Through dialogue before the Dark Ritual, you and Alistair can ask her about the baby's royal legitimacy.
She promises Alistair he won't have to worry about the child coming for the throne. Of course, this is Morrigan we're talking about, but I took her promise as genuine. I think she has bigger plans for her son than king of some backwater country that reeks of wet dog.
Ferelden is a backwater country! It's wholesome and practical. It's home and there is nooo place like home. 
He's got Calenhand's blood coursing through his veins if Alistair is the father, so....Yes!
I feel the same wa.y about the Warden and Hawke.
But ANYWAY, on topic: Also, remember that Morrigan has apparently insinuated herself into the Orlesian courts. The kid might be a nobleman there, too.
Well I'm glad you two guys aren't making decisions for Bioware then. You'd make poor decisions for DAI.
KC_Prototype, on 01 May 2014 - 7:58 PM, said:He's got Calenhand's blood coursing through his veins if Alistair is the father, so....Yes!
Alistair's son wouldn't be prince. He would just a be a bastard, no different than any other child born out of wedlock and not entitled to inherit the throne following Alistar's death. The exception would be if Alistair officially recognized him as his legitimate heir. Whether or not bastards inherited rank and title in the medieval era (on which Thedas is loosely based) depended on whether or not their royal or noble fathers recognized them as legitimate.
Why won't people understand that the OGB cannot ever play a significant role in the series given that he doesn't exists in many players' games and Gaider has confirmed that they will not retcon his existence?
Alistair's son wouldn't be prince. He would just a be a bastard, no different than any other child born out of wedlock and not entitled to inherit the throne following Alistar's death. The exception would be if Alistair officially recognized him as his legitimate heir. Whether or not bastards inherited rank and title in the medieval era (on which Thedas is loosely based) depended on whether or not their royal or noble fathers recognized them as legitimate.
I don't understand why people keep saying this given Alistair can take the throne on his own without marrying Anora, and his father never recognized him. In cases where there's no legitimate heir, an illigitimate one will do.
If Alistair becomes king without wedding Anora it is because he seizes the throne by force, not because he is a legitimate heir. Might makes right.
Alistair *isn't* a prince and neither is the OGB.
No one ever said that he should play a significant role, only that he plays a role.
Having him be the King of Ferelden doesn't mean he has a significant role in the series.
I agree that it doesn't mean that he has to play a significant role. I was responding to comments like these:
I agree that I doubt that's what Morrigan has planned anyway, but it might be an interesting plot point in DA4:Rise of the God Child ™
So, yeah, people are claiming that he will play a significant role at some point. There have been about two dozen posts like this over the past week.
I don't understand why people keep saying this given Alistair can take the throne on his own without marrying Anora, and his father never recognized him. In cases where there's no legitimate heir, an illigitimate one will do.
Yes, but it doesn't make him "a prince". Again, just being the son of a king doesn't make you a prince. You can inherit or seize a throne without being a legitimate heir. This kid, if he even exists, isn't a prince, regardless of who his father is.
Yes, but it doesn't make him "a prince". Again, just being the son of a king doesn't make you a prince. You can inherit or seize a throne without being a legitimate heir. This kid, if he even exists, isn't a prince, regardless of who his father is.
This.
The OGB would be a prince only if Alistair formally recognized him as his legitimate son and made him a prince, otherwise he's just the bastard son of an apostate swamp witch and a commoner with no right to inherit. And even if Alistair were to recognize him as a legitimate son, any children born of his marriage with Anora (or a Queen Consort Warden) would be before the OGB in the line of succession, even though they are younger.
The only scenarios in which the OGB could gain the throne of Ferelden is if Alistair recognized him as legitimate (probably unlikely) and he was Alistair's sole child, or other children ahead in the line of succession died or were eliminated, or Alistair dies without a legal heir and the bastard through blood and charisma manages to rally an army to support his claim to throne. In the latter scenario he'd probably have to first defeat rival claimants.
what is this obsession with the possible OGB
what is this obsession with the possible OGB
Because Morrigan is in the game.
Because Morrigan is in the game.
I know but there's been like 10 threads about the OGB in the past 2 weeks.
I know but there's been like 10 threads about the OGB in the past 2 weeks.
Some of those were troll threads, though.
Some of those were troll threads, though.
