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[FieryDove]

the_one is spot on as usual.



I rarely go into the forums anymore due to this. Plus spoilers running wild do not help. I suppose letting people do what they like is a good way to keep *more* customers but many old timers and people with more hmmm posting etiquette will just get frustrated and leave methinks. imho as always.

[Remmirath]

I agree with this. It has gotten pretty bad recently. I never posted very much on the old forums, but I can certainly tell the difference (and the difference between now and pre-release when there weren't many people around, which I'm sure is a lot easier to deal with).

It's true that hiding away and not posting won't fix the problem, but unfortunately neither will ignoring it and going about your business as usual. Most of the time the people who are going to post offensive things and spam aren't going to fall in line because somebody's setting a good example, at least not in my experience.
Me, I keep posting about as much as I ever did, but many of the threads get a bit painful to read.

It's just me, or 3/4 of the polls are just a mean to make the place spammy and identify the poll-makers as trolls? Perhaps I am to harsh, or perhaps I am not.

It's not just you. I'm still sort of amazed at some of those polls, in a train-wreck-in-slow-motion sort of way. I've run across a few that were actually interesting or useful, but most of them do seem to be as you said.

[Snoteye]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

But what you all are saying is that because it's a little rowdy you won't participate. That leaves the rowdy kids in control - and you've given it to them.

[...]

In other words, moderators should be the last resort - not the first. That's my two cents worth.

I do not agree completely with this. To post here you sign a contract stating you will behave appropriately. A minor infraction should invoke a slap on the wrist, because if it doesn't it is sending the message that rules are meant to be broken -- but everyone makes mistakes and we need to make room for that. A serious offense, on the other hand, should have just as serious consequences. It is not part of the contract that we must accept the antics of our fellow posters or go away, quite the opposite. Being new should not exempt you from proper punishment.

It is not rowdy because people won't participate. It is rowdy, final. It will remain rowdy until something is actively done to reign in offenders. That's just how the Internet works.

BioWare/EA has to decide if they want to retain the high standard of BioBoards or if they want this to be just another forum. Right now it is the latter. Nothing is inherently wrong with that -- in fact, it probably means more activity -- but it is risking losing (and not illegitimately so) more mature members. For my part, I would like to see a branch of EA that isn't just another CoD cesspit.

[the_one_54321]

Well put, Snoteye. BioWare forums were once more than "just another internet forum." right now, they are "just another internet forum." moderation and enforcement of the rules could fix that. at the moment it's not doing anything to fix it. at the moment there has been escalation in the negative. and thus, the outcry of discontent from the old guard.

[Fraevar]

Well spoken the_one. I wholeheartedly agree, as I wrote in a blog post awhile back. I miss the 2003 forums that greeted me, when I first came here, looking for information about Knights of the Old Republic. People were friendly, civil and it was a good place to be. Now, though...

Użytkownik Delerius_Jedi edytował ten post 24 styczeń 2010 - 10:09

[Lucy Glitter]

the_one_54321 wrote...

BioWare staff,

Your original fanbase has expressed a general displeasure concerning the recent arrivals in the social site. We feel slighted and abused that you have allowed such insulting, vulgar, disrespectful behavior go on with so little moderation and even less reprimanding. 

We remember the old BioWare forums where someone who posted against the rules was warned once or twice and then banned. We remember the old BioWare forums where this kind of thing was viewed as unacceptable by the community managers and the moderators. We cannot help but feel a bit betrayed that you have turned over such a new leaf simply through the changes in style and desired customer base. We are, in general, very displeased with you over this.

We would like our old forums back. Or, at least, to have the same kind of respect, behavior, and "all-in-good-fun" and helpful attitude that used to be prevelant on the old forums. 

Well said, The_One. This site should be a friendly, welcoming site. Not full of people who enjoy talking down to one another. It's upsetting.

LurchALC wrote...

What thr f*** kind of bull s*** is this b****ing? You could just shove your fat head up your a** where its safe and every body loves you. Its the f***ing internet you whiney little b****. F***ing cry me a river, build a bridge, and get the f*** over it. Thats your f***ing quest. And your reward? A f***ing life, b****. You f***ing whiney little bastards are ushually the ones starting the s*** in the first f***ing place. F*** off b**** and die.

