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[mlgumm]

Do you think the trend of Flemeth saving you after you slay an ogre will continue? I'm kind of looking forward to seeing her again, and even if it happens just as  cameo where she saves me after an ogre fight, I'll be happy.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Do you think the trend of Flemeth saving you after you slay an ogre will continue? I'm kind of looking forward to seeing her again, and even if it happens just as  cameo where she saves me after an ogre fight, I'll be happy.

I hope we don't im tired being her puppet and we couldn't do anything about it...

[Divine Justinia V]

I hope we don't im tired being her puppet and we couldn't do anything about it...

 

How were we her puppet?

[mikeymoonshine]

Tbh I enjoy the theme but we have already seen the "walk out of the fade" start of the game part. Does it happen before of after this? When and why would we be fighting Ogre's. We know the game starts around that time and I don't see how darkspawn fit in. 

 

 

How were we her puppet?

 

Well she seemed to know that both the warden and hawked had some kind of destiny (or whatever). 

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

How were we her puppet?

 

Because she was a Mage, and TKS doesn't like Mages.

[Divine Justinia V]

Well she seemed to know that both the warden and hawked had some kind of destiny (or whatever). 

 

I can understand some of DA2, but only in the first Act. As for Origins... we were hardly her puppet lol. I think it's safe to say we had a destiny in both games no matter what.

[TheKomandorShepard]

How were we her puppet?

We had to do what she wanted and in the end we do anyway what she wanted and she seems know about everything and about everyone in universe... 

 

 

Because she was a Mage, and TKS doesn't like Mages.

Sadly that it is when you don't listen but put something into other mouths...

[myahele]

I kinda hope so. It can be dragon age tradition. Similar to how being a prisoner is elder scrolls tradition.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

We had to do what she wanted and in the end we do anyway what she wanted and she seems know about everything and about everyone in universe... 

 

 

Sadly that it is when you don't listen but put something into other mouths...

 

"We have to do what she wanted"

 

Yes she totally controlled the Warden into killing the Archdemon and ending the Blight. What a b!tch

 

And how does having a lot of knowledge equates to being a puppeteer ?

 

And I don't exactly know about your beliefs, but where I come from, you owe someone a little for saving your life .

 

P.S. I don't put anything in anyone's mouth, unless i have full consent.

[In Exile]

I can understand some of DA2, but only in the first Act. As for Origins... we were hardly her puppet lol. I think it's safe to say we had a destiny in both games no matter what.

 

Well, you were only alive because she saved you. Assuming the treaties actually did things (i.e., pretending they mattered despite the fact that they really don't in-game), then only reason your quest works out is that she saved the treaties. And all of that was for the OGB to occur. In DA2 and DA:O, Flemeth suggests that Morrigan isn't as clever as she is and that Flemeth already foresaw and expected her moves, including your coming to kill her. 

 

So, really, you don't do anything other than move on the chessboard exactly as she predicted in DA:O. 

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Well, you were only alive because she saved you. Assuming the treaties actually did things (i.e., pretending they mattered despite the fact that they really don't in-game), then only reason your quest works out is that she saved the treaties. And all of that was for the OGB to occur. In DA2 and DA:O, Flemeth suggests that Morrigan isn't as clever as she is and that Flemeth already foresaw and expected her moves, including your coming to kill her. 

 

So, really, you don't do anything other than move on the chessboard exactly as she predicted in DA:O. 

 

Well the treaties weren't completely useless, The Dwarves would not have allowed you to enter Orzammar let alone seek their help without the treaty.

[TheKomandorShepard]

"We have to do what she wanted"

 

Yes she totally controlled the Warden into killing the Archdemon and ending the Blight. What a b!tch

 

And how does having a lot of knowledge equates to being a puppeteer ?

 

And I don't exactly know about your beliefs, but where I come from, you owe someone a little for saving your life .

 

P.S. I don't put anything in anyone's mouth, unless i have full consent.

 

She controlled him he did everything she wanted do even if you didn't do ritual she didn't care and she know that you will came kill her...

 

Having knowledge about everyone in the world isn't equal a lot of knowledge so please spare me trying twist what im saying. 

 

You don't because you did that so please don't make me laugh...

[Former_Fiend]

Rule of three demands that the trend must be bucked on the third go.

 

I suspect that it will be Morrigan who saves us, and it'll be a pride demon instead of an ogre.

[Divine Justinia V]

Well, you were only alive because she saved you. Assuming the treaties actually did things (i.e., pretending they mattered despite the fact that they really don't in-game), then only reason your quest works out is that she saved the treaties. And all of that was for the OGB to occur. In DA2 and DA:O, Flemeth suggests that Morrigan isn't as clever as she is and that Flemeth already foresaw and expected her moves, including your coming to kill her. 

 

So, really, you don't do anything other than move on the chessboard exactly as she predicted in DA:O. 

 

It's not like she started the Blight.

I'm pretty sure Flemeth was not a part of Morrigan's plan for the OGB either, so..

[In Exile]

Well the treaties weren't completely useless, The Dwarves would not have allowed you to enter Orzammar let alone seek their help without the treaty.

