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[Qun00]

Human Kieran is good for Morrigan's growth. I know, I know, the outcome is the same in DAI, but just imagine what it was like for her in the beginning.

When normal Kieran was born, Morrigan probably was still bitter for not getting what she wanted. And now, there is this baby in front of her. The embodiment of her recent failure.

Learning to love him was harder. And a greater lesson.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Human Kieran is good for Morrigan's growth. I know, I know, the outcome is the same in DAI, but just imagine what it was like for her in the beginning.

When normal Kieran was born, Morrigan probably was still bitter for not getting what she wanted. And now, there is this baby in front of her. The embodiment of her recent failure.

Learning to love him was harder. And a greater lesson.

 

True. However, how does one justify a romanced Warden getting back with her after her betrayal when the Warden refused to perform the Dark Ritual ?

[Qun00]

True. However, how does one justify a romanced Warden getting back with her after her betrayal when the Warden refused to perform the Dark Ritual ?

Forgiveness. And if there is anything that can motivate one to do so, that is love.

[sylvanaerie]

True. However, how does one justify a romanced Warden getting back with her after her betrayal when the Warden refused to perform the Dark Ritual ?

 

Depends on the warden.  How forgiving would they be?  How much attachment do they feel toward their child?  How much did they love Morrigan?  Even her leaving him can be head canon'ed that Morrigan couldn't face knowing he'd most likely die right in front of her.  

 

Even a Morrigan who does get the OGB Kieran leaves and the warden who romanced her still gets an opportunity to go with her.  To me the bigger issue is her having a child with my Cousland and just taking it away, knowing its the only one he will ever have.

 

Regardless of how he felt at the moment of choice, I'm sure it wasn't something that was resolved simply and without some subsequent arguments after he joined her again.

 

Witch Hunt takes place some months after the battle in Denerim.  A lot of time has passed to hold a grudge over her departure.

[sniper_arrow]

I did accept the DR in hopes of finding about the OGB in future storylines...until it got washed away in DAI.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I did accept the DR in hopes of finding about the OGB in future storylines...until it got washed away in DAI.

It got divided, not washed away. The OG still exists, as does the B. Either could be the center of an interesting subplot. Or each could.

[Aren]

The HoF isn't losing any real resources. If recruiting Loghain meant that an army of grey wardens would materialize out of thin air, you might have a point. But we end up with three grey wardens available just like before. Or four, in the hypothetical scenario where Alistair doesn't leave.

As for Alistair's line, it sounds more like "I, personally, don't care about that anymore". People clearly do, as he complains about how often they ask him about the HoF and the Fifth Blight.

The number remain three because Alistair leave in that case,but it is not the warden fault is all Alistair doing.

In DAI Alistair said that nobody care anymore after 10 years just as Blackwall said
" Blight gone Gw forgotten until the next one"
also the game gave hints that in Orlais most people don't even believe there was a blight at all.
Really is just normal people behaviour they don't care,the same thing happened to Gharael and Corin.

[Qun00]

Garahel still is mentioned a couple times in DAO and the fourth Blight happened centuries ago. The grey wardens as a group tend to be forgotten, but the few that rise to fame are not.

[Aren]

True. However, how does one justify a romanced Warden getting back with her after her betrayal when the Warden refused to perform the Dark Ritual ?

I Did not cared much about her leaving before the battle since my warden was more than confident about his own possibilities and i usually give the absolute freedom to npc.
The problems were others.
~The long term deception during the romance
~The words that she threw with venom at Redclieffe on the warden who romanced her.

I can get past the first problem and even forgive her since good reasons may be found for the deception,maybe she did that to protect herself?Maybe she felt regret?


I cannot however absolutly and category forgive the 2nd point,since my character would came across as a fool in doing that.
She insulted and wished the best regrets for his LI in a crucial moment.
She only apologies when the warden leave in Wh,so too late.

[Aren]

Garahel still is mentioned a couple times in DAO and the fourth Blight happened centuries ago. The grey wardens as a group tend to be forgotten, but the few that rise to fame are not.

Who killed Toth?
You don't even remember the name?
This is the glory of the AD killers.

[Aren]

Also who mention Gharael in DAO?
A GW and a witch who love legends
aside from these two nobody remember this Gharael.

[Qun00]

Oh, I never claimed it was eternal, only that it lasts for a long time. And dismissing the people that mention Garahel doesn't refute the fact that he is remembered, nor does it mean that they're the only ones.

Do we need to go around making a list of people that talk about King Calenhad and then assume that's all of them? Of course not.

Lastly, I should mention once again that Alistair complains about how often people ask him about the subject even 10 years later.

And... wow, you're suddenly so loud and invested in this. Relax.

[Solace]

Personally, i think it makes for better storytelling, if you romance Morrigan and do the ritual. the entire Dragon Age story is about the elven Gods and the games they play.

[Aren]

Oh, I never claimed it was eternal, only that it lasts for a long time. And dismissing the people that mention Garahel doesn't refute the fact that he is remembered, nor does it mean that they're the only ones.

And... wow, you're suddenly so loud and invested in this. Relax.

If i came across as loud then i apology i just tried to make the point that i don't see any glory for having just defeated a dragon

(pretty much what Cassandra did in the movie is more impressive)

I think that you assumed that Gharael became famous in his time because he killed an archdemon but that is not true, Gharael leaded the battle against the blight for 15 years across several nations and had also charisma that is why he is remembered not because he killed the archdemon Andorhal.

Zazikale was killed by the GW Corin ,Toth was killed by the GW Loris but nobody remeber these two for the simple reason that they didn't leaded the battle they just infilcted the final thrust/blow  to the critters.