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Hawking: "Success in creating AI would be the biggest event in human history... [I]t might also be the last, unless we learn how to avoid the risks."


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I really hope AI's exist in my lifetime because I really want to interact with a very advanced AI.
 
Though the predictions I linked earlier, by Kurzweil, end up scaring me by the 2050-2070+ point, as well as seem unfit for commercial/social/political/etc realities. Maybe in 100s of years for the bigger stuff. If they do end up being accurate enough, in terms of AI, then fine, I may as well prepare for it, and understand that technology only as 'tool' may one day (whether in my lifetime or later) become an obsolete concept.

 

I'm typing this as I'm watching a video about a scalable method to manufacture/grow artificial leather and meat.. yep, we're at least moving forward. In AI, I dunno.



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Honestly, the only reason I want AI to be created is because it would mean that we are close to being able to do something similar to what the Virtual Aliens did, move conciousness between bodies.

 

http://masseffect.wi...i/Virtual_Alien

 

One day, we will be immortal. 



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Honestly, the only reason I want AI to be created is because it would mean that we are close to being able to do something similar to what the Virtual Aliens did, move conciousness between bodies.

 

http://masseffect.wi...i/Virtual_Alien

 

One day, we will be immortal. 

 

I always have to contest that.

 

With how data transfer *currently* works, we'd not be moving consciousness anywhere. We're killing off the source of the consciousness (the human, the brain), and writing in a data storage device a copy of the consciousness in X% accuracy.

 

I'd be more up for it, if the tech meant either:

-we're literally transferring the consciousness, somehow (???)

-we're using a synthetic backup for our minds, which also comes with its own issues, but at least lets me be me in the meantime. It'll be me that decides to create the backup, and me who lets it go off into the world with my well wishes

 

People who just want to let their human body die and 'transfer' themselves to a robot body may increasingly irritate me.

 

But yes, once a consciousness is hypothetically synthetic/virtual, there's less issue. It isn't confined to the organic brain (that even with cell replacement, generally considers itself to be of one unit), and probably works with networking more than it does in individualism.

 

Theoretically.



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I always have to contest that.
 
With how data transfer *currently* works, we'd not be moving consciousness anywhere. We're killing off the source of the consciousness (the human, the brain), and writing in a data storage device a copy of the consciousness in X% accuracy.
 
I'd be more up for it, if the tech meant either:
-we're literally transferring the consciousness, somehow (???)
-we're using a synthetic backup for our minds, which also comes with its own issues, but at least lets me be me in the meantime. It'll be me that decides to create the backup, and me who lets it go off into the world with my well wishes
 
People who just want to let their human body die and 'transfer' themselves to a robot body may increasingly irritate me.
 
But yes, once a consciousness is hypothetically synthetic/virtual, there's less issue. It isn't confined to the organic brain (that even with cell replacement, generally considers itself to be of one unit), and probably works with networking more than it does in individualism.
 
Theoretically.


It's a very existential question, are you still you after using a Star Trek type transporter?
What are we to begin with.
In some part we're raw data stored in the brain, it also decays over the years and cells are replaced, memories coppied into new coppies. Our thoughts while in organic bodies and actions are influenced by hormones that change with sunlight, age and alcohole and other substances.
Our genes demands reproduction and controls that in part with hormonal manipulation.

If all we do is transfer or "logical" mind as it is during the transfer, then we loose the hormone drugjunkie partof us and the genome.
If we store the genome and keep the possibility of reprodusing it, then we might have more of us left... Still the reproduction might be younger, might have the cancer your previous body had etz. Are you still you?

After about 7 years you have exchange and renewed just about every cell in your body, are you still you?

Personaly I think people worry too much about everything. Maybe transfering to a synthetic state or a new organic body would be a kind of reproduction, rather than something that keeps you alive.
Natural reproduction replicates your DNA, modified with that of your partner for the "sake of evolution" some would say. But your conciousness and most of the "valuable experiences" you have gained are lost.
There are lifeforms, mostly single cell organisms that clone themselves for reproduction.
Or hermafrodies like some worms for example.

There probably isn't a right or wrong as long as you arn't forcing your will on others. Therefor I tend to think people worry too much about everything, and especialy "other" people that they feel a need to control.

If you keep downloading your memories into new cloned bodies all the time it might get a little messy after a while.
Eventualy your perspective will have changed alot, mostly because you constantly forget things, eventualy you won't remember your youth in your first body, you might start to forget the parrents you had one or two milenia ago. Would it eventualy cause an overload or would the brain just adapt and drop old things that are less imporant.

Who knows, you might still be happy about who you are though. Also, society might not have to spend as much money on schools and education if it would be a widespread practice. Society might stagnate however and evolution might halt. Then there is the possibility that people might start to tailor their own DNA, an idea that scares a lot of people.
Then we got differnet types of bionics which would be kind of like Synthesis. Maybe evolution would continue... In some form..

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In sci-fi, there are 3 big ways that we 'evolve'.

-Organically, having abilities that are utterly unique to us, our limitations actually being our empowerment over the physical realm and its fate

-Synthetically, having abilities of endless possibilities in the physical but especially virtual realm, working towards the transcendent

-Transcendentally, having lost or largely abandoned any corporal form, in the aim of expanding beyond the universe, but we also might reach down into the physical realm for our own reasons

 

Choose wisely? lol

 

You're right. It really depends on how we view consciousness and life. Personally, I'm still rather attached to my body. And that's okay. It's freaking 2014.



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Honestly, the only reason I want AI to be created is because it would mean that we are close to being able to do something similar to what the Virtual Aliens did, move conciousness between bodies.

 

http://masseffect.wi...i/Virtual_Alien

 

One day, we will be immortal. 

 

Creating a true AI would equate us to 'God'. That in itself is enough for me, even though there's a considerable chance it will destroy us.

 

The Catalyst presented nothing new to me.



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There are five things relating to science that I hope are accomplished during my lifetime:

1) the creation of a true AI
2) a robotic submersible mission to Europa
3) a manned mission to Mars
4) the discovery of an exoplanet within the habitable zone of a star, with a significant fraction of the atmosphere containing oxygen detected via spectroscopy
5) regenerative spinal cord medicine (just because this is my field of research and I'd prefer not to monumentally fail in life).

I think 2-5 have a strong probability of happening within the next four decades. but creation of a true AI...maybe, maybe not. If we can do it, I believe it is inevitable. And the progress that has been made since we've been trying is very impressive (albeit very, very slow). Computer programming is not exactly my field of expertise - but biology is, and I have a hard time believing that we are anywhere close to simulating a neural network as complicated as the human brain. Id love to be wrong on that though...even if it would spell doom for humanity, lol.

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What I'd love:

-significant life extension and enhancement treatment (minimum 120 being the new 80, but would prefer 150 to be so)

-significant robotics advancement (if not 'true AI', then at least ubiquitous in society)

-intricate hand gesture interface, away from physical keyboards

-cancer, easy and mobile detection, fairly easy eradication

 

Not personally concerned about space exploration and colonization until travel method reaches breakthrough (fuel, unloaded minds, cryogenics, speed, whatever). Which may happen decades to centuries from now.