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#26
Rheannan

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the_one_54321 wrote...

Thank you for adding. I know that I am not the only old community member that feels this way. Everyone, this is your opportunity to share how you feel about the new "community." Please do so.

I haven't been posting much lately, though I usually stick to the off-topic forum and the website help forums. I don't think I've noticed it as much as others have, when they're checking out more of the forums. I suppose i'm not sure one way or the other, though I'm pretty convinced by what everyone else is saying.

Bearbeitet von Rheannan, 23 Januar 2010 - 09:47 .


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Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

Hmm I haven't really noticed excessive abuse on the forums. Does it usually happen on all of them or just specific ones?


Same here, I've not noticed anything beyond the norm. I usually use the DA forums.

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the_one_54321 wrote...

The BioWare forums used to be a worthwhile place to socialize online. With the new "community" it's just like any other forum on the internet. We are not happy about this.


Groups have pretty much allowed users to hang out with people they like. Being "just like any other forum on the internet", given the new options available, seems natural to me.

Also, nearly everything in the BSN is a work in progress. Can mods ban a user from posting without affecting the game account?

Bearbeitet von Merkar, 23 Januar 2010 - 10:36 .


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The only thing you need a BioWare account for is redeeming promotional codes and displaying characters/screenshots.

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Akimb0 wrote...
Same here, I've not noticed anything beyond the norm. I usually use the DA forums.

The Dragon Age forums are subject to some vulgarities and unacceptable behaviour. But it's much more rare. The most problematic places I've seen are the Offtopic forum, and the polls. Yes, the polls. It's just me, or 3/4 of the polls are just a mean to make the place spammy and identify the poll-makers as trolls? Perhaps I am to harsh, or perhaps I am not.
Also, am not 100% sure, but I think the Mass Effect forums are generally surrounded by strange folk.
After all, everytime, or most of the times I see either Chris Priestly or Stanley Woo post something in the forums it's because they have to lock something up. The flow of locked threads is unusually high here...

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Kevin Lynch wrote...
I forwarded on a link to this thread to Victor to make sure that it gets seen. BioWare and we moderators want and need to hear this type of feedback.

I definitely get what y'all are saying and I think you may notice some leniency going by the wayside. The balance that has to be maintained is keeping customers while maintaining a welcoming site with civil and respectful discussion for members of the forum, but perhaps there has been too much erring on the side of caution so far.


Thank you for your input, Kevin.

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I'm adding in my support on this opinion. We were a much better community not a month ago, even if we had a few trolls here and there.

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Ditto. To the general spirit of the thread and replys, ditto.

Ah, c'est la vie.

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+1

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Chalk another one up for me. Just group/friends now with a little lurking in Off Topic.



It's like Escape from New York all over again.

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I will add my voice here as well. Over the past few months I have almost entirely retreated to only reading and posting in a few private groups due to the general unpleasantness that the forums have descended into. I assume that part of the reason the moderation style has changed since the switch to the BSN is largely due to actual product being tied to customer accounts here but surely something can be done to control the unpleasant behavior that seems to be the norm now in the forums.

As for how well retreating into groups is concerned, both their biggest advantage and biggest shortcoming is how insular they are.

Bearbeitet von Quixal, 23 Januar 2010 - 07:52 .


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I am new to the Bioware Forums but have been a member of others for a long time, I too am really disgusted by the lack of common manners, and the need to throw insults around.. I have been and currently am a Moderator on a forum that along with others while not as big as this I can relate to Bioware moderators (It can be hard to keep up with all that goes on the threads)



I cam here to catch up on news, and possibly have intelligent conversations with people who enjoyed the same game I did.. not sure that is possible with many of the people here..and they seem to outnumber those I would enjoy conversing with :(

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My personal opinion, if you don't like the perceived state of the forums, instead of posting about what it's lacking compared to the old forums, contribute to it. If you don't post your thoughts or comments in general threads, that leaves it open to others to post their thoughts and determine the flow of that thread. While it's great that some of you feel more comfortable discussing topics within various forum groups, that's not going to really affect the posters of the forum at large.

