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[blahblahblah]

 

Played as a male.

Ultimate sacrifice or Alistair or Loghain sacrifice, i see  no reasons to  do the dark ritual.  Why you let morrigan to destroy your goal or worse a child's soul only to preserve a  lizard?According to David gaider the story of the warden is over so i see no reasons to preserve my life only to be the slave of a women who want a lizard's soul .is a selfish and useless choice, many are dead because of these old gods, and   if you use an orlesian warden in witch hunt you discover that morrigan,yavana and his mother as well as the architect are the responsable of urthemriel's rebirth and for the devastation of the blight, because of them Maric disappeared and fereldean became very weak,  i want to be a true hero like gharael or better, i  do not need to become a selfish clown.

 

You are full of baseless accusations. Morrigan and Flemeth created the Blight? No. The Architect? Yes, he admit it to free his people from the Calling. 

[Basher of Glory]

This was a double-edged decision.

 

As a "good" person I normally had to reject anything "dark", "evil" and all the more anything related to bloodmagic.

 

On the other hand I liked Morrigan and believed, that she would not do anything to harm me (=her friend, the Warden).

 

Then I liked the idea - of course - to survive.

 

Finally the meta-gaming aspect: I considered the ritual to have strong consequences and would miss a good piece of content in a sequel.

[BlazingSpeed]

No, you misunderstand what I'm saying. I was responding to your argument that there's no manipulatiuon or coercion of Alistair. 

 

"If you loved me, you'd do it," is the female PC speaking to romanced Alistair. 

 

Here's a vid cap of that very thing. Note that in this situation, I intentionally blew every argument with Alistair, and was still able to persuade him by playing the "If you loved me" card:

 

 

 

Wow, that was pretty messed up it's one thing for a male Warden to choose to wade in Morrigans swamp but to manpulate Alistair into doing it like that idk...

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 I did it because I agree with her (her belief that "some things are worth preserving in this world"). I also have an affinity for taking risks and venturing into dark, dangerous places. It also felt right since I romanced Morrigan (although I found her to be a pretty crappy lover up to that point). Oh, and my character did not have a death-wish of any kind, so the option to survive and not send a valued ally to death was that much more attractive. And my Warden is zealous about Dalish empowerment, so there is some hope that an elf-blooded Old God will take an interest and become a champion of the people, but it is understood that the child will be influenced by Morrigan more than anyone else (and I am okay with that).

 

For the record, I do not trust Morrigan, even being my character's love interest. I just enjoy her and am along for the ride.   

[ShadowLordXII]

Unless you distrust Morrigan, there's no logical reason not to do it.

 

On an ethical level, refusing the ritual would be tantamount to a senseless sacrifice of either yourself or a companion. Again, there's the question of whether Morrigan's intentions are trustworthy, but most of my wardens took a chance and spent the night with the pretty witch so that if Morrigan did something bad with the OGB, the Warden would be there to stop her.

[Greypaul]

My main warden is a mage and Morrigans my favourite romance he always agrees to the ritual.He's dubious about it but goes through with it out of love.I believe the OGB will play a role in the future and wanted my warden to be a good influence over its destiny.If i play as female character i always get alistair to do it to save her backside.Loghain never does it he has never made it out of the Landsmeet and never will.

 

 

 

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I always do the "dark ritual". I don't see a downside to it, to be honest. The one exception was my dwarf noble playthrough, and that's only because I wanted to have one warden who made the sacrifice.

[Jaison1986]

I always do the "dark ritual". I don't see a downside to it, to be honest. The one exception was my dwarf noble playthrough, and that's only because I wanted to have one warden who made the sacrifice.

 

And what if that Downside only shows in Inquisition? I don't know what everyone else plans, but if it's shown that the consequences for the ritual are bad, I won't think twice before changing my save and have Loghain sacrifice himself. Something to note is that in witch hunt, if you denied her ritual and survived she will say: "my plans are not as evil as you may think". And then I was like, really? Because if you don't have any questionable plans, then why all the secrecy? You wouldn't need to keep the warden in the dark unless you want to hide something.

[Andres Hendrix]

***Spoilers***

 

All but one of my Wardens romanced Morrigan, and I always carried out her ritual when my Wardens were in a romance with her.

Now, concerning Morrigan being evil (or what have you).

Morrigan is not evil, she grew up as a social isolate as a direct result of her mother's authoritarian parenting. Morrigan has trouble empathising with others. Why? Well, she was being raised to be nothing more than a vessel for her mother to hop into, once Flemeth’s own body grew too old. Flemeth wanted Morrigan magically strong, with no attachment to others, to make the transition as easy as possible. Morrigan is a very garded person, and tries not to let too many people in. If you befriend Morrigan, and or romance her, she acknowledges that much of what her mother taught her does not corresponded with her own perceptions of the world; this comes about from Morrigan’s perception of the relationship she has with The Warden. Morrigan is not a monster; she can fall in love with your Warden. She even seems a bit clingy and possessive of the Warden, (which is probably the underlying incentive behind Morrigan’s ring) it almost looks like a kind of first love syndrome. Her main dissonance (mental contradiction) comes from her mission-whatever that might be-and her love for the Warden.

