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[The Sauce of Awesome]

I'm gonna go and take a wild guess, here, but:

 

Cullen: Straight LI, based on his interactions with Fem!Amell...unless he goes and pulls a Kaidan in this game.

 

Vivienne: Non-romancable, cause I just can't see it. But if romancable, then bi, because...Orlesian.

Varric: Non-romancable, unless race-specific. In that case, he's the straight LI for all those Fem!Dwarves out there...and the Qunari.

Cole: Non-romancable, cause same as Vivienne, I can't see it.

Solas: Bisexual LI, based on that he's the only Man!Elf in the party, barring Man!Elfquisitor, and fans would probably complain otherwise.

Cassandra: Straight LI, based on her comments about Man!Hawke being so hunky. That, and I can't see her being bi.

 

Iron Bull: Bisexual LI, cause why not?

 

DHMG: Straight LI, can't really see him being anything else, TBH. That or he is straight but is willing to be romanced by another man only if his mustache is more glorious than his.
 

Sera: Gay LI. Like the OP, I feel as if she's the Tali 2.0 character, but instead of being exclusive to the guys, Sera's the opposite.

 

Leliana: Non-romancable, based on the possibility of her being romanced by the Warden. That and my Fem!Cousland will slit the Inquisitor's throat if they pull any moves on her girl. She's a little into the whole revenge thing, you see.

Scribbles: Bisexual LI. Everyone's saying she's going to be Traynor 2.0, but don't want her being exclusive to women. As much as I loved Traynor, I agree on this.

And finally, Feathers: Gay LI, because which fellow doesn't want to snuggle up with a massive, hairy bear of a man with what I assume is a great sense of humour?

[efd731]

Slightly disappointed that the characters aren't "playersexual" again, would've cut down on the complaining in the long run. However, as long as cole isn't romanceable, and Cassandra likes guys, I'll be pleased.

[dragondreamer]

My guesses.  

 

Cullen - straight

Solas - bi

Mr Mustache - gay

 

Cassandra - bi

Sera - straight

Scribe girl - lesbian

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Slightly disappointed that the characters aren't "playersexual" again, would've cut down on the complaining in the long run.

Yeah. 

[Andraste_Reborn]

I sincerely doubt we're getting more than six romances. If they were going with playersexual, I'd think it would only be four, but if there are going to be straight, gay and bi options then six seems to be the minimum. My guesses:

 

Straight: Cassandra and Solas

 

Gay: Sera and DHMG/Dorian

 

Bisexual: Cullen and Scribbles

 

Pure speculation, of course. I'm expecting the NPCs to be the bisexual options, but it's possible that Cullen and Scribbles are straight and Cassandra and ... whoever ... are the bisexual ones.

 

Personally, I'd prefer Varric, Iron Bull and the Grey Warden, but I don't think any of them will be romances. In all their fantasy CRPGs, BioWare have only ever written human and elven love interests. (Except Valen Shadowsbreath, and Tieflings are half-human.) I would like to be pleasantly surprised, but I'm not expecting to be. The Grey Warden seems too mature, and I don't think Vivienne will be available either. If the blond rogue is indeed Cole, he's certainly off the table.

[jellobell]

Worst-Case Scenario:

 

Straight: Cass, Cullen

Bi: Grey Warden, Sera

Gay: Scribe Girl, Solas

 

Not into either Cullen or Grey Warden. Cullen because he's an NPC and I don't do NPCs, and Grey Warden looks like he'd be a fun father figure or mentor type but he's too old for my planned inquisitor. However, I highly doubt that Grey Warden is an LI. I think he's gonna be Duncan-ish, maybe like a male Wynne. Also I doubt that Bioware would give straight female inquisitors a choice between two warrior dudes. Also Cass being straight would suck.

 

Best-Case Scenario:

 

Bi: Cullen (NPC extra), Solas, Cass

Straight: Varric, Sera

Gay: Viv, Dorian

 

I'd be sad that I wouldn't be able to romance Dorian, but my two favourites have always been Solas and Varric, so I'd accept the trade-off. I highly doubt that there'll be any racial restrictions if they're doing sexuality restrictions as well, but I can see Varric only being available for Dwarven Inquisitors. Perhaps with Cullen to balance that out. Though ideally he'd be available to my Kossith Inquisitor. As for Cullen, I think they announced him alongside Cassandra because his VA had already spilled the beans. If the NPC romance is similar to the ones in ME3 then I can see him being included as a result of his very vocal supporters, rather than as one of the main romances.