Anyway, while the mods should moderate the forums in regards to the stated rules, I don't think you should really rely on them to determine the quality of the forums. By this I mean determining what people can discuss and just how that discussion comes about. Although it's unlikely that the Bioware boards would ever become like this, I personally dislike forums in which the mods restrict discussion and complaints based upon their own personal opinions and views, rather than the forum's rules. It doesn't really foster a sense of community or welcome if mods are getting on someone's case for relatively minor matters.

In regards to bad behavior, I haven't seen too much of it on the forums. I don't read every single thread though, so maybe I'm just more discerning about the threads that I do take the time to read. One thing that I do avoid though are large threads, simply because they'll take up a lot more time to skim through than smaller threads.

My biggest complaint are the blatant spoilers in thread titles, as well as their existence in "non-spoiler" forums.

Bearbeitet von FFLB, 23 Januar 2010 - 08:13 .


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the_one_54321

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FFLB wrote...
Anyway, while the mods should moderate the forums in regards to the stated rules, I don't think you should really rely on them to determine the quality of the forums.


The issue being that we don't feel the stated rules are really being enforced. There are any number of posters that I am sure should have been banned for their behavior. Not because I don't like it, but because they broke the rules.

FFLB wrote...
In regards to bad behavior, I haven't seen too much of it on the forums.


I disagree, obviously. And, also obviously, there are others who also disagree.

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What are you complaining about you n00bs, I'm gonna pwn you!



Seriously though, it's good to know I wasn't imagining things...

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I agree 100% with your statement The One. I very rarely drop in to post anymore but simply to keep up with buddies. I find a lot of what is now being said is distasteful, disrespectful and quite aggressive. There is no need for this sort of thing. I know that differences in opinions can cause some pretty heated debates to take place, but come on people... It's only a game! Leave the ego at the door, please. Name calling and abuse have no place here.

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I could not agree with this sentiment more. The spoiler spam I just witnessed at the Mass Effect forums minutes ago pushed me over the edge. Up until now, I have taken this in stride. I was never that prolific a poster. Usually I only participate in polls which are sort of post and forget affairs, and threads people on my list participate in if the topic interests me. That is partly due to a lack of time or desire to follow every thread, but mostly it is how chaotic these forums are becoming.

It used to be forumites were warned the moment they wrote anything approaching flaming. Nowadays I'm seeing all sorts of insults and suggestive comments flung around with seemingly few repercussions. It is not omnipresent quite yet, but it is there and growing. Maybe one more voice in a two page thread will not make a shred of difference, but at this point I have truly had it and there is no better thread to vent my frustration.

Bearbeitet von Seagloom, 23 Januar 2010 - 09:43 .


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crimzontearz

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yes......the whole ME General issue is not escalating to ridiculous proportions

where is the community staff? Where are the mods? why in the name of god does this board NOT have an ignore function or a "Ban IP" function for the mods?

I never saw such a peoblem happening in the old forum, it's not like it has not been pointed out before so many times that the old firums worked a lot better also......

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We need an ignore function. I've been regularly updating a topic in this very forum and spreading the word and some people are in agreement. I agree entirely that some bans need handing out too, but I think the 'ignore' function will also help in some way. All people seem to get these days is just a slap on the wrist with a 24 hour ban and then they are back. There needs to be stronger methods to either make them see sense that what they are doing is wrong or just completely remove them.

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+1 I can't remember the last time i went to the official foruns. Only off-topic and groups now.

Bearbeitet von MrHimuraChan, 23 Januar 2010 - 09:55 .


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I find myself agreeing with FFLB. Rules should definitely be enforced and abusive posters should be heavily penalised or banned. An ignore function would also be a significant help. But what you all are saying is that because it's a little rowdy you won't participate. That leaves the rowdy kids in control - and you've given it to them.



You should be participating - starting discussions, and participating in those of others, while displaying the correct kind of behaviour yourself. And if (or when) someone behaves badly, you should say so and clearly state the reasons why that is innapropriate. I think many would back you up. Only then, if the person or persons involved continue to be abusive or whatever should the moderators step in. When they do, they should come down on offenders like a ton of rectangular building objects.



In other words, moderators should be the last resort - not the first. That's my two cents worth.

