Sorry if this has already been brought up, but I had a question about the OGB if Alistair was the father and became king. Provided that he has no more children, does that mean Morrigan is the mother to the Crown Prince of Ferelden? If so, can her son someday take the throne or will she keep it secret from him? He is the rightful heir, as the only child of the king. If anyone's heard anything can you just tell me what's up with that or if we only have speculation for now? Thanks.
OGB a prince?
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 10:38
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Sorry if this has already been brought up, but I had a question about the OGB if Alistair was the father and became king. Provided that he has no more children, does that mean Morrigan is the mother to the Crown Prince of Ferelden? If so, can her son someday take the throne or will she keep it secret from him? He is the rightful heir, as the only child of the king. If anyone's heard anything can you just tell me what's up with that or if we only have speculation for now? Thanks.
He is a bastard, Bastards are not rightful heir even if the King has no other children, However, If Alistair dies without issue then he'll have a chance, assuming anyone can prove that he is Alistair's son in the first place.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 11:04
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Through dialogue before the Dark Ritual, you and Alistair can ask her about the baby's royal legitimacy.
She promises Alistair he won't have to worry about the child coming for the throne. Of course, this is Morrigan we're talking about, but I took her promise as genuine. I think she has bigger plans for her son than king of some backwater country that reeks of wet dog.
She promises Alistair he won't have to worry about the child coming for the throne. Of course, this is Morrigan we're talking about, but I took her promise as genuine. I think she has bigger plans for her son than king of some backwater country that reeks of wet dog.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 11:15
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Erm Alistair himself is a bastard, he can be crowned King, so why not the OGB?
I agree that I doubt that's what Morrigan has planned anyway, but it might be an interesting plot point in DA4:Rise of the God Child ™
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 11:26
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He is a bastard, Bastards are not rightful heir even if the King has no other children, However, If Alistair dies without issue then he'll have a chance, assuming anyone can prove that he is Alistair's son in the first place.
Says who? Ferelden certainly seems exempt from that rule. I can agree with the second part of your statement but Ferelden takes bastards with royal blood in them seriously, especially when there's no legitimate heir to the throne.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 11:29
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Why won't people understand that the OGB cannot ever play a significant role in the series given that he doesn't exists in many players' games and Gaider has confirmed that they will not retcon his existence?
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 11:31
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No one ever said that he should play a significant role, only that he plays a role. To answer the OP, it's just speculation right now, the devs didn't say how the child will be handled.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 11:33
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You can kill pretty much every companion in Origins and they seem to keep cropping up regardless.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 11:44
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Says who? Ferelden certainly seems exempt from that rule. I can agree with the second part of your statement but Ferelden takes bastards with royal blood in them seriously, especially when there's no legitimate heir to the throne.
You make it sound like Alistair just attended the Landsmeet said " I'm Maric's bastard" and got the crown. Have you forgotten how much pain was it to make him King, and that was when he had the backing of Arl Eamon, one of the most powerful noble in the country. And besides the OGB will most probably be a mage (among other things) so he can kiss that crown goodbye.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 11:48
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You make it sound like Alistair just attended the Landsmeet said " I'm Maric's bastard" and got the crown. Have you forgotten how much pain was it to make him King, and that was when he had the backing of Arl Eamon, one of the most powerful noble in the country. And besides the OGB will most probably be a mage (among other things) so he can kiss that crown goodbye.
How hard it was doesn't matter. Arl Eamon called the Landsmeet because Alistair had a legitimate claim to the throne. Whether we could convince the nobles at the Landsmeet is another matter entirely. So yes, OG child is a prince and has a claim to the throne.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 11:54
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How hard it was doesn't matter. Arl Eamon called the Landsmeet because Alistair had a legitimate claim to the throne. Whether we could convince the nobles at the Landsmeet is another matter entirely. So yes, OG child is a prince and has a claim to the throne.
A bastard is not a prince, and his claim depends on whether Alistair has a child or not, If in a event where Alistair manages to knock up his wife (whoever that is) then the bastard will have no claim whatsoever, unless Alistair (for some reason) decides to legitimize his OG bastard.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 12:05
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Erm Alistair himself is a bastard, he can be crowned King, so why not the OGB?
Alistair is only crowned king because of the Landsmeet's approval. Eamon and the Landsmeet legitimized him because they wanted a Theirin on the throne. He is still a bastard who would have never been a contender for the throne if Cailan had children or Maric had brother/sister with children. Of course, the Warden can screw that up and put Anora on the throne. Which means that Alistair was never legitimized and his "potential" children gets no rights to the throne.