Yeah but stiiiiiilllllllllllllllllllllll
OGB wasn't even a definite thing
If Alistair becomes king without wedding Anora it is because he seizes the throne by force, not because he is a legitimate heir. Might makes right.
Alistair can be recognized as king by the Landsmeet even without Anora's support. Are you saying the Landsmeet is violating the law? Anyway, the only person using force in that event is Loghain.
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All of them need to go imo.
Loghain had it right. This whole idea of royal bloodlines and heirs is outdated traditionalism, espoused by old fools like Eamon. I hope by the time the OGB (if they even exist) grows up, Ferelden won't give a **** if he's "Theirin" blood or not. They deserve a better system of government entirely.
Why won't people understand that the OGB cannot ever play a significant role in the series given that he doesn't exists in many players' games and Gaider has confirmed that they will not retcon his existence?
I don't buy into that. He definitely could play a significant role. It just wont be easy for Bioware.
You design his character as the OGB for players who went down that road. For every one else, you give him a back story and such that is similar to the OGB but never makes mention of him being that. It can be done.
Alistair can be recognized as king by the Landsmeet even without Anora's support. Are you saying the Landsmeet is violating the law? Anyway, the only person using force in that event is Loghain.
Ferelden is more of an elective monarchy than an hereditary one. Rulers are voted in by the Landsmeet.
if Alister and/or Anora die(they officially will never have any childrens) so Connor(or his sister if you killed Connor) would be a new rightful heir of the Ferelden throne..at least he/she must be but the time will show
this is why i sacrifice Isolda so Connor wil have the best education(and magic education) in Thedas what he can find and do not have any(especially bad) Orlais and Orlais Chantry influence
But Connor is definitely a mage and can't inherit no matter what? Unless we're thinking of different Connors, but I think we're both talking about Eamon's son.
The OGB might not be a mage (he probably is, but it isn't definite) but if he isn't I see the only real obstacle being his status as a bastard.
if Alister and/or Anora die(they officially will never have any childrens) so Connor(or his sister if you killed Connor) would be a new rightful heir of the Ferelden throne..at least he/she must be but the time will show
Mage can't rule and the Guerrins have no claims to the throne anyway, they are not descendents of the Theirin.
The Cousland (could be all dead) and the Dryden do have claims to the thrones though.
But Connor is definitely a mage and can't inherit no matter what? Unless we're thinking of different Connors, but I think we're both talking about Eamon's son.
The OGB might not be a mage (he probably is, but it isn't definite) but if he isn't I see the only real obstacle being his status as a bastard.
after Blight, DA2 and Asunder noone care about Orlais and Orlais Chantry with Templars(who was exiled form Ferelden and Cirlce was free from Chantry) laws anymore so yeah he can be a king especially because Eamon is the only one who have the real power in Ferelden after blight and because many especially now will support a mage(but he can hire that he is mage because not many know about it) king what makes kingdom stronger
ogb will be a mage and dreamer because of powerfull soul and his mother and he have nothing exept that his father is Alister what noone exept 2-3 peoples in all Thedas who know about it and the only 1(our GW) of them can possibly see this child and know that he is a Alister child but he/she is cant claim that he is Alister child and even our puppet king Alister cant do this
Ferelden is an elective monarchy only when there is no direct heir to the throne, otherwise there would've been a vote when Cailan was made king. The country places a lot of importance on royal blood. One can become a candidate as long as he/she is recognized as an heir to the throne. Alistair was recognized through Arl Eamon, and with the Landsmeet approval, he became king. So it's probable that while the dragon kid needs his father or someone very important like Arl Eamon to vouch for him to even be a candidate to the throne, as long as he's recognized, his blood will carry a lot more weight than any other noble.
Having said that, Alistair on his own would never have become king. A lot of nobles owed the Warden(or lost the fight at the Landsmeet) and everyone knew he/she was needed. So if one day OGC was to show up in the throne room and start kicking the wall, the guard would throw him out without question.
Unless of course he shows up like this:
Why won't people understand that the OGB cannot ever play a significant role in the series given that he doesn't exists in many players' games and Gaider has confirmed that they will not retcon his existence?
He can play a significant role. He can't play a PIVOTAL role, since he doesn't exist in some playthroughs.
Mage can't rule and the Guerrins have no claims to the throne anyway, they are not descendents of the Theirin.
The Cousland (could be all dead) and the Dryden do have claims to the thrones though.
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