In Witch Hunt, she did not have to wait for you. If you romanced Morrigan, she lets you go with her through the eluvian, even though you have been apart for two years, and she said that it was better off if you did not follow. I think her regret for leaving a happier existence, and the strain of going through child birth alone without The  Warden by her side really took a toll on her (we are told at the end of DA:O that she felt regret for leaving). She also shows some guilt (if it is your Warden’s OGB) for keeping the baby and the Warden separated. Because of this, by Witch Hunt, Morrigan changed her mind about not having the Warden with her. Perhaps it was one of those cliché, you do not know what you are missing until it is gone? It seems as though plot wise, Morrigan can get her second chance with her love. She finaly lets the Warden into what ever it is she is doing, also if  she truley loves the Warden I doubt she would like leaving him to a fate that ends with the Deep Roads. At least if the Warden is with her, they can be happy together for a short time.  Morrigan might be a very practical person; however, much of her ‘witchy cynicism’ that she ‘learned from her mother’ was superficial, and it unravels once your Warden gets to know her.

[qOjOp]

Yeah I did... Walked into the Eluvian with Morri...then, Dragon Age 2 happened.

 

[Remmirath]

I've done both, and I think there are interesting angles to be had from both. Certainly there seems to be more plot-potential down the road from doing it, which is good, but on the other hand, there could also be interesting consequences from not doing it if it turns out that it would actually have helped something a great deal. Who knows?

My first character did it because he didn't want to die like that, didn't want anyone else to have to do so either, and didn't feel he had any right to ask anybody else to do the ritual in his place (even though he really wasn't so fond of the idea). He also considered Morrigan a very good friend, and figured that if that was what she really wanted, she probably had a good reason for it and he should help her after all the help she'd given him. He did have to be convinced, however.

My second character had already decided that he wanted to force Loghain to make the sacrifice at that point, and he was highly suspicious of people's motives in general, so he declined (relatively politely, since he liked her).

My third character disliked Morrigan the whole way through and didn't trust her at all, so she declined. Alistair ended up making the sacrifice that time.

[JasonShepard]

As a player? I did it because I didn't want to give up my character, and I wasn't prepared to sacrifice Alistair after going to all the trouble of getting him to marry Anora. I was also aware that Awakening doesn't really recognise dead-Wardens.

 

In character? The Warden didn't want to die. It was that simple. Later, he justified it to himself that Morrigan's ritual might have allowed the Archdemon to be killed, even if himself, Alistair and Riordan had all fallen to the Darkspawn. But in truth, he didn't want to die. He didn't want to give up Leliana.

 

Somehow he knew Riordan wouldn't make it; he knew it would be him or Alistair. And he knew he wouldn't be able to live with himself if he let Alistair be the one to die. But he didn't want to die himself. And then Morrigan offered him a way out - and although it felt wrong - because he trusted her, he said yes.

 

After the battle, he realised that he might have done little more than postpone the blight - after all, if the Old God baby were to get corrupted again, the Archdemon would presumably be back. And that understanding - that by his own actions, he'd potentially risked an extra blight - led him to make a similarly questionable decision when faced with the Architect...

[Alkina]

I only played once (just got the game recently since it was free on Origin) and in it I did the ritual.  It was mostly because I thought there would be more gameplay/quests after defeating the Arch Demon (kind of how like in Skyrim you can still roam around).  Now that I know it doesn't matter, especially since the character in DA:O never comes back, I'm just going to sacrifice myself in my next play through.  I'm currently playing again as a city elf, so I'm wondering how different the game will be (besides the origin story).

[Andres Hendrix]

I only played once (just got the game recently since it was free on Origin) and in it I did the ritual.  It was mostly because I thought there would be more gameplay/quests after defeating the Arch Demon (kind of how like in Skyrim you can still roam around).  Now that I know it doesn't matter, especially since the character in DA:O never comes back, I'm just going to sacrifice myself in my next play through.  I'm currently playing again as a city elf, so I'm wondering how different the game will be (besides the origin story).

If you want missions for after the game, you need to get the expansion Awakening and the DLC (Witch hunt etc)

[Kamon89]

Yes I did,

 

My Aedan Cousland lived a sheltered life and did not fully understand Apostates. He was struck by the alluring witch in the wilds and had already struck up a relationship with her, and faced down her 'mother' in the form of a great dragon to keep her safe. He had no desire to die and gladly took part in the ritual.

 

Also, for myself I enjoyed how relevant Witch Hunt was for me with this choice.

[KaiserShep]

I'm currently playing again as a city elf, so I'm wondering how different the game will be (besides the origin story).

 

I didn't feel that the game differed much at all beyond the origin, except for the vision in the sacred ashes quest, and when the Warden returns to his/her point of origin. The human noble and Dalish Wardens are a bit of an exception, since neither ever return home in the game, and I feel that the human noble gets the bigger difference by having a longer arc involving Arl Howe.

[Jerkules17]

My main file yeah. Aedan Cousland loved her,and did it for her,he even went after her. Not sure what happens next? Usually I pick options that kill the hero like in Mass Effect 3 aka green option,since it had the most pros,minus the whole husk thing. As for this game I felt the OGB might come in hand especially if raised by a paragon hero.    

