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[Zubi Fett]

Hello,

 

Recently Disney made official the removal of the entire expanded universe of the official canon with the exception of the 3D show recently cancel.

 

I would like to know your opinion about it as well as of the issue I'm about to present, I'll first present it and then I'll give my own opinion.

 

Independently from your thoughts about if it is a good thing or a bad thing there is now an issue for any fan of SW; can you trust what you see is canon? If EA puts out a great game with a fantastic history about SW, will you enjoy it knowing that tomorrow might be say "It is not canon"?

 

Again, independently of our thoughts about it, they have put out all of this out of the canon to suit there needs for the new movies but nothing will stop them from doing so on the future again or better say, there is no way for you to know what to take serios out of the movies from future products.

 

What are your feelings in this regard?

 

Now my opinion about Disneys decision:

 

From one size, I must say I'm glad. The main plot out of one of the biggest books who explain what happens after the movie was something I did truly dislike, for example.

 

From the other I do not. There are some great stories that I'm sure will probably never conflict what is going to be seen on the movies or with what people expect from Star Wars.

 

However, this is fault of LucasArt since they did accept absolutely everything for making money out of it, and the EU is full of way too many things, it will a massive project to go thru all of it to selectively pick which things are safe and which are not. Lets face it, it is full of great things but it is also full of things a lot of people will truly dislike. 

 

But I do think they might have gone too far. I've never read any comics or books of SW but I've play some games and heard enough of others. So for instance, one of the very few history games I've really play from the SW gaming franchise, Republic Commando; I did truly enjoy this game, I loved it. The history was great to put you in the suit of a commando, a clone part of the war. But this history DID NOT bring things too far, it was a history part of the war but it didn't take things to the next level, it was not a key thing to the entire franchise.

 

But the next, the other one I played did commit such mistake. Star Wars The force unleashed; I did like the game and the story, however it did take thing to far(spoilers ahead) as this game did present mayor acts from Darth Vader and did in fact present the beginning of the rebellion. The history facts of it are quite big, such a direct rebellion of Vader agains his master prior to the movies is a huge thing and so it is to explain the origin of the rebellion on its own. And that is what I call "bringing thing too far", any future game, show or movie will truly have to depend on it. And a video game cannot define the mayor expression of the franchise, the movies.

It is also something not every one will like and it is a major thing to be accepted. If you don't like Republic Comando, what's the deal? In does not define the story of the franchise neither affects the main plot.

 

So it is understandable to take such out of the canon but, how does Republic Commando stand as a threat to the movies? This is where I think they have take things too far. A project to look over the histories of the mayor EU projects to see which ones do fit on the standard I mentioned is merely easy, as the most ambitious projects and known products of the EU are a few.

 

But... why accept some of this products out of the canon because they say so if they never enter in conflict with the movies? A KOTOR game will probably never do so, why wouldn't it be canon for you?

 

If you're still reading, what do you think of what I said? I'll truly like to see if you agree with it or not.

 

Thank you very much!

 

(By the way, I'm truly surprise that the show is cannon, there are three episodes in a row which truly strikes at what SW is, I think they've not seen them. But well, I doubt they'll take in consideration anything from this show).

[Thomas Andresen]

To me, what is "canon" or not does not matter one bit. What matters to me is whether I find the story I'm currently consuming enjoyable or not.

I'm also not inclined to assuming the worst in general. There is enough in the world to get depressed over without doing that.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I like that most of the EU is not canon anymore, it means we might get another KOTOR game thats not a crappy mmo or even better we might get a Revan movie.

[Vortex13]

Eh, I have never really gotten into the EU; way too much over glorification of Forces users and Mandalorians IMO.

[Mr.House]

I like that most of the EU is not canon anymore, it means we might get another KOTOR game thats not a crappy mmo or even better we might get a Revan movie.

No thank you, Revan was a overrated Mary Sue, hopefully we never hear about him again. Now if it was a Exile movie and well casted.....

[mybudgee]

This thread is bad & you should feel bad

[Han Shot First]

I have mixed feelings about it. Some of the EU was awful and I'm glad to see it go. Galen Malek in particular I'm happy to see obliterated from the canon. 

 

On the other hand there were some great stories that I'm sad to see rendered non-canon. The Thrawn Trilogy for example, or KOTOR...

[Senya]

They cannot make Revan uncanon. Revan makes them uncanon.

 

In all seriousness, there were quite a lot of good things in the Expanded Universe, though there were some subpar parts. I'm sad to hear them start over, but I hope they handle the New Expanded Universe well.

[Zubi Fett]

They cannot make Revan uncanon. Revan makes them uncanon.

 

In all seriousness, there were quite a lot of good things in the Expanded Universe, though there were some subpar parts. I'm sad to hear them start over, but I hope they handle the New Expanded Universe well.

But, aren't you afraid that this new EU might suffer the same destiny? 

[Senya]

But, aren't you afraid that this new EU might suffer the same destiny? 

