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[Ponce de Leon]

Me too... and besides, it's not like the old forums were like a concentration camp. We had our own freedom.

[Chaos-fusion]

It amazes me that over moderation is probably the only thing that could be done for people to retain basic civility..

[MOTpoetryION]

dark laoron there was not one bit of anger in me when writing my post . nowhere in my post am i rude , it was completely civil , and there is only 4 words in caps in a row . I never use all caps please don't assume things. In my threads i never insult bioware i merely state facts of things i have noticed wrong with the game its not always trolls that flame me its the old fan base, they tell me so Either that or you guys have allot of trolls in said base. Anything i say about the game and in relation to bioware because they made it i have proof of in screenhshots . And i am not off topic I'm talking about the community and the amount of flamers in the old fan base . That they are a big part of the problem . Because of your love of the company . And i explained that the old fan base is denying my right . By using intimidation tactics so i don't want to post anymore And last Ive told you why there is a change in the policy bioware is no longer in charge EA makes the rules now . i just told you guys the truth don't believe me if you don't want to But they are warning people when it suits them . because i commented in one of their threads about the taking two and a half months to finally acknowledging the problem and instantly was flamed and called one an ass as in hole

and censored it myself A** as in hole. but the( as in )is only added for safety now and received a TOS violation .and completely deleted my post . For that word, please look what that one has in his post it appears they don't like to hear the truth either.. a little excessive considering what else is going on and they are allowing





AND dark lauron by your responses to my post you match the ones i speak of by reading things in my post that are not there . Don't bother responding back to me with anything i wont be back to this thread so its a waste of effort on your part



singed , still not angry bye : )



ps: and all the characters in the game swear when you pick them for your group then unpick them

[fairandbalancedfan]

LurchALC wrote...



What thr f*** kind of bull s*** is this b****ing? You could just shove your fat head up your a** where its safe and every body loves you. Its the f***ing internet you whiney little b****. F***ing cry me a river, build a bridge, and get the f*** over it. Thats your f***ing quest. And your reward? A f***ing life, b****. You f***ing whiney little bastards are ushually the ones starting the s*** in the first f***ing place. F*** off b**** and die.

I just love how this statement pretty much showcases what is going wrong with the forums.

[Angie Long]

I miss how the old forums, they were much more friendly than the other forums I've seen. It's getting harder to find good worthwile discussions these days. That said, I think people forget that Bioware is also much more popular now. Mass Effect and Dragon age were very popular games. That brings a lot more people here, and a lot more undesireables as well. It makes it much harder to moderate. Some people are hellbent on stirring up trouble, just because they are "invisible" on the internet. It's sort of like opening up a club to more people and finding that also birngs more fools. Still, they may not be as kind/clean as before, but the developers still interact with us, which is more than most companies do these days. It's at least worth reading the Developer posts. Maybe once everything is move over to the Social site they will focus on moderating them. Unless it's a case of willing to loose your original fanbase for a new, larger one. For now it's not usually worth posting anymore, unless you're the type who likes to cyber-fight.

I wonder if the lack of bans has to do with our games being tied to these accounts. Maybe they don't want to risk angering their paying customers by blocking part of their experience, even if it's a well deserved ban.

You know, a function to ignore posts of other users would really help. I've sen it done before and it would at least give the illusion of a cleaner forum.

Modifié par Angie Long, 25 janvier 2010 - 04:25 .

[darth_lopez]

the_one_54321 wrote...

BioWare staff,

Your original fanbase has expressed a general displeasure concerning the recent arrivals in the social site. We feel slighted and abused that you have allowed such insulting, vulgar, disrespectful behavior go on with so little moderation and even less reprimanding.

We remember the old BioWare forums where someone who posted against the rules was warned once or twice and then banned. We remember the old BioWare forums where this kind of thing was viewed as unacceptable by the community managers and the moderators. We cannot help but feel a bit betrayed that you have turned over such a new leaf simply through the changes in style and desired customer base. We are, in general, very displeased with you over this.