 

That's the only time in-game they count. Zathrian already knows there's a blight and basically divines you're a GW. Gregoire doesn't care about the treaties. To me, that's them basically not mattering.  

[In Exile]

It's not like she started the Blight.

I'm pretty sure Flemeth was not a part of Morrigan's plan for the OGB either, so..

 

The OGB was Flemeth's plan. The fact that Morrigan seems to have her own plan is cool and all, but Flemeth suggests a number of times that Morrigan isn't really outstmarting her as much as she thinks. So it's YMMV whether or not Morrigan is really undermining Flemeth. 

[Divine Justinia V]

The OGB was Flemeth's plan. The fact that Morrigan seems to have her own plan is cool and all, but Flemeth suggests a number of times that Morrigan isn't really outstmarting her as much as she thinks. So it's YMMV whether or not Morrigan is really undermining Flemeth. 

 

I don't agree, so, agree to disagree.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

She controlled him he did everything she wanted do even if you didn't do ritual she didn't care and she know that you will came kill her...

 

Having knowledge about everyone in the world isn't equal a lot of knowledge so please spare me trying twist what im saying. 

 

You don't because you did that so please don't make me laugh...

 

The GW would have stopped the Blight whether the Ancient witch wanted it or not. She saved him because of her own purpose, doesn't mean the Warden was doing her bidding. 

 

Did she tell you that she knows EVERYTHING?

 

That was a little joke on my part, because your comments are very biased and hateful towards mages, sometimes honestly disturbing.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

I don't agree, so, agree to disagree.

 

Didn't Morrigan herself said that OGB s the reason Flemeth sent her with you ?

[TheKomandorShepard]

The GW would have stopped the Blight whether the Ancient witch wanted it or not. She saved him because of her own purpose, doesn't mean the Warden was doing her bidding. 

 

Did she tell you that she knows EVERYTHING?

 

That was a little joke on my part, because your comments are very biased and hateful towards mages, sometimes honestly disturbing.

Well she pretty much knew what warden will do so she send morrigan and then she knew that warden will kill her pretty much s/he was doing what she expected and wanted in the end you can refuse OGB it turns flemeth didn't care in turn on her anyway...

 

With hawke pretty much you have to do what she want even if helping dangerous apostates and abomnations is against your views... same what they did with ander...

 

She seems know everything about hawke and the warden and that what even didn't happened to them then she knows everything about companions that she shouldn't even know like fenris or others (everyone) not including dao companions as she didn't comment on any of them.

 

Well if it was joke then it is ok but im not at all hateful that would require emotion toward mages same im not biased here as everything i say about them is truth and killing mages is proper response when it comes to remove danger they present...

[myahele]

I thought she couldn't quite predict a gray wardens fate?

[Divine Justinia V]

Didn't Morrigan herself said that OGB s the reason Flemeth sent her with you ?

 

i really have no idea, so

[Former_Fiend]

Morrigan does admit that the OGB was Flemeth's plan. That doesn't mean that Flemeth is at all connected to Morrigan's plans for it, whatever those may be. 

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Well she pretty much knew what warden will do so she send morrigan and then she knew that warden will kill her pretty much s/he was doing what she expected and wanted in the end you can refuse OGB it turns flemeth didn't care in turn on her anyway...

 

With hawke pretty much you have to do what she want even if helping dangerous apostates and abomnations is against your views... same what they did with ander...

 

She seems know everything about hawke and the warden and that what even didn't happened to them then she knows everything about companions that she shouldn't even know like fenris or others (everyone) not including dao companions as she didn't comment on any of them.

 

Well if it was joke then it is ok but im not at all hateful that would require emotion toward mages same im not biased here as everything i say about them is truth and killing mages is proper response when it comes to remove danger they present...

 

She only knows that the Warden will come to confront her (which I admit, was a little weird) for that she took precautions . OGB was her Idea , according to Morrigan, but I don't know how you know that Flemeth didn't care about the OGB,  

 

As for Hawke, she saved his life and for that she asked him to deliver an amulet to the Dalish, that's it . What ever else you did in your DA II play through was in no way related to Flemeth.

 

Well, she is "powerful", yes . But how does that make her a "puppeteer" ? which I believe was your original point.

 

Well I agree the Mages are a problem , yes, but is "Terminate with extreme prejudice" really the solution?

[TheForgottenOne]

IMO, the fact that everything happens the way Flemeth wants it to makes her even more awesome.

Anyway, its not like she's indoctrinating the protagonist and making him/her do her bidding at every point in the game. All she's doing is giving him/her a push in the required direction.

Also we don't know why the Inquisitor is the only one able to walk out of the Fade. Maybe he/she was able to do so only because Flemeth/Morrigan intervened during the explosion.

I understand the Grey Warden part. She saved Alistair and the Warden because they were the only ones who could end the Blight. Also she had the OGB plans. But what's with Hawke? How could she have possibly known that Hawke would go on to be the Champion of Kirkwall and his/her decisions would result in a civil war? Or was she just looking for some idiot she could give the amulet to so that she would be safe? (Hawke's boss either a mercenary or a smuggler meaning he/she could have been killed long before the amulet was given to Marethari)