 

What I think will actually happen:

 

Bi: Cullen, Scribe Girl

Gay: Dorian, Sera

Straight: Solas, Cass

 

If they're counting NPC romances then Scribe Girl is probably going to be Cullen's counterpart. And to make the whole NPC thing more fair they're probably going to be the bisexual romances, so everyone gets a choice between one companion and one NPC. As long as I'm able to romance Solas with a femquisitor I'll be satisfied, and if that doesn't happen then I'm probably going to get to romance Dorian which isn't a bad trade-off.

[HK-90210]

I'm surprised how many people think DHMG/Dorian is going to be a gay LI. Bisexual, I can certainly see. But he seems like he's tailored for the ladies as well. I'll say this: If he is a gay LI, I have a few FemInquisitors who will probably be very heartborken. That, or DHMG will turn out to be a really terrible character. But I doubt that. He's the most intriguing out of the new characters in this game. To me, anyway.

[aluanira]

Assuming there are 6 romances, these are my guesses:

 

Cassandra - Straight

Solas - Straight

Scribbles - Gay

DHMG - Gay

Sera - Bi

Cullen - Bi

 

I have my fingers crossed for the Grey Warden being a LI. He'd be my first choice. I think Iron Bull would be a really interesting choice too. 

[Deviija]

I'm surprised how many people think DHMG/Dorian is going to be a gay LI. 

 

I think a great deal of that speculation comes from the numbers game and elimination of contenders.  Like, because Cullen expressed interest in a Lady Warden in Origins, many assume he will be heterosexual.  And because in every Dragon Age game so far, elven LIs have been bisexual (so that means Solas).  Unlikely choices are Warden, Iron Bull, Cole, and that just about leaves DHMG as the remaining likely candidate to be an LI.  Since hetero and bi are used for Cullen and Solas, that leaves gay and DHMG.  

 

Doesn't mean this is how it truly will be in the game, of course.  Just that this may likely be the common puzzling out that folks have done.

[HK-90210]

Fair points, Deviija. At this point, it does feel like a numbers game. In the past two games, there were 4 LIs within the party(Well, 5 in DA2 if you include Sebastian's 'romance'). There's bound to be more in this game due to the non-party characters. The thing is, I just don't think they will make Varric and Iron Bull non-romancable by Dwarves and Qunari, respectively. One of my least favorite things about DA:O was that a dwarf Warden had no dwarf LIs available. Pretty sure I wasn't alone in that. Hopefully Bioware noticed.

[Deviija]

Indeed, there were no dwarf LIs.  Not to mention it'd be nice to have a Lady Dwarf and Lady Qunari (full-game) companion in general after three games of none, too.  

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think a great deal of that speculation comes from the numbers game and elimination of contenders.

 

Yeah, this is absolutely why I think DHMG/Dorian will be the gay LI. We only have limited information to go on here, so it still could be Solas. Or, less likely IMHO, the Grey Warden or Iron Bull. I don't think there's any way Cullen will be gay - bisexual is definitely possible, but the one and only thing we know about his sexual preferences is that he had a crush on the female mage PC in Origins. Varric's the same.

[GDog89]

Straight : Cassandra , Varric, Bready GW

Bi : Sera, Cullen, Vievenne

Gay : Scribe, Dorian, Solas

[Divine Justinia V]

watch the system be completely off from what everyone thinks

[karushna5]

I'm surprised how many people think DHMG/Dorian is going to be a gay LI. Bisexual, I can certainly see. But he seems like he's tailored for the ladies as well. I'll say this: If he is a gay LI, I have a few FemInquisitors who will probably be very heartborken. That, or DHMG will turn out to be a really terrible character. But I doubt that. He's the most intriguing out of the new characters in this game. To me, anyway.

Yeah, I know, I get the numbers game but I feel the same honestly. The idea that Cassandra who said something Hawke did as Romantic(which she says for both genders) and then Varric teasing about a crush, and then her later kissing a guy on the cheek is very flimsy to make her straight, I mean, with that, she could be a lesbian with no retcon. Personally it seems they went out of their way so she could be Bi.

Cullen only had one crush that went nowhere when unexperianced. The idea that it would be a retcon or unrealistic to be bi is kinda ridiculous. Alistair, Morrigan, okay I get that, but Cullen and Cassandra are really easy to be Bi.

Varric I can definitely see as a case for hetero, I can even see a bit about Anders being a surprise. oghren? Yeah straight. But these two could easily be bi. It really confuses me that it seems like a tiny heteronormative interaction makes them straight forever. I mean I am a lesbian, and I have had 6 boyfriends. I didnt like having them, in fact half the time I didnt even realize I was in a relationship until half way through. But I mean tons of Gay/ Lesbian people actually try straight or think they are straight for awhile before realizing sometimes in an ephany or shock that the reason it doesnt work is you arent straight.