We would like our old forums back. Or, at least, to have the same kind of respect, behavior, and "all-in-good-fun" and helpful attitude that used to be prevelant on the old forums.

can i have the design and my old garrus avi back too please '~' i have noticed people do seem a bit more hostile

even posting just to ask for advice on my comp specs i felt like an outcast in a community i've been apart of for more than 6 months now. Before people would kindly say stuff and not in such a harsh and begrudging way against other foruites it has concerned me greatly considering in the old forum i even got help with my COD 4 game from another member and long for the days of friendliness again and i've only been logged on to this one for 2 or 3 days now and i'm deeply concerned.

[Gorath Alpha]

Beerfish wrote...

Perhaps it is apparent now why the previous forums were accused of being overly moderated and too strict on the type of topics allowed. Once the doors are opened more than a crack the flood begins.

So, given the minimal moderation right now, what is the reason for it? 

The same thing happened during the first days after Dragon Ages' release as well, when absolute chaos reigned supreme, is there supposed to be some cathartic cleansing effect from putting up with trashy behavior?  I do not believe that for a moment!

Gorath

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 25 janvier 2010 - 06:48 .

[MerinTB]

MOTpoetryION wrote...

dark laoron there was not one bit of anger in me when writing my post . nowhere in my post am i rude , it was completely civil , and there is only 4 words in caps in a row . I never use all caps please don't assume things. In my threads i never insult bioware i merely state facts of things i have noticed wrong with the game its not always trolls that flame me its the old fan base, they tell me so Either that or you guys have allot of trolls in said base. Anything i say about the game and in relation to bioware because they made it i have proof of in screenhshots . And i am not off topic I'm talking about the community and the amount of flamers in the old fan base . That they are a big part of the problem . Because of your love of the company . And i explained that the old fan base is denying my right . By using intimidation tactics so i don't want to post anymore And last Ive told you why there is a change in the policy bioware is no longer in charge EA makes the rules now . i just told you guys the truth don't believe me if you don't want to But they are warning people when it suits them . because i commented in one of their threads about the taking two and a half months to finally acknowledging the problem and instantly was flamed and called one an ass as in hole
and censored it myself A** as in hole. but the( as in )is only added for safety now and received a TOS violation .and completely deleted my post . For that word, please look what that one has in his post it appears they don't like to hear the truth either.. a little excessive considering what else is going on and they are allowing


AND dark lauron by your responses to my post you match the ones i speak of by reading things in my post that are not there . Don't bother responding back to me with anything i wont be back to this thread so its a waste of effort on your part

singed , still not angry bye : )

ps: and all the characters in the game swear when you pick them for your group then unpick them

We won't miss your condescension and overly high opinion of yourself.

And, for the record, when you say derogatorily negative things about a person (or a company), whether you can back up said negative statement with "facts", an insult is an insult.  And calling a company "the blight" isn't really something you could back up with facts, anyway.

Also for the record, when you talk down to someone as if you are superior, or as if the person you are trying to "help" is refusing to see your "truth", that is insulting to most people - whether a moderator will consider it a direct insult or not.

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I know it's hard to moderate forums such as these, but I really wish that the contextual entirety of a post would be considered, because someone can be rude, inflammatory, and insulting without using direct name-calling or easily-quotable-as-proff phrases.

I have to agree again - this site is far more lax in policing bad behavior than I find acceptable.

Modifié par MerinTB, 25 janvier 2010 - 06:46 .

[Rheannan]

Elhanan wrote...

While I do not feel betrayed or the like, I do see the need for stronger moderation due to increased vulgarity and poorly chosen content by some of the new expanded community.

But it certainly doesn't help when forum regulars then quote such posts, which makes moderating the original post rather ineffective (I'm referring to a particular post that was quoted in this thread).

[Snoteye]

Rheannan wrote...

But it certainly doesn't help when forum regulars then quote such posts, which makes moderating the original post rather ineffective (I'm referring to a particular post that was quoted in this thread).