Someone needs to learn Battlestar Galactica language.

[Rheannan]

Quixal wrote...

I assume that part of the reason the moderation style has changed since the switch to the BSN is largely due to actual product being tied to customer accounts here but surely something can be done to control the unpleasant behavior that seems to be the norm now in the forums.

It should be entirely possible to ban someone from posting, while at the same time not locking them out of their actual game account.

Oh, and if their behaviour is bad enough, then they should be locked out of their EA account as well.

Użytkownik Rheannan edytował ten post 24 styczeń 2010 - 10:55

[Snoteye]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Someone needs to learn Battlestar Galactica language.

This is actually a major pet peeve of mine and possibly my biggest problem with BSG. If you are going to say it, say it. "Cleverly" beating the censors does not make you cool, it makes you childish.

Rheannan wrote...

It should be entirely possible to ban someone from posting, while at the same time not locking them out of their actual game account.

It does not even need to be. Either they can behave here or go elsewhere and misbehave.

[Ponce de Leon]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Well spoken the_one. I wholeheartedly agree, as I wrote in a blog post awhile back. I miss the 2003 forums that greeted me, when I first came here, looking for information about Knights of the Old Republic. People were friendly, civil and it was a good place to be. Now, though...

Actually, the old forums are still friendly... or better, the place where I go (the Baldur's Gate forums) are still friendly.

Hmm... now, what happened in here?

[Lucy Glitter]

Snoteye wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Someone needs to learn Battlestar Galactica language.

This is actually a major pet peeve of mine and possibly my biggest problem with BSG. If you are going to say it, say it. "Cleverly" beating the censors does not make you cool, it makes you childish.

Agreed. I never got that. Why they didn't just use the word, "damn" is beyond me.

[Mordaedil]

LurchALC wrote...

What thr f*** kind of bull s*** is this b****ing? You could just shove your fat head up your a** where its safe and every body loves you. Its the f***ing internet you whiney little b****. F***ing cry me a river, build a bridge, and get the f*** over it. Thats your f***ing quest. And your reward? A f***ing life, b****. You f***ing whiney little bastards are ushually the ones starting the s*** in the first f***ing place. F*** off b**** and die.

Bioware, when did this kind of teenager-spirit thrive on the boards before? Please clean up, this kinda counts as circumventing the swear-filter.

With the amount of repetitions, I'd get an auto-ban on the old forums for this.

Użytkownik Mordaedil edytował ten post 24 styczeń 2010 - 12:02

[FFLB]

Snoteye wrote...
BioWare/EA has to decide if they want to retain the high standard of BioBoards or if they want this to be just another forum. Right now it is the latter. Nothing is inherently wrong with that -- in fact, it probably means more activity -- but it is risking losing (and not illegitimately so) more mature members. For my part, I would like to see a branch of EA that isn't just another CoD cesspit.

I wouldn't say that it was entirely due to Bioware that their boards contained the quality posts that many of you hold to be the standard now. I always felt that it was largely the community of members that made it so, and kept it as such. In the Baldur's Gate forums, the demographic for frequent posters there are probably quite different than the posters for the original Mass Effect forums.

Most people who go to a forum don't post, they just lurk and read what others are posting. Depending upon how comfortable they feel in that environment, they may decide to post a comment here or there to test the water, so to speak. If they feel uncomfortable with the forum though, they're unlikely to join in on the discussions or the forum itself, if reading posts doesn't require an account. For example, if you happened to go to a professional body-building forum, but felt uncomfortable with that demography, you probably wouldn't post or join that forum. You may decide to go to the Mensa forum, yet also feel uncomfortable posting with that demographic. In either case, you can probably imagine a certain demographic that would feel uncomfortable or intimidated in either or both settings due to each of their respective communities. The same applies here, except the vast majority of this forum's members are here to read about and discuss Bioware games, so you're more likely to have a varied member base, as others have suggested.

My main point is that if you don't participate in the forum, that balance is going to become lop-sided, leaving you with the impression that the forum has degenerated and that it's up to the mods to take back your community for you, when you could've helped to stop the perceived decline with a few well-thought out and constructive comments here and there while taking part in the forum.