Now I say that, but I totally realize narratives dont work like that, because stories dont work like peoples lives. So in a story, you have to lay groundwork for every change or it seems sudden and doesnt "flow". Narrative sense of believable is often only a fraction of the realistic. Because, well, life is rarely as predictable as the movies and the realistic in life is usually unrealistic in narratives. But c'mon just a little leeway of what makes someone straight forever would be nice. You have no idea how many times you come out and people will look at you and say "but you had a crush/dating someone, you must be confused/going through a phase/dont know what you are talking about" I mean straight is so normative it can take a lot for Lesbian/ Gay/Bisexualpeople to realize they arent because everyone is.

[Ammonite]

Come to think of it, if Cullen was the straight option and Scribbles was the lesbian one, that'd relegate both npc romances to fem!quisitor...

[JadePrince]

Not many people seem to think we'll be able to romance Viv...

 

I'm wondering if anyone else thinks that Bioware finally giving us a black companion and then making her non-romance-able feels really kinda gross? Like, okay fiiiiine, we'll give you a dark-skinned companion, but we're only gonna let you romance the 'white' companions. :/ I mean, I guess it's possible we'll have the chance to romance Scribbles (the only other darker skinned character at that 12 person table), but seems like the general consensus is that she's gonna be an NPC rather than a companion (since she's one of the 3 without weapons).

 

I dunno, I'm really hoping Viv is a LI because otherwise it just feels questionable to me... thoughts?

[NoForgiveness]

Not many people seem to think we'll be able to romance Viv...

 

I'm wondering if anyone else thinks that Bioware finally giving us a black companion and then making her non-romance-able feels really kinda gross? Like, okay fiiiiine, we'll give you a dark-skinned companion, but we're only gonna let you romance the 'white' companions. :/ I mean, I guess it's possible we'll have the chance to romance Scribbles (the only other darker skinned character at that 12 person table), but seems like the general consensus is that she's gonna be an NPC rather than a companion (since she's one of the 3 without weapons).

 

I dunno, I'm really hoping Viv is a LI because otherwise it just feels questionable to me... thoughts?

 

I don't think and/or care enough about race(as in black/white not elf/human) for that to matter...... besides we had Isabela, she was sort of dark-ish

Modifié par Ratonhnhaketon01, 02 mai 2014 - 07:14 .

[Deviija]

 

I dunno, I'm really hoping Viv is a LI because otherwise it just feels questionable to me... thoughts?

 

I can understand where you're coming from with your thoughts.   Though on the other hand, black women are very fetishized and sexualized in our media in general, and making Vivienne non-romanceable might be a positive thing, especially considering the lack of black women -- let alone dark-skinned black women -- heroes/characters in the history of games.  It could be seen as a strong character to appreciate without the need of potential baggage that could arise with being a romance/sexy/making her romance an achievement score/etc.  

 

I am not against Vivi being an LI whatsoever, myself, as I think she is amazing, but it is something I've thought about.  Of course, the other thing is that the vast majority of the Inquisition roster is very pale/white, which makes the few minorities present stand up to a much higher scrutiny and regard and expectation.   

[HK-90210]

Not many people seem to think we'll be able to romance Viv...

 

I'm wondering if anyone else thinks that Bioware finally giving us a black companion and then making her non-romance-able feels really kinda gross? Like, okay fiiiiine, we'll give you a dark-skinned companion, but we're only gonna let you romance the 'white' companions. :/ I mean, I guess it's possible we'll have the chance to romance Scribbles (the only other darker skinned character at that 12 person table), but seems like the general consensus is that she's gonna be an NPC rather than a companion (since she's one of the 3 without weapons).

 

I dunno, I'm really hoping Viv is a LI because otherwise it just feels questionable to me... thoughts?

Well, the last time they made a black companion romancable, the priiiiiiize ensured. (Yes, I know that was the Mass Effect team, but still!)

 

But seriously, I don't find it all that bad. After all, Vivienne is looking like a plain awsome character from the get-go. She doesn't need to be romancable to be awsome. In fact, given what we know about her, the idea that she wouldn't be romancable would heighten my opinion of her character. It would bring home the fact that she is an ambitious woman, focused on power, prestige and making history. The fact that she wouldn't want to emotionally invest in a relationship makes sense, given what we know about her.

 

I guess what I'm saying is that Bioware seems to have made a character who would be weakened if they made her romancable, sheerly for the sake of having a dark-skinned LI. I can see where you're coming from, and I DO hope that Dragon Age will have a dark-skinned(As in Vivienne-dark, not just Isabela-dark) romance someday. But not with Vivienne, given what we know about her.

