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[Farangbaa]

You might read up earlier in the thread, psychovere. We've been over all of this.

 

I know. We've been over everything in this topic before.

 

But, I have to say one more thing:

 

Instead of colonizing a planet after 10, 20, or 50 years of drifting in space, they preferred to drift another 250 years and at the most critical time in the galaxy, go back to their homeplanet, which is not going to give them anything usefull for at least a year. Instead of accepting that it just might take a century or 2 more to get out of their suits on a different planet, they preferred to be seen as the galaxy's locusts and focus on their homeplanet.

 

The Quarians are possibly giving up everything for a planet that yields them nothing in the short term. And wasn't the short term why they had to attack Rannoch?

[DeinonSlayer]

"It's the difference between sixty years and six hundred."

They'd need "a long process of bioengineering" (the illegal kind, which they couldn't afford to begin with and which won't be available in a post-war galaxy) to remove their dependency on their native plant life to be able to permanently settle somewhere else at this point. Think of the challenge of "scripting" a human with no dependency on an external source of vitamin C. There are three planets we know of which they investigated as potential places to settle - the Council forced them off of Ekuna at gunpoint; we saw what became of the team on Gei Hinnom, and the third one (from Leviathan DLC, can't remember its name) wasn't viable because of virulent diseases during a certain season and Turians already living there with connections to Terminus warlords.

Tali lists off a bunch of reasons they haven't tried to take back Rannoch if you choose the paragon option, then the renegade option speaking at the console on the Alarei. One of them is persistent, multigenerational guilt over what was done to the Geth.

It's the only planet in the galaxy where a suit breach won't kill, with unique plant life they are physiologically dependent on interacting with for their immune systems to function properly. In a post-war galaxy, it's their best bet for long term survival, and as I explained earlier, by cannibalizing a portion of their fleet (per Tali in ME2), they're self-sufficient on Rannoch.

[Farangbaa]

It's the only planet in the galaxy where a suit breach won't kill, with unique plant life they are physiologically dependent on interacting with for their immune systems to function properly. In a post-war galaxy, it's their best bet for long term survival, and as I explained earlier, by cannibalizing a portion of their fleet (per Tali in ME2), they're self-sufficient on Rannoch.

 

That's just a lie.

 

I remember a certain Kall Reegar on a planet called Haestrom who has a suit breach and survived perfectly fine. Tali's exagerating. (I can never seem to remember how to spell that word, excuse me )

 

For the rest I'll just concede, I don't nearly know enough details to continue this conversation.

 

You've explained the timing of their attack quite well before, but it stills bugs the hell out of me. My Shepard's are usually quite annoyed with the Quarians, because I make sure during Tali's LM to tell everyone they shouldn't go to war.

[DeinonSlayer]

That's just a lie.

I remember a certain Kall Reegar on a planet called Haestrom who has a suit breach and survived perfectly fine. Tali's exagerating. (I can never seem to remember how to spell that word, excuse me )

For the rest I'll just concede, I don't nearly know enough details to continue this conversation.

You've explained the timing of their attack quite well before, but it stills bugs the hell out of me. My Shepard's are usually quite annoyed with the Quarians, because I make sure during Tali's LM to tell everyone they shouldn't go to war.

Reegar was pumped full of antibiotics immediately after being shot; he required further medical attention back on the fleet to survive it. Haestrom was a former Quarian colony. Makes sense they'd be better suited (pardon the pun) to survive a suit breach on one of those worlds, but that one isn't exactly a viable settlement site.

Fair enough. To their credit, they didn't go to war until it was the only real option left to them.

[Farangbaa]

Reegar was pumped full of antibiotics immediately after being shot; he required further medical attention back on the fleet to survive it. Haestrom was a former Quarian colony. Makes sense they'd be better suited (pardon the pun) to survive a suit breach on one of those worlds, but that one isn't exactly a viable settlement site.

Fair enough. To their credit, they didn't go to war until it was the only real option left to them.

 

That pun is hilarious though.

[CronoDragoon]

You miss the point. They don't need a planet. They could deal with just having a country... or a big ass island.

 

Presumably the quarians don't want to stay at their current population, though.