If I'm not taking part in a forum, I'm not complaining about it either. Oh, and I'm not addressing this to anyone in particular, just in case anyone thinks that I'm singling them out.

[Dahn-Var Starcloak]

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

You'll be pleased to know you are terrible at that.

Yes, I'm always pleased to be reminded of my own inadequacies. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

I've been known to act immature sometimes.

Same here. But we can be a little immature and still adhere to the site rules.

FFLB wrote...

My main point is that if you don't participate in the forum, that balance is going to become lop-sided, leaving you with the impression that the forum has degenerated and that it's up to the mods to take back your community for you, when you could've helped to stop the perceived decline with a few well-thought out and constructive comments here and there while taking part in the forum.

Point taken. Although we're not trying to be elitists here, just pointing out the perceived problem of frequent violations of rules of conduct. Which used to be holy not so long ago but apparently less now...

Użytkownik Dahn-Var Starcloak edytował ten post 24 styczeń 2010 - 01:24

[Ponce de Leon]

I've re-read the rules and it appears to me that point 1, 2 and 3 are skipped by a lot of people. 4 and 5 are seen, but in much rarer cases. There was a case of breaking rule 6 I have seen, as said before, rule 7 was broken much more on the old forums (). 8 I have seen someone insulting a moderator in a thread, but apparently the thread was puffed, 9 doesn't have that much to do with the problems here, 10, if there are moderator and developer warnings at all, they are NOT being respected, 11 and 12 are more rules for moderators.

Well, half of the rules of conduct are skipped on these forums, or is it just me having illusions?

[Elhanan]

While I do not feel betrayed or the like, I do see the need for stronger moderation due to increased vulgarity and poorly chosen content by some of the new expanded community.

[QuiTamGogh]

As a member of your "original fanbase" I would also ask that Bioware stop including "real-time" combat in its games.  A return to the pure round-by-round tactical combat inherent in turn-based gaming would surely short circuit all of the undeserving hoi polloi, preventing them from buying your games, registering for your forums, and ruining my highly intellectual debates about Blights and Dragons and Morrigan. 


/s/ QuiTamGogh for "the Community."

[the_one_54321]

LurchALC wrote...
What thr f*** kind of bull s*** is this b****ing? You could just shove your fat head up your a** where its safe and every body loves you. Its the f***ing internet you whiney little b****. F***ing cry me a river, build a bridge, and get the f*** over it. Thats your f***ing quest. And your reward? A f***ing life, b****. You f***ing whiney little bastards are ushually the ones starting the s*** in the first f***ing place. F*** off b**** and die.

QuiTamGogh wrote...
As a member of your "original fanbase" I would also ask that Bioware stop including "real-time" combat in its games.  A return to the pure round-by-round tactical combat inherent in turn-based gaming would surely short circuit all of the undeserving hoi polloi, preventing them from buying your games, registering for your forums, and ruining my highly  intellectual debates about Blights and Dragons and Morrigan.

/s/ QuiTamGogh for "the Community."

I can't tell if you're trying to prove me right with sarcasm, if you're a troll, or if you're just a child.

Użytkownik the_one_54321 edytował ten post 24 styczeń 2010 - 04:39

[QuiTamGogh]

the_one_54321 wrote...

LurchALC wrote...
What thr f*** kind of bull s*** is this b****ing? You could just shove your fat head up your a** where its safe and every body loves you. Its the f***ing internet you whiney little b****. F***ing cry me a river, build a bridge, and get the f*** over it. Thats your f***ing quest. And your reward? A f***ing life, b****. You f***ing whiney little bastards are ushually the ones starting the s*** in the first f***ing place. F*** off b**** and die.

QuiTamGogh wrote...
As a member of your "original fanbase" I would also ask that Bioware stop including "real-time" combat in its games.  A return to the pure round-by-round tactical combat inherent in turn-based gaming would surely short circuit all of the undeserving hoi polloi, preventing them from buying your games, registering for your forums, and ruining my highly  intellectual debates about Blights and Dragons and Morrigan.

