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[TheKomandorShepard]

She only knows that the Warden will come to confront her (which I admit, was a little weird) for that she took precautions . OGB was her Idea , according to Morrigan, but I don't know how you know that Flemeth didn't care about the OGB,  

 

As for Hawke, she saved his life and for that she asked him to deliver an amulet to the Dalish, that's it . What ever else you did in your DA II play through was in no way related to Flemeth.

 

Well, she is "powerful", yes . But how does that make her a "puppeteer" ? which I believe was your original point.

 

Well I agree the Mages are a problem , yes, but is "Terminate with extreme prejudice" really the solution?

 

Yep she knows... morrigan says that OGB was only a way to certain end if you don't have child.

 

And pretty much that should be dependent on me whether i will help her pretty much have little sense for pro-templar and even saner pro-mages to help her even have later says that he should throw amulet to the chest and leave it...

 

If you want remove that danger that mages present it is only option as it is proven any attempt controling mages at best reduced damage but damage is still huge as well as danger even qunari still faill in that matter despite strict methods.If i had easier solution on that matter with same result pretty much i would use it but i don't have so simple killing them all is best solution i hated them i would tranquil them simple because it is worse fate.

[TheForgottenOne]

Well I agree the Mages are a problem , yes, but is "Terminate with extreme prejudice" really the solution?

 

 

The whole thing seems like an X-Men thing to me.

Only solution I can see is magic getting wiped out. Mages lose all their power but they remain normal (not tranquil but Some huge Crucible kind of wave washing over Thedas removing all magic)

It'll be cool to see a blood mage slit his wrist only to find out that he can't use magic and is now bleeding to death

[Hanako Ikezawa]

She controlled him he did everything she wanted do even if you didn't do ritual she didn't care and she know that you will came kill her...

Except you don't have to kill her. That's not an essential quest in Origins.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Do you think the trend of Flemeth saving you after you slay an ogre will continue? I'm kind of looking forward to seeing her again, and even if it happens just as  cameo where she saves me after an ogre fight, I'll be happy.

I hope so, though it'll be trickier to have an Ogre since a Blight isn't happening.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Except you don't have to kill her. That's not an essential quest in Origins.

eee and?...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

eee and?...

You said she knew you would come kill her, and I pointed out that you don't have too. So if she was counting on that, she's not as omnipotent as everyone thinks she is.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Yep she knows... morrigan says that OGB was only a way to certain end if you don't have child.

 

And pretty much that should be dependent on me whether i will help her pretty much have little sense for pro-templar and even saner pro-mages to help her even have later says that he should throw amulet to the chest and leave it...

 

If you want remove that danger that mages present it is only option as it is proven any attempt controling mages at best reduced damage but damage is still huge as well as danger even qunari still faill in that matter despite strict methods.If i had easier solution on that matter with same result pretty much i would use it but i don't have so simple killing them all is best solution i hated them i would tranquil them simple because it is worse fate.

 

Can't say anything about that

 

Hawke doesn't say that he SHOULD have left the amulet in the chest, he just wonders what would have happened had they left the amulet in the chest. Big difference.

 

So, at least you admit that you opinion is more hateful than pragmatic, as you like to claim. And you can't ever exterminate the entire population of Mages, because Mages will always be born. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

You said she knew you would come kill her, and I pointed out that you don't have too. So if she was counting on that, she's not as omnipotent as everyone thinks she is.

EEE and what stoped her from predicting that you won't come if you didn't come?

 

 

Can't say anything about that

 

Hawke doesn't say that he SHOULD have left the amulet in the chest, he just wonders what would have happened had they left the amulet in the chest. Big difference.

 

So, at least you admit that you opinion is more hateful than pragmatic, as you like to claim. And you can't ever exterminate the entire population of Mages, because Mages will always be born. 

 

I don't renember if he said if he wonder or he sould so i will give you point but point stands that should be up to player hawke was her puppet no matter what...

 

Eee i admit something completly opposite that i take pragmatic route not hateful... i can kill new born mages...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So, at least you admit that you opinion is more hateful than pragmatic, as you like to claim. And you can't ever exterminate the entire population of Mages, because Mages will always be born. 

He plans to basically have his soldiers kill baby mages for the rest of time.

[myahele]

I always thought she had a degree of omniscience (except for maybe those with the taint).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

EEE and what stoped her from predicting that you won't come if you didn't come?

Why are you changing your stance? You said she knew you'd come to kill her, and say she is the puppeteer, and yet you don't have to. That's not her controlling tyhe Warden, that's her being paranoid and planning for all outcomes. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Why are you changing your stance? You said she knew you'd come to kill her, and say she is the puppeteer, and yet you don't have to. That's not her controlling tyhe Warden, that's her being paranoid and planning for all outcomes. 

like to the children...

