in making things so vague and implied as to it being completely open to any manner of interpretation. 

 

 

 

Just as an aside, if I was supposed to be reading Saemus and Ashaad as gay, then I am retroactively unaccountably pissed that they were killed off.

 

In one of the groups I am in, a member pointed out that in DA2, nearly every gay/bi male could be killed off in your game.  Saemus dies, Ashaad dies, Karl (Anders' former lover) dies, Anders can be killed, Fenris can be killed.  I think all that's left is Jethann.

[In Exile]

Well, if there's no driving force towards prejudice, then there was never a reason to be "vague" about it in the first place. Saemus could've just said "Ashaad and I were totally boning, all the time. We did it there, and here, and on that rock..."

 

Just as an aside, if I was supposed to be reading Saemus and Ashaad as gay, then I am retroactively unaccountably pissed that they were killed off.

 

Right, stuff like that should absolutely be out in the open, no question. 

[Wulfram]

That's some pretty bogus slang. WTF does poetry have to do with anything?

 

Well, it's obviously a reference to the greek poetess Sappho, just as terms such as lesbian and sapphic are.  That doesn't make a huge amount of sense in another world, but that's pretty much always going to be a problem - why are Qunari warships named after an early 20th century British battleship? - and I suppose this allows them to avoid explicitly using a real world person or location.

[Shark17676]

*Bromance*

 

I've always loved this image.

 

If this is what submitting to the Qun entails, then ship me to Par Vollen this very instant.

[Former_Fiend]

Well, it's obviously a reference to the greek poetess Sappho, just as terms such as lesbian and sapphic are.  That doesn't make a huge amount of sense in another world, but that's pretty much always going to be a problem - why are Qunari warships named after an early 20th century British battleship? - and I suppose this allows them to avoid explicitly using a real world person or location.

 

...I don't think "obvious" is an appropriate descriptor. 

[Crunchycarp]

Don't know if this this was mentioned but if qunari could break someone in half during intercourse ther theirs one word

*whispers* bondage

[Hellion Rex]

I've always loved this image.

 

If this is what submitting to the Qun entails, then ship me to Par Vollen this very instant.

Preach!