Fergus always survives.
yeah and he have nothing exept that his father was teyrn(what was elected by kings) and was have lands, money and soldiers so after blight he have nothing to be a king
so if fergus really survive he would not be more than bann or some minor arl with nothing and this is no match for others
yeah and he have nothing exept that his father was teyrn(what was elected by kings) and was have lands so he have nothing to be a king
so if fergus really survive he would be more than bann or some minor arl with nothing and this is no match for others
Uhm... He would be Teyrn of Highever... Highever is a Teyrnir and Fergus would be next in line of succession after his father. I am not saying that Fergus would have a chance, or even desire, to become King. I am saying that Fergus would not be "minor nobelity".
yeah and he have nothing exept that his father was teyrn(what was elected by kings) and was have lands so he have nothing to be a king
so if fergus really survive he would be more than bann or some minor arl with nothing and this is no match for others
No, Fergus always survives and he ALWAYS becomes the Teyrn of Highever, Teyrns are not elected by Kings, it is a hereditary title, much more so than the KIng, in fact.
So, he is not some Bann or a minor Arl , he is the second most powerful man in the entire country.
Edit : Ninja'd by the Ninja Emperor 
No, Fergus always survives and he ALWAYS becomes the Teyrn of Highever, Teyrns are not elected by Kings, it is a hereditary title, much more so than the KIng, in fact.
So, he is not some Bann or a minor Arl , he is the second most powerful man in the entire country.
Edit : Ninja'd by the Ninja Emperor
In antiquity, Teyrns arose from among the Banns, having grown powerful enough to move lesser Banns to swear fealty to them. There used to be many more teyrnirs before the rise of Calenhad, but he downsized them during his war for the throne.[1] In modern Ferelden there are only two teyrnirs; Gwaren in the south and Highever in the north. Teyrns are still owed fealty by vassals of both Arl and Bann ranks, whom they may call upon in the event of war or disaster. However they are also responsible for lending aid to them when needed. In modern times a king or a queen has the right to name a teyrn.
Fergus have nothing exept the title even if he get this title he would be a puppet to Eamon and as teyrn he does not have any right and opportunities to become a king himself and he does not have childrens..i am not talking that fergus is weak himself to fight for becoming a king so as other Couslands he would be a loyal dog for the Ferelden throne
Alistair can be recognized as king by the Landsmeet even without Anora's support. Are you saying the Landsmeet is violating the law? Anyway, the only person using force in that event is Loghain.
I'm saying that Alistair isn't a prince. He has no royal title and nothing more than a bastard who was never legitimized. That means he has no legal right to inherit. A misconception that keeps popping up in this thread is that in fuedal socieities blood was all that mattered and that descent from a king automatically made someone a prince. That actually wasn't the case. Short of war or violence bastards only inherited when they were legitimized by their noble or royal fathers and there were no remaining children born legitimate who were before them in the line of succession. A bastard who was never legitimized was not considered a legal heir. In fact a common word used for bastards at the time was whoreson, which says a lot about how they were viewed.
Alistair can be declared king by the landsmeet of course, but that is after a civil war in which Loghain was ultimately the loser. Alistair is not declared king because he is the rightful monarch; he's declared king because his rivals have been eliminated. It is an example of might making right.
To be clear I'm not saying that Alistair was in the wrong. Obviously Loghain was the story's villain, rather than Alistair. I'm just saying that Alistair wasn't a prince, and he couldn't have inherited without a civil war and his claim being backed by the military might of Arl Eamon and the Couslands (potentially), among the other arls and banns that raised his banner. The same would also hold true for a royal OGB. He would have no royal title or legal right of inheritance and would be considered a commoner, unless officially recognized by King Alistair and legitimized.
In antiquity, Teyrns arose from among the Banns, having grown powerful enough to move lesser Banns to swear fealty to them. There used to be many more teyrnirs before the rise of Calenhad, but he downsized them during his war for the throne.[1] In modern Ferelden there are only two teyrnirs; Gwaren in the south and Highever in the north. Teyrns are still owed fealty by vassals of both Arl and Bann ranks, whom they may call upon in the event of war or disaster. However they are also responsible for lending aid to them when needed. In modern times a king or a queen has the right to name a teyrn.
Fergus have nothing exept the title even if he get this title he would be a puppet to Eamon and as teyrn he does not have any right and opportunities to become a king himself and he does not have childrens..i am not talking that fergus is weak himself to fight for becoming a king so as other Couslands he would be a loyal dog for the Ferelden throne
The King or Queen has the right to name a New teyrn, as with the case of Logain, but no Monarch will be as stupid as to just take the ancestral lands from the oldest and one of the most powerful family in the Country and give to their dog walker. Especially in a country like Fereldan, where the Monarch does not have the absolute authority.
And why would a Teyrn be a puppet to an Arl, even if it is the most powerful Arl, It is has been stated that the Couslands are one of the most respected family, and if there is a living scion of that family, he will most certainly receive all the lands and titles that are rightfully his.. Fergus may not have any children right now, but at least he is not sterile, unlike our dear old Alistair, Fergus will become the teyrn regardless of your Warden' origin, the Witch Hunt DLC proves that.
http://dragonage.wik...he_Mabari_Hound
However you are right about one thing though, He would most likely be a Theirin Royalist just like his father, And would not even consider becoming King as long as there is a living member of the Calenhad bloodline.