 

In 1 pt your warden can chose nice dialogue option in another warden can be pri*** in 1 pt when warden went to her she might predicted that in another when he didn't she might predicted that he won't...

[ladyoflate]

He plans to basically have his soldiers kill baby mages for the rest of time.

 

Surely it would have to be more like mage kindergartners, considering when powers manifest.

 

Of course, I'm totally sure that if some psycho accused a child or baby of being a mage to get at their family, he'd be reasonable. Ducking stools and the like, so you can know if your dead kid was a mage after all or not!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

like to the children...

 

In 1 pt your warden can chose nice dialogue option in another warden can be pri*** in 1 pt when warden went to her she might predicted that in another when he didn't she might predicted that he won't...

Predictions are not puppeteering. Predictions are thinking something might happen, puppeteering is influencing events so something will happen.  

[Former_Fiend]

You said she knew you would come kill her, and I pointed out that you don't have too. So if she was counting on that, she's not as omnipotent as everyone thinks she is.

 

Omniscient, not omnipotent. 

 

Sorry, pet peeve of mine.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Eee i admit something completly opposite that i take pragmatic route not hateful... i can kill new born mages...

 

You just said that you would turn all Mages tranquil instead of killing them because it is a fate worse than death, meaning your actions stem from hate not practicality

 

As for killing new born babes ... That's not really something you should brag about.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Omniscient, not omnipotent. 

 

Sorry, pet peeve of mine.

Yeah, I caught that but TKS already quoted. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Predictions are not puppeteering. Predictions are thinking something might happen, puppeteering is influencing events so something will happen.  

predictions doesn't mean that you know everything about everyone in the world even if that didn't happened yet...

 

 

You just said that you would turn all Mages tranquil instead of killing them because it is a fate worse than death, meaning your actions stem from hate not practicality

 

As for killing new born babes ... That's not really something you should brag about.

Well thats probably my spelling...

 

i said if i hated them i would tranquil them because that is worse fate because i don't and take for best solution to reach my goal i don't...

 

Why?

[mlgumm]

I always assumed she was in the pendant so she wouldn't actually die when Morrigan sent the Warden to kill her.

[mikeymoonshine]

like to the children...

 

In 1 pt your warden can chose nice dialogue option in another warden can be pri*** in 1 pt when warden went to her she might predicted that in another when he didn't she might predicted that he won't...

 

I get what you are saying but you are wrong because she will do the amulet thing regardless of whether or not the warden kills her. That part is technically before the warden does or doesn't kill her, so from this we know she thought that Morrigan might try to have her killed and planned ahead. 

 

She is clever and predicted what Morrigan would do but she didn't know what the warden would do. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I get what you are saying but you are wrong because she will do the amulet thing regardless of whether or not the warden kills her. That part is technically before the warden does or doesn't kill her, so from this we know she thought that Morrigan might try to have her killed and planned ahead. 

 

She is clever and predicted what Morrigan would do but she didn't know what the warden would do. 

Well it isn't in case as she seems know everything about peoples and what they will (even in fact if companion is practically no one) do perhaps she do amulet thing because she want have another copy with means we have at least 2 flemeth if you didn't killed her.

[mikeymoonshine]

Well it isn't in case as she seems know everything about peoples and what they will (even in fact if companion is practically no one) do perhaps she do amulet thing because she want have another copy with means we have at least 2 flemeth if you didn't killed her.

 

But she basically says that she is doing it as insurance because she knows what Morrigan might do. Maybe there is some other reason but there is nothing to suggest that is the case. 

 

I'm sure she knows all kinds of things but I really don't think she knows everything about everyone. I am actually quite interested about what will happen if you don't kill her, will the other Flameth rejoin the original Flemeth or will it just remain insurance for her in case she gets killed by someone else. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

But she basically says that she is doing it as insurance because she knows what Morrigan might do. Maybe there is some other reason but there is nothing to suggest that is the case. 

 

I'm sure she knows all kinds of things but I really don't think she knows everything about everyone. I am actually quite interested about what will happen if you don't kill her, will the other Flameth rejoin the original Flemeth or will it just remain insurance for her in case she gets killed by someone else. 

 

 

Well she knows that kind of thing that would know person that know script and by that things she shouln't so it was rather planed and i doubt that morrigan was true reason as she seems know what everyone will do including protagonists like warden and more hawke...

[Former_Fiend]

"Seems to know" and "actually knows" are two different things. I think you're giving more weight to her predictions than they deserve. 

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

"Seems to know" and "actually knows" are two different things. I think you're giving more weight to her predictions than they deserve. 

 

She also said that Hawke has as an important destiny or some sh!t like that, and then Hawke turned out to be one of the least important person in the history of Thedas, even Pick, the elven messenger in Ostagar, was more important than Hawke, because he at least gave the Warden a decent sword.