[Farangbaa]

Presumably the quarians don't want to stay at their current population, though.

 

Which I understand. They can get a more permanent place after the war that's destroying everyone in the galaxy.

[Iakus]

Which I understand. They can get a more permanent place after the war that's destroying everyone in the galaxy.

 

The Council has refused to allow them to settle on the few worlds that are compatible with their biology.  What makes you think they'll let the quarians crash on their couch now?

[DeinonSlayer]

Which I understand. They can get a more permanent place after the war that's destroying everyone in the galaxy.

As I explained at length earlier, they can't effectively do the job they need to be doing in the reaper war with their entire civilian populace on board because their cargo holds are already full and because keeping all of those people fed requires that they stay massed together in a single fleet which takes days to move from one system to another and can easily be corralled if the reapers blockade the relay in whatever system they happen to be in.

Offload the civilians, and those ships are free to go where they need to go and do what they need to do. The civilians' job then is to be self-sufficient so as not to draw on military resources, provide what support they can, stay out of the way and ensure the continuity of the species.

[Mrs_Stick]

I have a new philosophy for dealing with this conflict. Where their lips moving? Where they talking? Then they were lying to me!!

Honestly no matter what is believed there are multiple issues with the Quarian/Geth. They cannot go anywhere else and the Geth don't want to leave. You can throw as many what ifs as you want but the fact remands there were no other options in the eyes of the Quarian.

I am not a sympathizer for the Quarian by any means but I do understand their absolute passion for getting back Rannoch.

I like the Geth as a race and believe they deserve a chance. Just as I give the Krogan one I believe I should give them one as well.

[Barquiel]

That reasoning isn't either-or. The existence of Xen's countermeasure was one thing that spurred the quarians toward war; the exigency of the Reaper War was another.

 

That is true. But at least Gerrel's faction is clearly out for "blood" against the geth, and that wouldn't have changed if the geth had built their sphere somewhere else, which was my point. He unnecessarily endangered the civilians more than once, he had the opportunity to retreat several times and when the geth fleet attempts to retreat...when they try to leave Rannoch...Gerrel orders pursuit to wipe them all out, accepting even more casualties. He always wanted to charge head first into the geth. Now it is possible that Koris and maybe Tali would have been able to hold Gerrel back if the geth had built their sphere somewhere else...but that is not the impression I got while playing the Rannoch arc. It seems he is only willing to listen to Shepards magical blue/red button.

 

And the writers didn't really give us many information, of course. I think the most obvious solution would have been to make a deal with the elcor, and dump the civilians on that planet the quarians tried to colonize a few decades ago.

[shodiswe]

Strawman Shodiswe. Did I say the Quarians were not responsible for anything? No. I did not. You just want to defend genocide.

So if both theGeth and Quarian genocides are irrelevant then the only thing that remains is for you to look at who the agressor is, which is clearly the Quarians.

That's pretty much what I've always based my choices on. They threw the first rock then they get smited by the smithing hammer. I really cant get into any of those, "we want more good stuff so we take" arguments.
After they have alredy been thrown out for trying to kill their fellow sentients I'm not going to help them break back in to commit another genocide.

If they want to talk and make good with their neighbours then that seems like something I could help them with.

That's how I see it.

[shodiswe]

Doublepost.

[Iakus]

So if both theGeth and Quarian genocides are irrelevant then the only thing that remains is for you to look at who the agressor is, which is clearly the Quarians.

That's pretty much what I've always based my choices on. They threw the first rock then they get smited by the smithing hammer. I really cant get into any of those, "we want more good stuff so we take" arguments.
After they have alredy been thrown out for trying to kill their fellow sentients I'm not going to help them break back in to commit another genocide.

If they want to talk and make good with their neighbours then that seems like something I could help them with.

That's how I see it.

 

The quarians of the Morning War are all dead.  And so are their great-grandchildren. 

 

How long do their decendants have to pay for that?

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Quarians may have been the aggressors, but the Geth were stupid enough to accept the Reapers into their life. 

It' breaks even. 

[Farangbaa]

The Council has refused to allow them to settle on the few worlds that are compatible with their biology.  What makes you think they'll let the quarians crash on their couch now?

