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[Snoteye]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

People want to see some sort of ignore function, yes?

Incidentally, I hate ignore functions. They are too easy an excuse for moderators to not moderate.

[the_one_54321]

http://social.biowar.../index/786325/1

I weep for the state of the forums when this of all things is not at all out of place. If I were a mod here, and not specifically instructed to do otherwise, I'd give them a couple warnings to tone it down, and then I would start issuing 24 hour bans, and lock the thread.

Wont someone please think of the children?! But seriously, BioWare is this really what you view as acceptable and not in need of any moderation? Is this going to be the norm on forums like ME from now on?

Modifié par the_one_54321, 27 janvier 2010 - 07:01 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

The trouble with that particular forum at the moment as far as I am aware, the only mods on it are devs.

If you look at say the DAO ones, they have a load of mods and I know some of them are up at different hours of the day whereas the devs are naturally tied to their usual working hours or sometimes their out of work hours when they shouldn't necessarily have to be here. I would like to hope that maybe there will be more mods on that forum after this weekend when the game is out everywhere and thus mods will be able to find out what is/isn't a spoiler and naturally can also of course deal with such issues as that.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 27 janvier 2010 - 07:56 .

[Chokladglass]

I have other reasons for not using the forums very much, threads are for instance growing too fast for me to have the energy to keep up, but the changed tone of the community isn't helping. I would mainly like to see more consequences for insulting people, as well as more spoiler removal.

I am somewhat annoyed that Bioware seemingly thinks it is more important not to scare away "customers" who flame and ruin for others, than enforcing a bare minimum of civility on the official forums. That's not right.  An ignore function is not a solution, it's a way to cover up the problem.

That said, overmoderation isn't fun either. I wouldn't want a forum where you are told off if your post can be considered mildly off-topic from any point of view whatsoever. I've been to such forums and they are no fun. Those who completely derail threads are ruining for us in that way too; going off topic and being silly for a while is nice, but if mods are forced to come down hard on people who hijack and derail threads, we may not be able to have as much fun as we used to.

Modifié par Chokladglass, 27 janvier 2010 - 09:43 .

[Rheannan]

Tyrax Lightning wrote...

I'm a novice poster, & am doing my best to be a good poster, but i've still been able to screw up plenty, including having one of my threads locked by Mr. Stanley. I accidentially made a duplicate subject thread by mistake because I had no idea that the subject was already covered by another existing thread.

Making a duplicate thread (without realising there was another one there) is pretty minor. That's not what I'd call  bad behaviour.

Besides, the search function was down for a while and I doubt everyone realised when it was back up.

the_one_54321 wrote...

Yeah, that doesn't have me feeling much pity. If some rotten little brat is on causing trouble, I'd say the parents need to teach that child that respect and good behavior is the same thing on any medium. Eventually the parent will find out about the ban when they account can't be accessed by anyone on that computer. A few e-mails share the needed info, and "little Joey" get's punished for bad behavior.

I agree with that, although it could still cause some problems where it's a housemate instead, for example.

Tyfreaky wrote...

And lets not forget all the spoiler info over the weekend. The problem was not ignoring the poster, the problem is that if you did not know that particular poster was spamming spoiler info in random threads, that you would read the info before before you realized it was spoilerific.

And dont ge me started on people who said "You should know better", if I could macically tell the contents of an entire paragraph just by a few words (or letters) I would try to get on the Wheel of Fortune....[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

If you're looking in a non-spoiler forum, and you see spoilers, then ignore the people who say 'you should have known better'. Although, you should probably avoid all forums entirely, including the ones not for that particular game, if you want to be adamant about it. I doubt most people do that...

Modifié par Rheannan, 27 janvier 2010 - 01:39 .

[Tyrax Lightning]

The " 'you should have known better' (than to think it would be forgivable to look for non-spoiler info in a non-spoiler thread" logic is broken gimp. That's Troll logic. This logic doesn't fly or float, it's comparable to 'It's not stealing unless you're caught.'. This kinda logic deserves an 'ID10T' Error Message.

Spoiling non-spoiler sections is NOT okay, stealing is stealing & getting caught or not is an entirely separate point, (& that cheesy line I used in the above example is a 'Rouge' thing to say & disgraces Roguekind.) & Trolls should not be allowed to practice their faulty ways as if they're acceptable.

