63 Antworten in diesem Thema

[Angry_Elcor]

Not to biased, but if everyone was bisexual, there'd less heartbreak.

 

I don't know about that. But there'd be a lot more sex, so I approve, regardless.

[Angry_Elcor]

Mock on.

 

With my head held high. I will never mock alone.

[damienmondragon]

I can but hope that the developers who so skill fully crafted and depicted the two sides of the Krogan verses Salarian conflict, and the Quarian verses Geth conflict and gave us characters on both side we could like and identify with, would choose and be allowed to fairly depict the progress with all speed ideology of progressives, and as well the caution and concerns of conservatives.

 

The tendencies of our times would be to depict conservatives as Cerberus verses the Alliance and everybody else, and try real hard not to in any way imply anything that could be interpreted as being against Islamic conservatism, which tends to be more hard core traditional than most Christian conservatism.

 

Is it too much to ask that if our views are challenged and opposed, that our concerns are fairly represented so gamers can see both sides and appreciate maybe where they have been steered maybe to their own bigotries and prejudices against people with good reasons for their concerns. 

 

Concerns that make enough sense that some with an agenda do not want those they are trying to influence, to consider them.

[Kantr]

I can but hope that the developers who so skill fully crafted and depicted the two sides of the Krogan verses Salarian conflict, and the Quarian verses Geth conflict and gave us characters on both side we could like and identify with, would choose and be allowed to fairly depict the progress with all speed ideology of progressives, and thecaution and concern of conservatives.

 

The tendencies of our times would be to depict conservatives as Cerberus verses the Alliance and everybody else, and try real hard not to in any way imply anything that could be interpreted as against Islamic conservatism, which tends to be more hard core traditional than most Christian conservatism.

 

Is it too much to ask that if our views are challenged and opposed, that they are fairly represented so gamers can see both sides and appreciate where they have been steered maybe to their own bigotries and prejudices against people with good reasons for their beliefs. Reasons that make enough sense that some with an agenda do not want those they are trying to influence to consider them.

what?

[Angry_Elcor]

Are we still talking about sexuality? I'm assuming all of this is just various code words for different sexual positions. "Hard core traditional" is obviously code for missionary, and I'm guessing "Cerberus versus the Alliance" is really, really dirty...

[damienmondragon]

what?

 

If at the developers' convention the speaker who got the standing ovations had suggested developing the games in directions you found opposite of 'social justice', how motivated would you be to speak out for your beliefs, as I have for mine?

Imagine if Mr. Heer argued developers do not do enough to promote ‘less personal freedom, more personal responsibility/responsibility to family and community type traditional morality’, if that were his preference.  

Imagine if for decades it had been as fashionable to oppose and ridicule such beliefs and values (as it has been to ridicule and discredit the traditional values and morality   popular culture depicts as old fashioned and obsolete,) and he argued developers should craft their media to tear down social justice.

Many of us who lived to compare the present to the past can argue the old ways of less personal freedom, more responsibility to family, worked better. We probably should not have ripped them out and thrown the old values and morality away without understanding how complex they were how they really worked.

No exaggeration, mine and I lived earning and struggling for a better life and equal opportunity. We have and had family and friends go through serious and lasting hardship, and had it hit our own households; behind the incredible  rises in broken families, crime, violence and government dependence (as opposed to opportunity),  that followed going too far too fast in growing personal freedom over personal responsibility.  

How do we have an out of wedlock birthrate of near 70%, in my life time it was 17% (back when it was harder to support a black family). 

It looks like from the outside this is incredibly hard to see. Maybe growing up with it, people on the outside simply accepted this as how we always were without giving it much thought, since it wasn’t really their problem.

Maybe developers should consider accurately depicting the underside of losing the balance between personal freedom/ liberation and personal responsibility to self, family and community.   What happened to us can, and will happen to other communities who follow the same path. Fair warning in time to reconsider beats pissing on an electric fence to see if it is dangerous.

[damienmondragon]

I usually just lurk but...

 

WTF did I just read?

 

WTF did I just read?

A simplified argument that game developers who want to craft computer/video games to advocate for social change and justice, should fairly and equally depict both sides of how to make ours a better world, (as ME developers did using the Salarians and Krogans and the Quarians and Geth.)

 

Since the 1960s well intentioned artists and social activists have used the most modern mass communication media of their day to accelerate social change and grow individual freedom and liberation. It looked and sounded like a good idea at the time, but there were a lot of unintended consequences that were too complicated to easily deal with when they were small and first showed up, and too many people were committed to as much freedom and liberation as possible, as soon as possible.

 

Drug experimentation with friends and relatives leading to addiction, to dependency, to trafficking, to rising crime in the community, to gangs, to cartels corrupting national governments, unintended consequences that grew to harm how many millions in this country and abroad?  How does social justice handle the ruthless intimidation tactics of cartels and terrorists out to exploit every opportunity exploit people to go along, to get along to label them the problem they are?