There's a reason it was strictly forbidden on BioBoards.

[Elhanan]

I have no idea if it is doing any good or not, but I am using the Report Post function each time I see a transgression. At least there is a log of it somewhere.

[the_one_54321]

It's been suggested by the mods that if you wish to report someone you'd have better luck sending a PM with a link to the post and a link to the players profile.



It was also suggested to me personally by a mod that many of the mods feel that we should be able to fix most problems ourselves by just ignoring the offending posters. I am not entirely certain how to feel about this suggestion.

[Mordaedil]

Welp. I hope Mass Effect 2 blows over quickly then.

[Quixal]

the_one_54321 wrote...
It was also suggested to me personally by a mod that many of the mods feel that we should be able to fix most problems ourselves by just ignoring the offending posters.

This does not fill me with hope for the BSN.

I only just now found out about the ugliness that happened here over the weekend. I suspect the hands-off approach will have unfortunate results. Namely, chasing off all the civil folk.

[Rheannan]

the_one_54321 wrote...

It was also suggested to me personally by a mod that many of the mods feel that we should be able to fix most problems ourselves by just ignoring the offending posters. I am not entirely certain how to feel about this suggestion.

That would kind of defeat the purpose of having moderators. Besides, once people start just doing that, the offending people will know they can get away with anything.

[the_one_54321]

i think it's a fairly simple approach. they want attention, so if you don't give them attention they stop. the problem is that i don't think they'll actually stop. i think they'll keep on responding, because the discussion keeps on going. basically, i want the behavior to not happen in the first place. id like for people to post here to already be aware that their actions can get them in trouble, the same way it used to be on the old forums. i don't really want to just ignore the rude ones.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 26 janvier 2010 - 06:16 .

[Tyrax Lightning]

/sign

I too am worried about how things are going here, in addition to hoping i'm not part of the problem. I'm a novice poster, & am doing my best to be a good poster, but i've still been able to screw up plenty, including having one of my threads locked by Mr. Stanley. I accidentially made a duplicate subject thread by mistake because I had no idea that the subject was already covered by another existing thread. He still had to do what he had to do to keep the Forums clean & cozy. I'm upset that I had no way at all to know about the Search Function bein up & running before it was too late to avoid my mistake, but I still had to pay for my screw up for the good of the Forums. (& I accept this.)

I too vote for stronger Forum cleaning measures even if I have to pay dearly for it & get my clock cleaned when I screw up, even if by accident. When I first signed up to these Forums, (To download the Standalone CC.) this was a cozy, friendly place. I started my 1st ever Thread here to give my 'Hello' to this site & got lots of friendly response. Look what this place has turned into now.  I seriously hope i'm not part of the problem, but i'm no bright spark.

I vote for some troll smiting even if I have to go splat in the combat zone along with the trolls. (2H Axe swingin! ) This kinda sacrifice is one of the kinda things that make Warriors cool, after all!

[the_one_54321]

By your description, it sounds like you're far from being part of the problem.

[FieryDove]

I was thinking, it is possible nothing can be done. If accounts are working the way it was for spore early on- Joey's younger brother got online, posted garbage and profanity in the EA forums and the entire family was locked out of the game when the account was banned.



That may be not how it works here but with the Bio accounts linked with EA accounts maybe it is. Just a thought.

[the_one_54321]

FieryDove wrote...

I was thinking, it is possible nothing can be done. If accounts are working the way it was for spore early on- Joey's younger brother got online, posted garbage and profanity in the EA forums and the entire family was locked out of the game when the account was banned.



That may be not how it works here but with the Bio accounts linked with EA accounts maybe it is. Just a thought.

Yeah, that doesn't have me feeling much pity. If some rotten little brat is on causing trouble, I'd say the parents need to teach that child that respect and good behavior is the same thing on any medium. Eventually the parent will find out about the ban when they account can't be accessed by anyone on that computer. A few e-mails share the needed info, and "little Joey" get's punished for bad behavior.



At least that's how it works in my fantasy world, where people are fair and honest to each other.



