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Yemeth

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First things first - I concur with two popular theories, that Flemeth is Andraste and the Maker is Fen'Harel. I also believe that Fen'Harel has a major role to play in Dragon Age: Inquisition.

 

There was an interesting tidbit of information at the end of The Masked Empire: Had Felassan severed his connection to the Fade, he would have been safe from his master Fen'Harel (it is pretty clear that it is the Dread Wolf who killls Felassan in the end). That means that while the Dread Wolf rules the Fade, he can not interact with the physical world directly. Assuming that Fen'Harel poses as the "Maker", however, he already has a powerful foothold in the physical world through the Chantry. We will come back to that later.

 

In the Masked Empire, Felassan also relates the story of how Fen'Harel manipulated two deities to fight each other so he could free himself while they were occupied with each other. This reminds me a LOT of the battle between the elves & the Tevinter magisters as well as their respective pantheons. We all know how that ended - Arlathan was sunk, Tevinter was attacked by Andraste, the Chantry was formed. Blood magic (i.e. magic that does not draw its power from the Fade, which is ruled by... whom?) was outlawed. The magisters entered the presumably golden city, which was already "black... corrupt... darkness ever since" (Corypheus) and returned to spread the Blight, giving the Chantry a reason to keep mages (and especially blood magic) in check, thus eliminating any threat to Fen'Harel in the future.

 

What I was wondering is who might be behind the Breach. As stated above, Fen'Harel rules over the most powerful religion in Thedas. He controls the mages, keeping them weak and nonthreatening. He rules over the spirit realm. He has essentially won. Thus I do not think he would desire to merge the two realms or allow access to the Fade through a Breach. My bet is on Flemeth. If she was Andraste and was tricked by a being that posed as the Maker to weaken Tevinter and was cast aside when she was no longer needed, she would hold a grudge and would ultimately try to strike back against Fen'Harel when the time was right.

 

Now, the Inquisitor is the only one who can close the Breach. He also "walked out of the Fade...  the only one to survive a blast that killed thousands." A mysterious beginning for a character that obviously works towards restoring the old order, where the Dread Wolf is the only deity left in the world. Cassandra might be quite right with her first appraisal of our protagonist.

 

Wild speculation!



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Jedi Master of Orion

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Fen'Harel doesn't control the Chantry, even if he was the Maker. The Maker is absent. Mortal Andrastians control the Chantry. And in fact they are the ones that made created the Circle System to control mages. And why would Andraste no longer be useful before taking down the Tevinter Imperium? Tevinter's mages are not contained, and have not been for the entire duration of the Chantry's existence. How could "Andraste" still be alive as Flemeth to want revenge if Andraste's powers came from the Maker?

 

Also the Chantry did not exist by the time of the First Blight and Corypheus does not say that the Golden City was always black. Andraste's antipathy towards blood magic seems to have stemmed from the abuses of the Tevinter Imperium.



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Knight of Dane

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Fen'harel doesn't exist. Mortals are just dumb and have to name what they cannot understand.



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whogotsalami

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We don't even know if the protagonist truly walked out of the Fade, it might just have been some common soldier bollocks. He somehow survived but I don't buy this explanation



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Mistress9Nine

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IMO, many people believe that Fan'Harel is the power behind Felessan. I'd much rather the creators not be confirmed as existant/non-existent.

 

Even though the Fan'Harel lore was featured in DAtME, I think it overlooked that there were also many tid-bits about uthenera  AND there was a dreamer storyline featured in DA2. It is mentioned in the book that these ancients elves in their eternal sleep were locked in the Fade, but gained immense power, that allowed them grant wishes and such and that many of them slept in the ancient elven chambers connected by the eluvians.

 

Now what use would Fan'Harel have for the Eluvians? He is a God or a very power spirit in the least. The Eluvians don't enter the Fade, he couldn't use them for an escape. But what about an extremely power ancient elven mage in his eternal slumber? He would be quite pissed that the elves were destroyed and he was sealed in his ancient tomb with not way out. He wants to break free, so he contacts Felessan in the only place he can, the Fade. He offers Felessan great knowledge of the ancient ways and access to extremely powerful magic in exchange for finding a way to reactivate the Eluvians and free him.

 

This would also fit with Felessan preventing himself from entering the Fade, as the slumbering elder could only reach him there.

 

This would set up an extremely good premise to the Fade breach, with this elven mage wanting to free himself. Now it coul be more complicated than that, but based on all the information currently available, this is my theory.  :wizard:



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Wolfen09

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they already said that the maker will remain an enigma....  i would assume the same for andraste, and with a lot of face time for flemeth in the games, i dont suspect her to be andraste, just a separate entity entirely....  plus sandal is secretly the maker, havent you read all the proof in the other threads?!



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Gervaise

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The slayer of Felassan is probably involved with the plot of DAI but not necessarily as an elven god.    The theory of an elven dreamer makes a lot of sense since Felassan seemed to know a fair bit about Uthenara and this was portrayed as a sort of hibernation/temporal stasis rather than actual death back in DAO.  Since ME shows that many of these "sleepers" were placed within the eluvian system, it follows that there could still be one that had not been killed and had started to awaken, initially by contacting someone within the Fade.   Of course it could also be simply a very powerful Fade spirit (which is likely what the elven gods were anyway).   Of course it could simply be a living elven dreamer who was trying to recover lost elven items of power.   We know very little about Solas other than he is meant to be an expert on the Fade.   Who could be more of an expert than a dreamer?   May be he will turn out to be the killer of Felassan or at the very least will know who did.

 

This entity may well be to do with the Fade breach, since Felassan seemed to be hinting at something big occurring that was sufficient for Imshael to abandon his possession of a mortal in anticipation of it.

 

Of course the Fade breach could be the work of Corypheus, what he tried once, he might try again but what mitigates against this theory is that the tear seems to have been caused from the other side of the Veil.    

 

Other candidates for killing Felassan could be either Flemeth or Morrigan, since the latter was interested in eluvians.   However, I can't see either of them being responsible for the Fade tear since Flemeth as been around for enough time that if that were her intent she would have done so in the past and Morrigan would have nothing to gain from doing so, unless it was an accident.

 

Lastly, there is the possibility of one of the last two Tevinter "gods" was responsible for his death.    Their original contact with Tevinter magisters would appear to have been through speaking to them in their minds, thus likely in the Fade.    If this as yet untainted "god" was imprisoned but wanted a way out, then the eluvians might be a means of providing it.   In DAO Duncan said that the eluvians were Tevinter artifacts and it seemed from the evidence of the underground ruin that originally the elves and the humans were working together rather than enemies.   So shared creation of artifacts.    The only thing that argues against this is that the network that the elluvians give access to seems hostile to non elves.     So whilst the Tevinter magisters may have at one time taken control of the network, it seems unlikely they were involved in their creation.



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EmperorSahlertz

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The Tevinters never unlocked the Eluvians, and only ever managed to use them as long range communicators.



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calvinien

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The entire premise of dragon age was that the religions required faith. Proving them true or false would kill a unique part of the mythos. So i doubt we'll be seeing fen'harel or the maker ever. However, we might be seeing someone POSING as one of them.