 

From sexual revolution, to sex and parenthood without commitment, to 'not sure who father is, too many boyfriends', and too many kids by too many different mothers to support, to thank God for welfare and abortion. Don't forget spread of STDs including HIV/AIDS, and being aborted becoming the leading cause of death annually in the black community than all other causes of death combined, http://www.toomanyab...umberonekiller/ using CDC (Center for Disease Control) figures. Were those who struggled against these changes ridiculed as slippery slope extremists to be marginalized, or their arguments considered with respect?

 

Redefined marriage and family from marriage before child conceived two married birth parents committed to family are best option, to marriage before baby born, to maybe marriage after baby born, to marriage old fashioned and unnecessary, now most end in divorce anyways, to all these options are equal. This all before same sex marriage turned traditional marriage into just one equal option, as a matter of law, with penalties for those who don't go along to get along. Over this period our out of wedlock birthrate went from 17% to 70%, (think the struggles of being a single mother has something to do with our abortion rate?)

 

If you find this too depressing to even think about, there are many millions of us living it, and quite a few of us fighting it as best we can because we want better for those we love and will leave behind, especially many of us who remember the reality we’ve struggled to leave them. 

 

Developers need to fairly present both sides of this argument to choose from, because they probably have family to leave behind to face the unintended consequences of pushing people to run ahead as fast as they can having only one side of a very complicated argument.

[Lady Luminous]

I won't argue that. I did pi** me off that he said it like that. Him calling me princess was really what upset me more since he's nothing but garbage. If there was an option to punch him, shoot him dead or in the privates, I would've done it every time.

 

Pistolwhip upside the head? I would take that option without a second thought!

[Kynare]

I've generally chosen a female character and then went for the vanilla male in my first playthrough. In DA, Alistair, in ME, Kaidan. Just my preference. I always liked playing around with the idea of getting my character together with another female. I completely thought Jack was bisexual in ME2 and I was all excited to try my FemShep with her, but then she snubbed me. Boo. Samara too. I wanted her to stay faithful to Kaidan, but if those two were actually an option, I might have had second thoughts. 

 

To be honest, the male options put me off completely in ME2, but mainly because of how FemShep approaches them. Even Garrus. Couldn't get past the "reach-and-flexibility" comment. Thane was perhaps the only one I felt was worth leaving Kaidan for in my alternate playthroughs.

 

I wouldn't say it reflects on my real-life sexuality whatsoever, though. Except that I tend to prefer humans.

[Angry_Elcor]

It's almost strangely fascinating. Or, I'm sure it would be, if I could be bothered to keep reading it. I have my sanity to think of.

 

I usually just lurk but...

 

WTF did I just read?

 

Someone has concluded that an obscure thread for an eight year old video game is the perfect place to try and change the world through sharing their radical social views. Or, possibly, the rantings of someone who, every three to five days, is possessed by the spirit of a tinfoil-hat-wearing alien named Zog the Impenetrable, and stays up until 4 a.m. typing randomly invented social theory.

[sjsharp2011]

I definitely see a difference between playing male!shep and Shepard (I always am always gonna see female Shepard as  canon, no matter how much Bioware shoves her to the side. ) The stripper comments is the most noticeable.
 
I play both Sheps, my main male Shep romances Cortez and my main Shepard is in a poly relationship with Garrus and Tali.
 
I have to draw a disconnection from me and the character I'm roleplaying, tbh. If my Shep sided with the Geth, that doesn't portray my point of view. I don't RP my character to be like me, especially in a game like ME.

Iplay both ways mostly as I like to experiment. One of the main reasons I like ME and I suppose DA as well is the fact you can experiment and do things in different ways. |For example I was a male Hawke in my last DA2 run and a female human in Inquisition. For my next run I was planning on a female Hawke and Elf for inquisition. I played a femshep in my last ME run and am currently near the end of a male shep playthrough having just completed the Rannoch missions on ME3

[Kynare]

It's almost strangely fascinating. Or, I'm sure it would be, if I could be bothered to keep reading it. I have my sanity to think of.

 

 

Someone has concluded that an obscure thread for an eight year old video game is the perfect place to try and change the world through sharing their radical social views. Or, possibly, the rantings of someone who, every three to five days, is possessed by the spirit of a tinfoil-hat-wearing alien named Zog the Impenetrable, and stays up until 4 a.m. typing randomly invented social theory.

 

To be honest, I was immediately reminded of the black-hat SEO article writers who just spin articles and post them everywhere. I was even about to report them for spam before I realized they were legitimately trying to say, uh... something. No offense to that person, but one must learn the hard way that there is a proper way to convey your opinions on a public forum!

[BioWareMod02]

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