Either way, I have no pity. If you're an [donkey]hole or you allow you're kid to be one, deal with the consequences. I am still not happy with moderation here, and I'm not terribly satisfied with the answers I've received on this so far. Ban the jerks. They're jerks. I don't care if they get their feelings hurt over it or not. They're causing the problems to begin with.

[Tyfreaky]

Rheannan wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

It was also suggested to me personally by a mod that many of the mods feel that we should be able to fix most problems ourselves by just ignoring the offending posters. I am not entirely certain how to feel about this suggestion.

That would kind of defeat the purpose of having moderators. Besides, once people start just doing that, the offending people will know they can get away with anything.

I am going to have to agree. Yes we can ignore post but the idiots will keep on posting.

And lets not forget all the spoiler info over the weekend. The problem was not ignoring the poster, the problem is that if you did not know that particular poster was spamming spoiler info in random threads, that you would read the info before before you realized it was spoilerific.

And dont ge me started on people who said "You should know better", if I could macically tell the contents of an entire paragraph just by a few words (or letters) I would try to get on the Wheel of Fortune....

[Tyfreaky]

Rheannan wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

It was also suggested to me personally by a mod that many of the mods feel that we should be able to fix most problems ourselves by just ignoring the offending posters. I am not entirely certain how to feel about this suggestion.

That would kind of defeat the purpose of having moderators. Besides, once people start just doing that, the offending people will know they can get away with anything.

I am going to have to agree. Yes we can ignore post but the idiots will keep on posting.

And lets not forget all the spoiler info over the weekend. The problem was not ignoring the poster, the problem is that if you did not know that particular poster was spamming spoiler info in random threads, that you would read the info before before you realized it was spoilerific.

And dont ge me started on people who said "You should know better", if I could macically tell the contents of an entire paragraph just by a few words (or letters) I would try to get on the Wheel of Fortune....

[Tyrax Lightning]

the_one_54321 wrote...

By your description, it sounds like you're far from being part of the problem.

Many thanks!

I agree that ignoring the problem might work for attention hounds, but it's useless on people that think hurting other people is funny. Ignoring Trolls that are trying to be bad to &/or hurt other people on purpose only makes them think they've found defenseless targets for mindless carnage. They won't ever stop if they think they're winning. Isn't that the kind of poster the Ban Hammer was designed for? What happened to responsibility for the consequences of actions?

You walk up to a Dragon without bein a darn good fighter, & there will be fiery hot &/or razor sharp consequences. You run with a sword in hand, & trip, there'll be consequences that could be bad for your health, or perhaps your life... You play with Fire without respecting it, the consequences can burn you.

If people come on this Forum with intent for grief, there should be dire consequences, or ya mighta as well be tellin the Trolls to 'Come on in, & feel free to invite your Ogre & Goblin pals too!'. I seriously hope this is not the intent of the Devs.

Here's a better sign: "Trolls!!! You try to trash the house, it's Ban Hammer time!!! If ya don't want your game bucks goin to waste, then no griefing, respect other people, & behave!!! We hope you paid for this game to enjoy it, because we're not lettin ya use this game to ruin other people's fun!!!"  Agree, or maybe a tad to barbarian? (I can get carried away sometimes. )

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

People want to see some sort of ignore function, yes?



I sort of took over a topic (I did actually create my own seperate one after a bit but that sank whilst the original one stayed afloat sort of) in which a request was put out for some sort of ignore function to be added.



Feel free to add your name to the cause, I seriously think we need an ignore function and one which will remove any topic title/post someone makes.



Here is linkyhttp://social.biowar.../6/index/510661

[Mashiki]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

People want to see some sort of ignore function, yes?

Nope.  I'd be happier with more moderation and perhaps something akin to the old forums where it wasn't degenerating into a cespool of dispair and stupidity.  Is it bad that in the last 2mo while I've lurked and read around, there has been times where I couldn't tell the difference between a 'chan and here?  I'd say so.

It seems that the entire forum has slid downhill.