 

IMHO

[SurelyForth]

But making Vivienne unromanceable because she's "already awesome" is also not awesome, in that in falls into "Strong, Independent Woman Who Doesn't Need Love" territory. Black women tend to be overly sexualized or rendered asexual in popular media, and if they Aveline her because of her ambition or being "too good for the Inquisitor/love in general" it would be playing into the latter.

 

I mean, there is no reason why an ambitious or self-possessed person can't also love and want to be, or need to be, loved. That does not diminish their strength, or awesomeness, or render anyone less capable. We tend to remember this when it comes to white heroes and heroines, but not so much when it comes to WOC. 

[JadePrince]

I can understand where you're coming from with your thoughts.   Though on the other hand, black women are very fetishized and sexualized in our media in general, and making Vivienne non-romanceable might be a positive thing, especially considering the lack of black women -- let alone dark-skinned black women -- heroes/characters in the history of games.  It could be seen as a strong character to appreciate without the need of potential baggage that could arise with being a romance/sexy/making her romance an achievement score/etc.  

 

I am not against Vivi being an LI whatsoever, myself, as I think she is amazing, but it is something I've thought about.  Of course, the other thing is that the vast majority of the Inquisition roster is very pale/white, which makes the few minorities present stand up to a much higher scrutiny and regard and expectation.   

 

I see what you're saying, but I don't think it's problematic to have Viv be a LI if it is handled/written well. Sure if you/the game treats her as a 'conquest'... but I guess I have a little more faith in Bioware than that. You seem to be saying that being able to be in a romance with her somehow undermines her agency, her strength, her character. Why would that be any more true than any of the other characters? I can't honestly see the game suddenly betraying her personality for the sake of romance. I'd be all for romancing a Viv who stayed strong, in charge, and didn't take any **** from my Inquisitor, even as they began a relationship.

 

It's not really my place to fight this battle, because I'm not black, so I probably won't keep up this conversation too long, but here's another way to think of it:

 

For 'what-if' sake: If the game gave us a gay male companion (and if was the ONLY gay character in the line up), but then that character was non-romance-able because someone on the writing team was afraid of propagating the "gay men as promiscuous" stereotype, do you see how that would be a problem? For the sake of being "PC", you'd be denying your queer audience the chance to romance someone they can identify with.

 

I can only speculate, but I imagine there are POC gamers out there who would be very disappointed that the writers "being afraid to sexualize a black woman" prevented them from being able to engage in a romance with the only black companion available.

 

All that said, I gotta say, the super-pale companion lineup is a bit disappointing regardless of who you can or can't romance...

[Deviija]

I don't think it's problematic to have Viv be a LI if it is handled/written well. 

 

If it is handled/written well.  

 

 

 

You seem to be saying that being able to be in a romance with her somehow undermines her agency, her strength, her character.

 

No, I am not saying that.  At all.  Being in a romance itself is not an issue.  As I stated, I would be quite fine with Vivi being a romance option.  The potential issue, however, can come from the content in said romance, and how it is treated, and how Vivienne is treated.  The potential issue can also come from "sex as achievements," as in the game mechanic achievement, in which upon sex you see the achievement pop on your screen as reward for playing said romance.  Like in Origins and many other games.  Intentional or not, it sends a message.  

 

 

 

It's not really my place to fight this battle, 

 

There is no "battle" if you are referring to this discussion between you and I, which is what I am assuming since I am the only one quoted.  I certainly was never arguing or disagreeing with anything to prompt contention.  

 

 

I can only speculate, but I imagine there are POC gamers out there who would be very disappointed that the writers "being afraid to sexualize a black woman" prevented them from being able to engage in a romance with the only black companion available.

 

I am very uncertain how we went from the topic above to this.  I certainly never intimated anything near this train of commentary.  All I referenced is how I could potentially view something being seen as *if* Vivienne was not an LI.  This does not equate to "Vivienne being a romance option = bad," "Vivienne being a romance option = automatically sexualized," or "Vivenne not being a romance option = because writers were afraid of x, y, z."  I'll stop here, however, as I am becoming a bit wary.  

[Black Jimmy]

I'm guessing it's 2 companions per gender and 1 advisor per gender

 

I also think each will fall into straight, gay and bi.

 

For the fems:

Cassandra - Straight

Sera/Vivienne - Bi (I suspect it's Sera as she is a playful elf, but Vivienne would be a romance character we haven't really had before)

Scribbles - Gay

 

Ser Dashing Mustachio - Gay

Iron Bull - Bi

Cullen - Straight

 

If we get lucky and it's 3 companions each gender plus the advisors then I'm going to throw in Varric makle LIs and assumie it's Sera AND Vivienne but I can't see us getting eight romances

[mlgumm]

Oh, the magic of a 2/2/4 romance system, with 4 bi romances... That would be nice, but I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that we're getting 2/2/2.