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I am really put off by the decrease in quality here, so much so that I rarely post here anymore. I often feel like making a response or a new topic, only to stop after reading the trash that is on the boards. I really miss the old atmosphere where we felt like a close-knit community that knew each other. However, I think with Bioware's new found popularity since Mass Effect and DA this is getting less likely.

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I'm not sure quite where I stand with all this. Certainly the balance between free speech and civility is always difficult to maintain, and I think Bioware is doing it's best to uphold both.



I have also seen some disgraceful things written in the forums - It seems to sometimes go like this: Someone starts a thread with a dubious topic (usually negative in sentiment), and this offends someone else, who out of loyalty to the company or a general inability to "suffer fools", proceeds to attack the OP or anyone who agrees with him/her either with ridicule or, more rarely, outright violent language. This is just one example, and by no means is it a one way street. Hence the prevalence of terms like "fanboy" and "troll" being thrown around with abandon.



There are also some extenuating circumstances that add to this:



-Bioware games have a much wider appeal than they used to, and therefore there is greater chance for conflict occuring. Age difference (and social experience) alone would be one such difference. When I started playing games 20 odd years ago, it was more likely that players were closer in age, had far fewer games to compare and so were less "spoilt". But then again forums like this one were either non-existant or in their infancy (dunno for sure as I didn't have the internet til much later). Now we have an age range of at least 40 years, and that can mean very different approaches to communication. Of course it's isn't simply age, but also drastic societal changes but that would require an even bigger essay :).



-I don't want to make this a generational thing, but improvements in communication technology have had, imo, some negative consequences, particularly for young people. That is, from an early age, they can have a "social life" where face-to-face communication is actually exceeded by distant communication (mobile phones) and anonymous communication (in-game, forums etc). It is perhaps easier for someone older like myself to acknowledge the real person behind an anonymous post because I grew up in a completely different social environment. If I didn't choose my words carefully, I would face social repercussions or just a black eye (which thankfully never happened). Of course there are anti-social people over the age of 30 too.



-I only joined this forum after playing Dragon Age myself, though I've played and loved most Bioware games, and therefore don't know what it was like in the months leading up to the DA:O's release. But I can imagine that it was mostly positive/supportive in nature, with contributions on what to expect in the game, and things ppl would like to see. Sure there would have been some disagreement, but as it was all conjecture, there woud be less opportunity to take an emphatic stance. This changed, as was inevitable, when the game was released, because there is now something more concrete to argue about (e.g. quality and value of the game we have).



-There are many people who really just want to discuss the game's story and lore. E.G, is Alistair a nice guy? or was King Cailin (spelling?) a misguided fool or a hero betrayed? Personally, I'm not into those discussions very much myself; perhaps I'm just a bit jaded, or I don't find the story quite as compelling as others, I don't know. To me it's a great story for a game, but doesn't compare with my favorite novels, plays or poetry, and even those I discuss as fiction, not as though they were real events in a parallel universe. People who do see the game world in this way (which I am not belittling in anyway I hope) perhaps have a sense of ownership; that is, any topic which potentially brings them back to earth can be viewed as detrimental to their own "immersion".



Anyway, I hope that civil people don't simply abandon the forums, and rather contribute to them in a way that sets a good example, Of course, good examples can be and often are ignored, but that's no reason to give up. As a teacher myself, I know that it can be frustratingly slow at times to lead by example rather than just tell someone they are behaving badly, or complain about it to the boss, but in the end it is a much more valuable lesson imo. A thick skin is cerainly a pre-requisite.



Apologies for the length of this but I felt that to reach some kind of understanding of this state of affairs we need to move on from the initial, and justified, complaints. And please feel free to criticise my observations :)


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I don't venture outside group forums now, but to be honest from what I've read it's not like the ME forums had a good name before the move. It just seems the rest of the forums have caught up.

Dahn-Var Starcloak wrote...

What are you complaining about you n00bs, I'm gonna pwn you!


You'll be pleased to know you are terrible at that.

Bearbeitet von Liana Nighthawk, 23 Januar 2010 - 11:45 .


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I've been known to act immature sometimes. But the spoiler bonanza is the last straw for me.

Bearbeitet von fairandbalancedfan, 24 Januar 2010 - 12:18 .