/s/ QuiTamGogh for "the Community."

I can't tell if you're trying to prove me right with sarcasm, if you're a troll, or if you're just a child.

You're 50% correct.  I was merely pointing out that your original post is self proving.   I can't speak for asterisk boy/girl (boy-girl?).

[MOTpoetryION]

You guys the old fan base are complaining of others actions please if that not calling the kettle black . in every single post where i give my opinion of this game. And if in any way it looks unfavorable to bioware the old fan base comes in my threads and immediately starts flaming ,calling me a troll and many other rude and uncalled for thing . Over and over this has happened.

I would suggest you get off that pedestal you have placed yourselves on and look whats really happening . You fanboi's are such in love with boiware that anything said negative toward them is blatantly, just this side of the line of pure hate speech toward the OP's. I've been a gamer probably longer then most of you been alive . And it doesn't matter what i buy .but if i buy anything and am not happy with it I HAVE THE RIGHT to voice my opinion about it. Simply for the fact i payed for it.

But this game had so much wrong with it on release IMO its was in the worse condition of any game Ive ever had. and i have had allot of them And its taken way to long for BIoware to even acknowledge the issue of increased loading screen times . Two and a half months that is ****** poor actions from a company that so many love so much . OK here is the sad news for you all.

Wake up and smell the coffee BIOWARE is no longer the developer you all fell in love with. They are part of a corporation now the old BIOWARE is gone .The only thing corporations are after
is money and any new way to get more of it . SO you all should take a step back and view the supposed change in the forums policy ,for what it really means. There might be some of the same Dev's working for them still but they are no longer deserving of your BLIND adoration any longer

They are EA now .And sadly EA matches the exact definition of the blite itself . And is dong to the gaming industry what the blight does to the land . They don't care what you think anymore if there are more being bad in the forums, they will accept it ,Because it means that is where more money would come from . It wont change a thing if you guys post displeasures about the changes just accept it bioware is gone forever, period .

So stop defending the old bioware and stop flaming my post they no longer deserve your adoration .Sorry to be the one to enlighten you guys of this sad news though i do feel for you all bioware had such a huge following .And all gamers as a whole just took a bit hit . You are just really defending EA now, but they deserve none .I truly am sorry for you guys i mean that to . I just could not stand to let my fellow gamers being played like that

But you all deep within, now know its true i know you do This was written from a true gamer out of love for his fellow gamers .We must stick together now more then ever because the blight is real
I have already started to gather my army will you join me ??

Użytkownik MOTpoetryION edytował ten post 24 styczeń 2010 - 06:23

[Ponce de Leon]

MOTpoetryION wrote...
I would suggest you get off that pedestal you have places yourselves on and look whats really happening . You fanboi's are such in love with boiware that anything said negative toward them is blatantly, just this side of the line of pure hate speech toward the OP's. I've been a gamer probably longer then most of you been alive . And it doesn't matter what i buy .but if i buy anything and am not happy with it I HAVE THE RIGHT to voice my opinion about it. Simply for the fact i payed for it.

Nobody said you don't have the right to comment and have your own will and mind. If anyone told you that you do not have the right, then it's the one that told you that is a troll, not you. But, if you insult the company, or other members, start a flame war, and all those stuffs, that's what makes you a troll. I personally don't know you, or posts you've made (at least I think), so I can't say. Either way, you indeed have the right to voice your opinions.

But this game had so much wrong with it on release IMO its was in the worse condition of any game Ive ever had. and i have had allot of them And its taken way to long for BIoware to even acknowledge the issue of increased loading screen times . Two and a half months that is ****** poor actions from a company that so many love so much . OK here is the sad news for you all.

It's ok you are angry, again, no one told you don't have to be. But you have to keep your anger away from the forums. You think that writing in all big letters and insulting will help? It's more likely it will get you banned. All you can do is to keep things civil. I, for example, would first listen to someone that asks things peacefully rather then another one that screams with caps lock on and makes my eyes bleed.

