The HoF doesn't have any special power that makes him inherently superior to any other GW in battle.
As for his friends, one just has to play it smart and prevent information from leaking out.
Major characters really do seem to be unreasonably powerful in this setting. The Wardens in Inquisition were mooks, and the HoF was capable of going through darkspawn seven at a time. Heck, the HoF was capable of taking down a Pride Abomination, and those are a threat even to the Templars.
Major characters really do seem to be unreasonably powerful in this setting. The Wardens in Inquisition were mooks, and the HoF was capable of going through darkspawn seven at a time. Heck, the HoF was capable of taking down a Pride Abomination, and those are a threat even to the Templars.
The Warden is made to be, from the start, a character of no small ability. Most made a name for themselves prior to the events of the game and the rest do through the course of their prologue. They are the level 20's while most are struggling to reach 5, or maybe 8 in the average Grey Wardens case.
That said, Inquisition jacked this up. There's always been a noticeable chasm between the writers, level designers, and artists in the Dragon Age games (see: how not subtle the Fade looks even though it regularly fools characters, or the Heart of Darkness story they went through in the Deep Roads with too many stretches between narrative content), and the Grey Warden battle was one of the greatest examples of that.
As to the topic, my character romanced Morrigan...but rejected her ritual. Loved her, yes, but also very duty-bound, and his duty was to kill the thing and make sure it wouldn't come back, no matter what.
What would be the inherent value in preserving the old god beside the inherent risks that his barely existence pose to the world?
Until now there are no negative effects from his removal beside the sacrifice of one warden but then again allow Loghain to return to be an hero of Ferelden shouldn't be so negative
Honestly the same reasons as Morrigan does for saving it. It's a unique part of the world and it seems a waste to let it be destroyed.
I also question how evil the Old Gods are and if they really should all be killed, whether its calling to the Darkspawn deliberately or if it's like a Mage attracting Demons by existing, and that its actions during the Blight are from being corrupted by the Blight (which turns everything into malicious beings out to destroy and corrupt everyone) and no one really knows what it is like uncorrupted. The most insight into an uncorrupted Old God is Kieran. Other than access to ancient knowledge and being as cryptic as Cole, he doesn't appear to be malicious to me. You'll probably bring up Lyrium giving him nightmares but I'd argue that Lyrium is addictive blood of a ancient rock being and few people should take it.
And I like Loghain's role in Inquisition the best out of the possible Warden allies in HLTA: either he dies saving my Inquisitor, Hawke, and most importantly, to me, the Order itself despite serving with them for 10 years but them never really seeing him as one of their own. Or he lives, ironically becomes leader of the Orlesian Wardens and maybe leads a rebellion against the Wardens at Weisshaupt.
I don't buy the argument that Urthemiel's soul needs to be preserved because it is a unique part of the world and it seems a waste to let it to be destroyed.
By that logic...
1) Why does Morrigan approve of the Warden defiling the Urn of Sacred Ashes. It is also a unique relic and it seems a waste to let it be perverted.
2) Why should we kill Flemeth ? If we strictly stick to Origins, Flemeth is a powerful witch capable of shapeshifting into a High Dragon and a large bird. She is also a unique part of the world. Yeah, she might want Morrigan's body for possession but surely if Morrigan is dedicate to preserving that which is unique and powerful, it should be a small price to pay.
There is also the obvious fact that Morrigan never explains the purpose of preserving Urthemiel's soul in clear detail as well as the reality that you are going to potentially bind and shackle an innocent child to a destiny that he never chose, which is to carry the soul.
Now some of you might say that we should do the ritual anyway because it will save your life ? Newsflash - The Warden is a dead man/woman walking. They are already serving a death sentence and they will die being turned into a ghoul or possibly worse. True, we learn in the Trespasser DLC that the Warden might have found a way to stop the Calling but that's DAI. In DAO, all you know is that a Warden will die a miserable death in the Deep Roads. So why not just go out by killing Urthemiel ?
Does this mean that you have to absolutely sacrifice your Warden. Of course not. You can let Alistair or Loghain do the killing blow instead. However, it is important to remember the fact that if you know how you are going to die and you know it will be very unpleasant, you won't see Heroic self sacrifice as a bad thing.
Everyone is going to die eventually (except Pre-Veil Elves cause they were actually immortal), how is that an argument? Either you die miserably in the Deep Roads or an old person who can't get out of bed; death is death but I'd rather live as long as I can. And you can meet Avernus in DAO, so the idea of studying the Blight and finding a way to contain or stop the corruption is there.
Morrigan only cares about her own power. She may claim otherwise, but actions speak louder than words. She approves of defiling the urn because by doing so you gain new allies and power (if I remember correctly).
My Warden never wanted to be a Grey Warden and always planned to eventually try and find a cure for the taint. Another headcanon come true. Also immortality is very much a possibility... Zathrian, Avernus, Flemeth and Corypheus are proof of that.
The HoF doesn't have any special power that makes him inherently superior to any other GW in battle.
Apparently not everyone are able to discern and understand that invincibility curtain due to being a protagonist during the course of a game does not equate into being the superior fighter of the world (look Hawe as soon as he wasn't the protagonist he got killed by a demon).