However, consider this, If you made Alistair the King, then he will most likely be unable to produce an heir, and will have to answer his calling in 15-30 years, at that time Arl Eamon will be surely dead, and Fergus would have remarried and would have probably produced an heir. At that time he would have become the most powerful noble in the Country, So, who will fill the role of the King when Alistair answers his calling? Fergus!
Well, that's how it goes in my headcanon, anyway.
The OBG can have three different types of royal heritage:Alistair's Theirin bloodline, The Cousland bloodline or the heritage of house Aeducan.
Edited: Nevermind you were saying the same thing.
Why do you pursue this line of argument? He is a prince regardless of whether or not Alistair has another child(which I highly doubt would happen but whatever). Being a prince and being an heir to the throne are two different things, the latter would change depending on circumstance as seen in Origins. Of course, if Alistair has a child of his son, then obviously he would not have a claim to the throne.
But just as Cailan died without any heirs, granting Alistair as strong a claim to the throne as Anora(which allowed Arl Eamon to call the Landsmeet and present a candidate in the first place), the bastard will have a claim if Alistair does not sire any children before he dies. Whether or not he gains support from the nobles and becomes king afterwards is a different matter.
I would think he had as much right to claim the throne as Alistair, both are bastard sons, neither are acknowledged by their fathers. He would just need a strong backer and proof. That is if he isn't a mage then as said before he would stand no chance.
I would think he had as much right to claim the throne as Alistair, both are bastard sons, neither are acknowledged by their fathers. He would just need a strong backer and proof. That is if he isn't a mage then as said before he would stand no chance.
The way Ferelden works, everyone needs strong backers. You are right about proof, so yes, either there is someone who can prove yours is the royal blood or you are screwed, royally. If they can prove that, Landsmeet, if not, civil war(that is if you have the army to fight the nobles). I'm just saying that there is a claim born from blood, it is a ticket to having a chance at the throne, not the throne itself.
The King or Queen has the right to name a New teyrn, as with the case of Logain, but no Monarch will be as stupid as to just take the ancestral lands from the oldest and one of the most powerful family in the Country and give to their dog walker. Especially in a country like Fereldan, where the Monarch does not have the absolute authority.
And why would a Teyrn be a puppet to an Arl, even if it is the most powerful Arl, It is has been stated that the Couslands are one of the most respected family, and if there is a living scion of that family, he will most certainly receive all the lands and titles that are rightfully his.. Fergus may not have any children right now, but at least he is not sterile, unlike our dear old Alistair, Fergus will become the teyrn regardless of your Warden' origin, the Witch Hunt DLC proves that.
http://dragonage.wik...he_Mabari_Hound
However you are right about one thing though, He would most likely be a Theirin Royalist just like his father, And would not even consider becoming King as long as there is a living member of the Calenhad bloodline.
However, consider this, If you made Alistair the King, then he will most likely be unable to produce an heir, and will have to answer his calling in 15-30 years, at that time Arl Eamon will be surely dead, and Fergus would have remarried and would have probably produced an heir. At that time he would have become the most powerful noble in the Country, So, who will fill the role of the King when Alistair answers his calling? Fergus!
Well, that's how it goes in my headcanon, anyway.
I agree Fergus will most likely remarry and have children. Even if he didn't want to it would be his duty to keep the family name alive. That would make him one of the best candidates to become king when Alistair dies.
If this OGB does show up for the throne (I doubt he would) he could be a mage and there are very few people who know of his existence. I guess we will see what Bioware does but I wouldn't be surprised if the throne eventually goes to the Couslands in all situations, it would make sense.
Fergus Cousland is the second most important person in the kingdom after the monarch - the codex says this. I always assumed this was why Anora was willing to consider my Cousland Warden as a suitable consort and why he might feel he was as entitled to pitch for the throne as Alistair, more so since Alistair clearly stated he did not like being in a leadership role and had always deferred to the Warden. So if Alistair fails to produce a legitimate heir, there will be a Landsmeet of suitable candidates and Fergus would be at the head of these.
Alistair will not recognise Morrigan's baby as his own. He specifically made her promise that doing the deal with her would not have future adverse effects for Ferelden and I took that to mean specifically "don't come looking to claim the throne".
So basically any claim would be made on the word of an apostate mage. Of course, Morrigan might try and use the ruler of Orlais to back their claim but that would still mean going to war in order to seize the throne.
Plus the OGB is only Alistair's in a few run throughs, either where the Warden is female or a male Warden can't bring themselves to do the deed. In fact Alistair can be the father even though he is not king. My elf Warden opted for Anora so she could keep Alistair in the Wardens with her, since that is what he said he wanted, and then persuaded him to sleep with Morrigan because she guessed that otherwise he would insist on sacrificing himself. So in this instance the OGB would be a bastard son of a bastard who never even claimed the throne.
Hmmm... I have a save file where King Alistair did the Dark Ritual, and another one where Prince-Consort Cousland had a child with Morrigan outside the Dark Ritual.The OBG can have three different types of royal heritage:Alistair's Theirin bloodline, The Cousland bloodline or the heritage of house Aeducan.
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