Wake up and smell the coffee BIOWARE is no longer the developer you all fell in love with. They are part of a corporation now the old BIOWARE is gone .The only thing corporations are after
is money and any new way to get more of it . SO you all should take a step back and view the supposed change in the forums policy ,for what it really means. There might be some of the same Dev's working for them still but they are no longer deserving of your BLIND adoration any longer

Someone will like old BioWare (like me), others will like new BioWare. It may be all about money, it may not be so. I cannot say, for I don't have to do anything with BioWare, apart from giving them my money (and what, some 50 Euros in a year is almost nothing).

They are EA now .And sadly EA matches the exact definition of the blite itself . And is dong to the gaming industry what the blight does to the land . They don't care what you think anymore if there are more being bad in the forums, they will accept it ,Because it means that is where more money would come from . It wont change a thing if you guys post displeasures about the changes just accept it bioware is gone forever, period .

So stop defending the old bioware and stop flaming my post they no longer deserve your adoration .Sorry to be the one to enlighten you guys of this sad news though i do feel for you all bioware had such a huge following .And all gamers as a whole just took a bit hit . You are just really defending EA now, but they deserve none .I truly am sorry for you guys i mean that to . I just could not stand to let my fellow gamers being played like that

But you all deep within, now know its true i know you do This was written from a true gamer out of love for his fellow gamers .We must stick together now more then ever because the blight is real
I have already started to gather my army will you join me ??

You feel free to gather your army as you wish, just don't troll around. And this is quite offtopic. We are not discussing games here, we're discussing the community. No?

[MerinTB]

All I have to add is that the personal attacks I see everywhere on the forums aren't just from new people. They've come from people registered before DAO was released as well. They come from a lot of people. And it feels like they are rarely addressed successfully.

Some people bashing Bioware, for example, go on and on and I have to assume that Bioware doesn't want to be seen as "penalizing those who are critical of their work" but when someone calls those attacking Bioware (and people who defend Bioware with that childish insult I won't repeat) out for it or even responds in kind (which is wrong, but must seem ok as the others get away with it repeatedly), then the moderators seem to step in and warn the latter party.

I can't know what PM's go on behind the scenes, so they may well be due to my limited perspective.

I've also seen moderators trying to be nice and, without calling out anyone in particular, will issue a general warning on a thread that rarely does any good. And then they issue another. Without the consequences, each "side" in an insulting match believes it is the other side that is getting told to knock it off.



I don't think there should be a zero tolerance policy for personal attacks and insults (unless the whole post by someone is just that, or the attack is really bad) but I do think any single small insult (idiot, retard, fanboy, troll, etc) should get a PM'd warning and only one warning for that thread before a temp ban or some such.



My two cents.

[the_one_54321]

MOTpoetryION wrote...
...

You have missed the point entirely. The first post was primarily about how we are not happy with how BioWare has been handling things. We are not pleased with the changes going on. We'd like them to stop. We'd like things to go back to way they were. At least, in some aspects of the current community.

There is one thing (and at this point, only one) that I have been consistently happy with, in terms of BioWares approach, and that is how they consistently make decisions based on thier users feedback. They rather quickly addressed the issue of people spamming spoilers, as best they could. And their response was not a lenient one. I take some comfort in that. 

[MerinTB]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Snoteye wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Someone needs to learn Battlestar Galactica language.

This is actually a major pet peeve of mine and possibly my biggest problem with BSG. If you are going to say it, say it. "Cleverly" beating the censors does not make you cool, it makes you childish.

Agreed. I never got that. Why they didn't just use the word, "damn" is beyond me.

I don't think it's always about censors, though.  Language changes, and different cultures have different sayings and curses.
Sometimes sci-fi and such want to have their own language.

And this is off-topic.  But from Legion of Super-Heroes to Firefly, I like when creators add new language to their characters' vocabulary - its just one more touch that makes you feel the setting is different from reality.

[Beerfish]

Perhaps it is apparent now why the previous forums were accused of being overly moderated and too strict on the type of topics allowed. Once the doors are opened more than a crack the flood begins.

[FieryDove]

Beerfish wrote...

Perhaps it is apparent now why the previous forums were accused of being overly moderated and too strict on the type of topics allowed. Once the doors are opened more than a crack the flood begins.

I'll take overly moderated anyday and thankfully it's not just me feeling that way.