Major characters really do seem to be unreasonably powerful in this setting. The Wardens in Inquisition were mooks, and the HoF was capable of going through darkspawn seven at a time. Heck, the HoF was capable of taking down a Pride Abomination, and those are a threat even to the Templars.
I don't buy the argument that Urthemiel's soul needs to be preserved because it is a unique part of the world and it seems a waste to let it to be destroyed.
By that logic...
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why she promptly killed Abelas ,wasn't he an ancient being of more than 2000 years old with unique knowledge on the world and also a potential source of informations like the well of sorrow?He was not worthy to be preserved......
why she promptly killed Abelas ,wasn't he an ancient being of more than 2000 years old with unique knowledge on the world and also a potential source of informations like the well of sorrow?He was not worthy to be preserved......
Yeah, I almost forgot about this. I highly doubt Morrigan is interested in preserving the knowledge and artifact of the ancients. If she did, she would have become the female version of Genitivi or female version of Indiana Jones with magic or female version of Bram Kenric, all of which is well within her capacity to achieve.
Morrigan only cares about her own power. She may claim otherwise, but actions speak louder than words. She approves of defiling the urn because by doing so you gain new allies and power (if I remember correctly).
My Warden never wanted to be a Grey Warden and always planned to eventually try and find a cure for the taint. Another headcanon come true. Also immortality is very much a possibility... Zathrian, Avernus, Flemeth and Corypheus are proof of that.
Morrigan is out to gain power. However, like Flemeth said, she tends to go for things that are beyond her reach and ends up screwing herself in the process.
As for immortality, you have to understand that the either cost of achieving it is too great or that you have to be special. By special I mean you have to be an ancient Elf and by great cost I mean the Blight and Witherfang.
Am I the only one who struggles with this decision not because of shady ancient magic, but because it makes me/Alistair/Loghain seem like a deadbeat dad?
But why Alistair is more important than Hawke?
one is a GW who spent 10 years with the taint,the other is an untainted and popular person with high life expectancy,oh well i never killed my Hawke for the other GW
That's following the rule of DA.Any organization or set of characters that aren't directed tied to your character and your inner circle of friends will always be made out to look clueless and incompetent. It's how it goes in Bioware games.
Since The Warden wasn't part of the plot with Clarel, apparently his anti-idiot field hasn't worn off yet.
That was just luck, really. The Warden is far away and outside Corypheus' reach.
Yeah, but if we assume the Warden survives only because the PCs aren't permitted to fail (and not because the PCs are just that good) it's a good sign that the Warden still has that plot armor.
Kinda. But mostly because it's just weird to have a kid with a woman you don't love.
Sigh... but I think I'll end up having my Warden do it anyway. I'm starting my canon storyline from scratch and I already know my Hawke is gonna die because Alistair remained a Grey Warden. And well, having two protagonist deaths in a row (HoF and Hawke) lessens them both in my eyes.
Yeah, but if we assume the Warden survives only because the PCs aren't permitted to fail (and not because the PCs are just that good) it's a good sign that the Warden still has that plot armor.
I don't think is plot armor as much as it is the warden not being there because Bioware doesn't have the means to do that so they sent them in a land with no name..
I think it makes me feel crappiest with Alistair, because he has so many hang-ups about being a forgotten bastard son. So for him to beget one just strikes me as really sad. Plus, he wants his first time to be with a woman he loves, and he loathes Morrigan. At least Loghain's been through the ropes of having to have a kid with a woman he's not necessarily into...
You could have Loghain take an archdemon to the face.
Of course i did. I was already in love with her so why wouldn't i?
Also, if were talking about the DAI Fade decision, my character would leave his own mother there before he ever left Hawke. I've only played where it was Stroud left behind but it wouldn't matter. Whoever it is, the Warden's staying.
If i would have cared about one single man happyness at the cost of losing resources my char would have been a poor GW,what was important to me was to destroy the archdemon and remove it's powers from the witches grasp.B-But then Alistair gets upset at my Warden, with a frowny face and everything! Gaider says as much. "He wants to stay away from the Order, and, far more importantly, he doesn't want to be near you."
And he still isn't happy if you let Loghain sacrifice himself. Also... the HoF's wardeny glory matters to me.
If i would have cared about one single man happyness at the cost of losing resources my char would have been a poor GW,what was important to me was to destroy the archdemon and remove it's powers from the witches grasp.
Who strike the final blow to the archdemon is
irrelevant,in DAI as i recall Alistair by himself said that nobody care of the 5th blight anymore and since the blight was self contained in Ferelden most of others nations don't even believe it was a blight.
Am I the only one who struggles with this decision not because of shady ancient magic, but because it makes me/Alistair/Loghain seem like a deadbeat dad?
This coupled. Additionally, the idea of forcefully fostering purpose and destiny onto an innocent child instead of letting them choose their own destiny for themselves, all for your own self interest, is quite selfish and cruel.
That's why I either have normal Kieran or no Kieran at all. The thing with normal Kieran is that the Warden would not likely get back with Morrigan after she just left him on the eve of one of the hardest and most dangerous battle of his life.
So in the end, I go with no Kieran.
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