I can also understand how Devs might be concerned of the possibility of the Ban Hammer bein too crushing a force, that a strike from it on the Forums could crack & shatter it's way onto gameplay availability. Might I suggest an alternative, the 'Ban Axe'?  It cleaves instead of crushes, so maybe it could strike on the Forums without spreading to the gameplay handling part of the account? (In other words, everytime the banned person tries to post, ban code could treat the person as if they have a forum posting authorization of '0' instead of, say, a normal poster's authorization level of '1'? For a poster with a ban poster level of '0', it would be as if every topic was locked, even though it's openly not locked to poster level '1'.

Modifié par Tyrax Lightning, 27 janvier 2010 - 05:33 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Tyrax Lightning wrote...
an alternative, the 'Ban Axe'?  It cleaves instead of crushes, so maybe it could strike on the Forums without spreading to the gameplay handling part of the account? (In other words, everytime the banned person tries to post, ban code could treat the person as if they have a forum posting authorization of '0' instead of, say, a normal poster's authorization level of '1'? For a poster with a ban poster level of '0', it would be as if every topic was locked, even though it's openly not locked to poster level '1'.

Despite not being American, I think the 'Ban Bat' would be best, three strikes with it and your completely gone. No more access to the site. Trouble is of course with the way the internet is setup that is really hard to do unless they force it so you need a game reg code to activate the account and soon as you been hit with the third strike the reg codes you had linked to your account are automatically null and voided. So basically strike 1, 24 hour ban, strike 2, week ban, strike 3 account stripped.

Maybe three strikes is to lenient though?

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 27 janvier 2010 - 05:53 .

[sambuka]

I assume not many of you get out much?

[Whist Darkblade]

well lets put it this way, the forumites that have spent years on here (mainly the old forums) need to grow up. Youth can be a source of intelligent. I was here for ME, KOTOR, NWN, and now DAO and ME2 and soon to be DAA.



It is true that i agree with the "old timers" regardless of the fact that i am one of them. the new people that have joined recently, as in just for DAO. some attitudes are wrong and out of place. and grates on the nerves and sanity of people with common sense.



Pet peeve.......people complaining and bashing a company about DLC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Seriously, get a life, use the toolset or something.





RTO WILL BE COMING OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its just a matter of when.



So please for the sake of everyone, keep your pants on!

[the_one_54321]

sambuka wrote...
I assume not many of you get out much?

Thank you for providing a great example of what we're talking about right in the thread.

Really, BioWare, is this what you consider acceptable behavior on the forums now? It used to be that this guy would have gotten repremanded.

[sambuka]

the_one_54321 wrote...

sambuka wrote...
I assume not many of you get out much?

Thank you for providing a great example of what we're talking about right in the thread.

Really, BioWare, is this what you consider acceptable behavior on the forums now? It used to be that this guy would have gotten repremanded.

I do really think that some of you really want to get over yourselves...it's a forum...open to debate..by your criteria only people that agree with your opinion should post. I really think EA/Bioware don't really give a monkeys what you or I post. They have enough to contend with after releasing a game that was hardly ready, and as such is bugged to hell.

[Quixal]

sambuka wrote...
I do really think that some of you really want to get over yourselves...it's a forum...open to debate..by your criteria only people that agree with your opinion should post. I really think EA/Bioware don't really give a monkeys what you or I post. They have enough to contend with after releasing a game that was hardly ready, and as such is bugged to hell.

Civility and agreement are two different things as are debate and bickering. Of course folks will disagree. I would find the forums dull if they only included folks with the same mindset. Disagreement is innevitable. There are ways to do so with a modicum of maturity and politeness though.

Modifié par Quixal, 27 janvier 2010 - 07:50 .

[Adaram]

I just checked and there are over 1.1 million registered users on this site. I am pretty sure that dwarfs the old site. With that many people, things are bound to be unwieldy and hard to manage.



Like many people, I couldn't keep up with the general forum threads. There is just too much happening all at once. I'm not sure how to solve the problem either, however. I expect, over time, things will settle into some sort of a manageable routine. In the meantime, we'll just all have to bear with each other.