The noble Warden Cousland have a pretty good claim for the throne by the way and their might be a few noble families that do as well, some might even be foreign. Political marriage (to take countries) is a thing in Thedas: Celene was planning it with Ferelden and the Pentaghasts have done it to retake Nevarra from the Van Markham as well.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 12:14
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A bastard is not a prince, and his claim depends on whether Alistair has a child or not, If in a event where Alistair manages to knock up his wife (whoever that is) then the bastard will have no claim whatsoever, unless Alistair (for some reason) decides to legitimize his OG bastard.
Why do you pursue this line of argument? He is a prince regardless of whether or not Alistair has another child(which I highly doubt would happen but whatever). Being a prince and being an heir to the throne are two different things, the latter would change depending on circumstance as seen in Origins. Of course, if Alistair has a child of his son, then obviously he would not have a claim to the throne.
But just as Cailan died without any heirs, granting Alistair as strong a claim to the throne as Anora(which allowed Arl Eamon to call the Landsmeet and present a candidate in the first place), the bastard will have a claim if Alistair does not sire any children before he dies. Whether or not he gains support from the nobles and becomes king afterwards is a different matter.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 12:19
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Well, historically, bastard children of the king are NOT considered princes or princesses. Sometimes they were given minor noble titles and land. Other times they were legitimized but given no titles (just a salary from the kingdom). And most times, they were never even recognized officially and were just bastards.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 01:44
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Well, historically, bastard children of the king are NOT considered princes or princesses. Sometimes they were given minor noble titles and land. Other times they were legitimized but given no titles (just a salary from the kingdom). And most times, they were never even recognized officially and were just bastards.
What he said.
A royal bastard is still a bastard, not a prince. Alistair was never referred as a prince, only Maric's bastard.
As for him having a claim on the throne, well I doubt Nobles would be too excited about calling a a bastard's bastard their King, but I suppose if Alistair dies without an heir then he will have a decent claim, provided that he can prove his parentage.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 01:53
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If an Old God wants to be king, will he really let a little thing like "rules" stop him?
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 01:58
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I think she has bigger plans for her son
Like leading the Inquisition?
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 02:10
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Like leading the Inquisition?
The Inquisition will be led by a ten-year-old who may or may not have had a sex- and race-change operation? And who may not even exist?
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 02:17
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The Inquisition will be led by a ten-year-old who may or may not have had a sex- and race-change operation? And who may not even exist?
Well, no one will honestly expect that kind of Inquisition .
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 02:20
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Lets just have a scene in the beginning of DAI, where any potential OGB gets killed anticlimactically in a explosion. That way we can put an end to all OGB threads and speculation.
It'll be like that scene where Steve Seagal died in the beginning of Executive Decision, squashing all ideas that he ever had a real part.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 02:21
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If an Old God wants to be king, will he really let a little thing like "rules" stop him?
Yes it will, because I don't know how much of the old god ,the child has in him, but when the entire country united they killed that old god and a horde of dark spawn, So, if in the near future a 20 something hipster comes claiming the throne, just because he is the 'Old Godz Babyzzz' The nobility of Fereldan will b!tch slap him to death.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 02:42
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The Inquisition will be led by a ten-year-old who may or may not have had a sex- and race-change operation? And who may not even exist?
The child was merely a vessel to contain the soul, who is to say the soul hasn't found a new vessel?
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 03:43
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The child was merely a vessel to contain the soul, who is to say the soul hasn't found a new vessel?
You are still missing the 'may or may not exist' part.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 09:24
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In Alistair's case many people knew of his royal connection - Eamon, Loghain, Duncan (if it was Fiona's baby), Teagan. No one ever denied his parentage.
In the case of OGB, Morrigan disappeared immediately after the death of the Archdemon and made it clear she was going to bring up the child elsewhere. The only people who knew of the baby were Warden (who may currently be missing), Alistair (who would be dead if child was going to claim throne) and Morrigan. Is anyone likely to believe Morrigan that he even is Alistair's offspring? Plus if she reveals that it was the reason the Warden and Alistair didn't die, then the Grey Wardens will likely try and kill it. However, the main issue is that there will not be anyone of importance in Ferelden to back up the claim. After all anyone could just come forward and claim to be a royal bastard but to be accepted by the Landsmeet would require the backing of someone like Eamon to legitimise the claim. I doubt even the word of the Warden would be sufficient, hero or not.
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Posté 01 mai 2014 - 10:39
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Lets just have a scene in the beginning of DAI, where any potential OGB gets killed anticlimactically in a explosion. That way we can put an end to all OGB threads and speculation.
It'll be like that scene where Steve Seagal died in the beginning of Executive Decision, squashing all ideas that he ever had a real part.
I feel the same way about the Warden and Hawke.
But ANYWAY, on topic: Also, remember that Morrigan has apparently insinuated herself into the Orlesian courts. The kid might be a nobleman there, too.