[Bardox9]

Unless I play a female Warden, which I rarely do cause it doesn't "feel right" to me, I do the ritual. I just hate the idea of my Warden dying at the end after everything he/she has had to go through. Plus I loves me some Morrigan. Liliana is annoying. I "harden" her. That's about as far as I take that relationship.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

***Spoilers***

All but one of my Wardens romanced Morrigan, and I always carried out her ritual when my Wardens were in a romance with her.
Now, concerning Morrigan being evil (or what have you).
Morrigan is not evil, she grew up as a social isolate as a direct result of her mother's authoritarian parenting. Morrigan has trouble empathising with others. Why? Well, she was being raised to be nothing more than a vessel for her mother to hop into, once Flemeth’s own body grew too old. Flemeth wanted Morrigan magically strong, with no attachment to others, to make the transition as easy as possible. Morrigan is a very garded person, and tries not to let too many people in. If you befriend Morrigan, and or romance her, she acknowledges that much of what her mother taught her does not corresponded with her own perceptions of the world; this comes about from Morrigan’s perception of the relationship she has with The Warden. Morrigan is not a monster; she can fall in love with your Warden. She even seems a bit clingy and possessive of the Warden, (which is probably the underlying incentive behind Morrigan’s ring) it almost looks like a kind of first love syndrome. Her main dissonance (mental contradiction) comes from her mission-whatever that might be-and her love for the Warden.
In Witch Hunt, she did not have to wait for you. If you romanced Morrigan, she lets you go with her through the eluvian, even though you have been apart for two years, and she said that it was better off if you did not follow. I think her regret for leaving a happier existence, and the strain of going through child birth alone without The Warden by her side really took a toll on her (we are told at the end of DA:O that she felt regret for leaving). She also shows some guilt (if it is your Warden’s OGB) for keeping the baby and the Warden separated. Because of this, by Witch Hunt, Morrigan changed her mind about not having the Warden with her. Perhaps it was one of those cliché, you do not know what you are missing until it is gone? It seems as though plot wise, Morrigan can get her second chance with her love. She finaly lets the Warden into what ever it is she is doing, also if she truley loves the Warden I doubt she would like leaving him to a fate that ends with the Deep Roads. At least if the Warden is with her, they can be happy together for a short time. Morrigan might be a very practical person; however, much of her ‘witchy cynicism’ that she ‘learned from her mother’ was superficial, and it unravels once your Warden gets to know her.

This is why I loved Morrigan's romance so much, especially when playing a "good guy" heroic character. Getting to know the real Morrigan was very heartwarming.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Yup, her approval of slaughtering slaves in a blood-magic ritual or selling them to Tevinter scum just gives you the warm fuzzies.

[Kenshen]

I have done it but it is not my personal cannon choice.  Considering what we think we learned from Flemeth's grimoire it is clear to me what Morrigan is planning on doing with the spawn.  

[Andres Hendrix]

 Yup, her approval of slaughtering slaves in a blood-magic ritual or selling them to Tevinter scum just gives you the warm fuzzies.

Morrigan does not have a long-term tactical mind. Everything is about survival with her, what will benefit her and her companions in the present, at the expense of others--so money, power etc (i.e. the Elven slaves and those outcomes).  She disapproved at Redcliff, even though Redcliff was going to be needed against the Darkspawn, and Arl Emmaon was needed for the lands meet. Saving the Elven slaves is also important for the Landsmeet; if one sells  or kills the Elves then it looks bad to charge Loghain with slavery. Morrigan is somewhat of a cluster-**** when it comes to tactics.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Saving the Elven slaves is also important for the Landsmeet; if one sells  or kills the Elves then it looks bad to charge Loghain with slavery.

That would only matter if there were witnesses. There aren't. This is much less of a question of different forms of gain and much more of a "what you are in the dark" question.

[Andres Hendrix]

Morrigan does not have a long-term tactical mind. Everything is about survival with her, what will benefit her and her companions in the present, at the expense of others--so money, power etc (i.e. the Elven slaves and those outcomes).  She disapproved at Redcliff, even though Redcliff was going to be needed against the Darkspawn, and Arl Emmaon was needed for the lands meet. Saving the Elven slaves is also important for the Landsmeet; if one sells  or kills the Elves then it looks bad to charge Loghain with slavery. Morrigan is somewhat of a cluster-**** when it comes to tactics.

Also if I remember correctly, her approval does not change when the Alineage mission gets to that point. She just says that, haveing the mage give you more power is an option to consider. It suits her existential heuristic, that she would want your Warden to consider takeing more power at the expense of others, she herself ignoring the possible long term problem of the Landmeet.

[Andres Hendrix]

That would only matter if there were witnesses. There aren't. This is much less of a question of different forms of gain and much more of a "what you are in the dark" question.

 

Yes, there would be no witnesses to say, defend your actions either, it would just be Loghain's word against yours. If the Elves live, and you need them for evidence, the principle of induction puts the argument in your favor; you have Shani and the Elven city Elder who can back you up. Loghain will just have to come up with more lies.