[FieryDove]

Adaram wrote...

I just checked and there are over 1.1 million registered users on this site. I am pretty sure that dwarfs the old site. With that many people, things are bound to be unwieldy and hard to manage.

5,709,373 on old site. Not that everyone of those posted, just like here...many lurkers. In fact I think I'll go back to into absentee lurking. The ME2 forums are so hostile here.

[Tyrax Lightning]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Tyrax Lightning wrote...
an alternative, the 'Ban Axe'?  It cleaves instead of crushes, so maybe it could strike on the Forums without spreading to the gameplay handling part of the account? (In other words, everytime the banned person tries to post, ban code could treat the person as if they have a forum posting authorization of '0' instead of, say, a normal poster's authorization level of '1'? For a poster with a ban poster level of '0', it would be as if every topic was locked, even though it's openly not locked to poster level '1'.

Despite not being American, I think the 'Ban Bat' would be best, three strikes with it and your completely gone. No more access to the site. Trouble is of course with the way the internet is setup that is really hard to do unless they force it so you need a game reg code to activate the account and soon as you been hit with the third strike the reg codes you had linked to your account are automatically null and voided. So basically strike 1, 24 hour ban, strike 2, week ban, strike 3 account stripped.

Maybe three strikes is to lenient though?

That's worth a try too.  Axes are my favorite weapon, but sadly, no single weapon can handle all situations. Sadly, Axes can't solve all.

3 Strikes may not be new, but it seems to be able to be effective, so it's worth a try. To add to it, maybe 3 strikes within a certain period of time straight, like perhaps 1 month? We wanna Troll trash, but we want some slack for accidents too. (Like the kind I can manage. Goodness knows I mean no harm, but I can be a little ranty. )

[DanaScu]

sambuka wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

sambuka wrote...
I assume not many of you get out much?

Thank you for providing a great example of what we're talking about right in the thread.

Really, BioWare, is this what you consider acceptable behavior on the forums now? It used to be that this guy would have gotten repremanded.

I do really think that some of you really want to get over yourselves...it's a forum...open to debate..by your criteria only people that agree with your opinion should post. I really think EA/Bioware don't really give a monkeys what you or I post. They have enough to contend with after releasing a game that was hardly ready, and as such is bugged to hell.

Debating and discussing is one thing. People can and do disagree with someone else's opinions and remain absolutely civil and polite. Calling someone retarded and moronic because they don't agree with your opinion is something else. And should end up with a suspension. Sling insults and "stfu" around often enough, and you should be banned. If someone joined the forums after agreeing to the forum rules and the tos then proceeds to ignore the rules they agreed to abide by, then they should be gone. There are other forums where any behavior goes; this didn't use to be one of them.

EABioware devs are working on the game. Volunteer moderators are working on the forums. The mods don't have anything to do with the game. Sometimes, judging by the spam and garbage posted, they aren't being allowed to have much to do with the forums either. On the old forums, people did pay attention when a mod or a dev felt it was necessary to step into a thread and say "Enough. Knock it off." Now the usual response is along the lines of "you aren't the boss of me", and they keep right on with the same behavior. No consequences.

I have my Bioware account; have had it for a long time now. I have posted many times on the old forums, and had some fairly interesting discussions. I made a separate account on this "social site". I don't want a "social site", I want a forum. I haven't posted much on the new social site. Too much spam and garbage and hostility. Yes, I've reported posts. No, nothing has happened and the really spammy crap threads are still open and the monkeys are still throwing crap. I've given up reporting threads. Nothing happens,

[the_one_54321]

DanaScu wrote...
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Send a PM with a link to the post and a link to the players profile to a mod. I figure if they hear it enough, they might start to do something about it. Unless they've been specifically instructed to leave the "customers" to do as they please.

[Nekator]

Fhaileas wrote...

Thank you for finally articulating my feelings about this new "community". The level of vulgarity, crass off-topic retorts and personal attacks is appalling. The Mass Effect forum in particular in it's current state is a virtual cesspool rife with (seemingly) angst ridden adolescents. I guess its natural that as Bioware games become more popular the forums will attract a more "mainstream" crowd, however the level of moderation should expand accordingly. Yet, even if the past few months on the old ME2 forums is anything to go by even the old forums were losing whatever modicum of sophistication and substance they had once possessed.