Yeah. I am. I try to be optimistic. The only other option is life without Star Wars.

[Han Shot First]

I hope the new EU doesn't have dark side characters being redeemed left, right, and center like the old EU. That was supposed to be an exceedingly rare event, which is why no one except Luke thought it was possible with Vader.

 

"Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware. Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny."

[Drone223]

Hopefully it won't affect the KOTOR 1&2 storylines (wished KOTOR 3 was made instead of the mmo, unfortunately its too late for that).

[In Exile]

 

Independently from your thoughts about if it is a good thing or a bad thing there is now an issue for any fan of SW; can you trust what you see is canon? If EA puts out a great game with a fantastic history about SW, will you enjoy it knowing that tomorrow might be say "It is not canon"?

 

I don't care about cannon. The fact that I read a great story - or play a great game - that exists only within its own continuity is irrelevant to me. That the Thrawn trilogy no longer exists as "cannon" doesn't somehow reach back in time and erase how much I enjoyed reading it, in the same way that the (IMO) garbage that followed it cannon-wise doesn't reach back and erase it. 

 

 

Again, independently of our thoughts about it, they have put out all of this out of the canon to suit there needs for the new movies but nothing will stop them from doing so on the future again or better say, there is no way for you to know what to take serios out of the movies from future products.

 

The thing to take away from the movie is whether or not I enjoyed the movie. Frankly, if after the last three prequels Lucas just straight up said "Yeah, looking back, all these were crap so let's pretend that didn't happen we'd all be better off. 

 

 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Please use this topic:

 

http://forum.bioware...wars-episode-7/

 

We have more than enough parallel topics right now.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

No

[DeathNyx]

What to say? As a fan of the EU i'm really disappointed. 

[Vortex13]

Its all rather moot anyway. 

 

Who's to say that, years down the line, some producer won't green light a reboot of the franchise? If we get future-Hollywood remakes of the Original Trilogy, does that mean the the old lore is no longer considered canon?

[Zubi Fett]

I don't care about cannon. The fact that I read a great story - or play a great game - that exists only within its own continuity is irrelevant to me. That the Thrawn trilogy no longer exists as "cannon" doesn't somehow reach back in time and erase how much I enjoyed reading it, in the same way that the (IMO) garbage that followed it cannon-wise doesn't reach back and erase it. 

 

 

The thing to take away from the movie is whether or not I enjoyed the movie. Frankly, if after the last three prequels Lucas just straight up said "Yeah, looking back, all these were crap so let's pretend that didn't happen we'd all be better off. 

I envy you with that. I'm truly picky with the canon making sense, I'll try to have your words on mind for the future

[Sifr]

I can see why they want to remove the EU, since it was often was far better written or more interesting than what we got in the films. From a movie making standpoint, no-one wants to make a movie while secretly admitting that the Episode I-VI era was dull as sin, while the Old Republic era was seven shades of awesome in comparison.

 

Still, one benefit is we can ignore all of the lore about the Mandalorians. Much like the Klingons in Star Trek, they are an interesting culture in theory, but often came across as one dimensional when you actually spend too much time dealing with them. This is part of why I like the Qunari in Dragon Age, as they aren't a generic warrior race that seek honour or glory above all else. The Qunari are just people with a truly alien morality system and way of viewing the world, with deep convictions and motivations that border on being incomprehensible at times. The Klingons would invade your world for glory, the Mandalorians to test themselves, but the Qunari invade because they honestly believe that they're doing it for your own benefit.

 

On the other hand, I'm kind of annoyed that we'll never see a Revan or Exile movie, because that would be far more entertaining that continuing after RotJ. As much as I like the original trilogy, everyone's story was done and I really don't care to find out what happened afterwards...

 

Well, not unless reality ensued and we learn that there was an Endor Holocaust, the Empire is still around and now in a state of Civil War, with various Imperial officers attempting to take control in the power vacuum left after the Emperor's death and that the Rebel Alliance is unfortunately being blamed by the public at large for causing the current galaxy wide conflict.

 

As much as I love Star Wars, the prequel films made me deeply cynical about the universe and the future of the franchise in general. And especially because we're doing Episode VII, since the happy ending of Jedi completely falls apart when you stop to think about it for more than a few minutes.

[In Exile]

I envy you with that. I'm truly picky with the canon making sense, I'll try to have your words on mind for the future

 

I should say the only caveat is when something in a series wrecks a previous entry. So for me, ME3's endings do wreck ME1-ME2, but that's because it's all really "one" story that culminates in the end. 

[felipejiraya]

Are not people overreacting a bit because of the EU? They said everything after Episode VI is in limbo now but they didn't say nothing about the status of the EU before or concurrent with the movies.

 

And the limbo of the old EU don't preclude the creation of a new one in the guidelines of the new trilogy.

[KT Chong]

"Disney has altered the canon.  Pray Disney does not alter it any further."