Good posting and good thread.

[Tyrax Lightning]

the_one_54321 wrote...

DanaScu wrote...
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Send a PM with a link to the post and a link to the players profile to a mod. I figure if they hear it enough, they might start to do something about it. Unless they've been specifically instructed to leave the "customers" to do as they please.

I really seriously hope EA isn't even considering that as an option, because there's no sense in setting rules without enforcement. People will question the quality of a company that doesn't show care & trustworthiness in the maintenance of their Forums. After all, if EA looks too lazy to try to keep their Forums clean, then could they be too lazy to build good quality games...?

EA needs to understand that quality matters. One place they can show this is in their Forums. Cozy, sparkly clean Forums make the company that runs them look like a diligent, hard working company. (Not to mention, becomes a self-sustaining breeding ground for both new & repeat customers.) Troll infested Forums on the other hand, might make the EA Logo look like a Mr. Yuck sticker.

We want cozy, clean Forums. Troll infestations drive customers away.

Modifié par Tyrax Lightning, 28 janvier 2010 - 06:22 .

[sambuka]

To be honest I really think that, we need a European and a USA forum. When I say European I really mean a UK forum. No one is really interested in the French, German or other European country posts.

It seems that humour and sarcasm as Forums are concerned doesn't really travel well across the Atlantic. Many posters from the USA have a tendency to take many comments literally, no offence meant here by the way, it just happens to be that way. The rule of thumb really should be to take many posts as "tongue in cheek" and don't over react. As I have said the clue is in the word "forum" a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas.

Once you dictate  what, people can or cannot post then it no longer becomes a "forum" simples.

The simple answer is much like TV if you don't like the channel change it.

Modifié par sambuka, 28 janvier 2010 - 07:00 .

[smudgedhorizon]

I just wanted to add my agreement on this matter; I have to admit I'm guilty of mostly lurking about and reading topics, only replying when I feel I have either a strong opinion to express, or something else fairly worthwhile to add.



There really has been a rather drastic change in... well to be blunt the collective IQ of the member base here seems to have decreased by a substantial amount. I'm a little nervous about posting in the main forums to be honest.



Oh and I'm English/UK too Sambuka, and I wouldn't say it's a case of over-reacting, more a case of liking a certain degree of civility and the old friendly and inviting atmosphere back.

I've seen more posts than I could list where responses were things like 'stfu noob' or 'waah frakkin waah' - I just see it as rudeness for the sake of rudeness and I don't see there being any need, or excuse for behaviour like that.

[Tyrax Lightning]

smudgedhorizon wrote...

I just wanted to add my agreement on this matter; I have to admit I'm guilty of mostly lurking about and reading topics, only replying when I feel I have either a strong opinion to express, or something else fairly worthwhile to add.

There really has been a rather drastic change in... well to be blunt the collective IQ of the member base here seems to have decreased by a substantial amount. I'm a little nervous about posting in the main forums to be honest.

Oh and I'm English/UK too Sambuka, and I wouldn't say it's a case of over-reacting, more a case of liking a certain degree of civility and the old friendly and inviting atmosphere back.
I've seen more posts than I could list where responses were things like 'stfu noob' or 'waah frakkin waah' - I just see it as rudeness for the sake of rudeness and I don't see there being any need, or excuse for behaviour like that.

Fully agreed. That kind of uncivility should not be accepted here.

[hankscorpio21]

I think an ignore feature would help quite a bit. If you notice someone's posts who don't contribute to the thread or just annoy you, blocking them would be easier than finding a mod online to evaluate the situation. I know you can block your profile, but it isn't the same.

[Tyrax Lightning]

I thought of another idea as well. Add 'Out of place Spoiler' to the list of things you can select as a criteria when using the 'Report this post' option.

[the_one_54321]

It would be nice to have the kind of ignore feature that is used in the SWtOR forums. Where if you put the person on ignore, you dont even see anything they post anymore. It just says "you have ignored this poster." But even so, I'd prefer that the mods actually actively repremanded posters who put up one word or one sentence posts that amount to "stfu" or "waa, go cry emo" and that kind of complete garbage.