 

They're dying. I'm pretty certain the council doesn't have the time, nor the will, to deny them any place they can dump their civilians during the Reaper war.

 

Offload the civilians, and those ships are free to go where they need to go and do what they need to do. The civilians' job then is to be self-sufficient so as not to draw on military resources, provide what support they can, stay out of the way and ensure the continuity of the species.

 

Which is exactly what I wanted.

 

They just need a piece of land to dump their civilians on. Any piece of land will do, a puny country such as my own, the Netherlands, can hold their entire population. By retaking Rannoch they do no only risk their military, but also their civilians.

 

And the timing is just godawful. While the rest of the galaxy is fighting super machines to not lose their planets, the Quarians go lolololololol, lets take Rannoch back. (you don't have to tell me again why it makes sense for the Quarians to do so)

[Mrs_Stick]

.......??????

[Iakus]

They're dying. I'm pretty certain the council doesn't have the time, nor the will, to deny them any place they can dump their civilians during the Reaper war.

 

 

Are we talking about the same Council here?  The same ones who went "Every alien for themselves!" when the Reapers first came a-knocking?

 

 

Which is exactly what I wanted.

 

They just need a piece of land to dump their civilians on. Any piece of land will do, a puny country such as my own, the Netherlands, can hold their entire population. By retaking Rannoch they do no only risk their military, but also their civilians.

 

And the timing is just godawful. While the rest of the galaxy is fighting super machines to not lose their planets, the Quarians go lolololololol, lets take Rannoch back. (you don't have to tell me again why it makes sense for the Quarians to do so)

 

 

The quarians would quickly die out in the Netherlands (or any nation/world which was human-friendly.) without a lot of specialized equipment and food. 

 

Remember that quarian in ME2 who couldn't even sell herself into indentured servitude because it just wasn't worth the cost?

[Mrs_Stick]

Quarians may have been the aggressors, but the Geth were stupid enough to accept the Reapers into their life.
It' breaks even.

The answer I am sure would came is. Only because the Quarian attack them!!

Again I am just.....????? None of the current arguments are making much sense.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

The answer I am sure would came is. Only because the Quarian attack them!!

Again I am just.....????? None of the current arguments are making much sense.

Both sides are at fault. The Reapers are here, it doesn't matter who is more so, not really. Make peace, if you can. 

If not decide which is more important, the tactical edge from the Geth or the logistical edge from the Quarians. 

[I Tsunayoshi I]

That's just a lie.

 

I remember a certain Kall Reegar on a planet called Haestrom who has a suit breach and survived perfectly fine. Tali's exagerating. (I can never seem to remember how to spell that word, excuse me )

 

For the rest I'll just concede, I don't nearly know enough details to continue this conversation.

 

You've explained the timing of their attack quite well before, but it stills bugs the hell out of me. My Shepard's are usually quite annoyed with the Quarians, because I make sure during Tali's LM to tell everyone they shouldn't go to war.

 

To repeat a point already made, Reegar was, in his own words, swimming in antibiotics. His suit also sealed up around the breach to make sure the damage was limited to a small area.

[shodiswe]

The quarians of the Morning War are all dead.  And so are their great-grandchildren. 
 
How long do their decendants have to pay for that?

They attacked a second time before Shepard gets involved in ME3. Thats fairly recent. Meaning they were wrong historical, and they did it again.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

They attacked a second time before Shepard gets involved in ME3. Thats fairly recent. Meaning they were wrong historical, and they did it again.

 

And when the Geth Fleet was disabled again after the Reaper was blasted to dust, they tried AGAIN to wipe out the Geth.

 

Honestly if the '**** You' count from both sides didnt come up even in the recent events, I'd be tempted to kill the ones that pissed me off the most.

[shodiswe]

I'm pretty sure the council wouldn't have the time to evict the Quarians during the war, and if they help save the Galaxy during the war, then the Council would owe them some kind of gratitude and edknowledgement for their partisipation.

Before they didn't now they would. Assuming they do the right thing.

[Jukaga]

You miss the point. They don't need a planet. They could deal with just having a country... or a big ass island.

I think they want to rebuild a planetary civilization, not just be space-gypsies or space-refugees living in a closed off camp somewhere. It's not like the MEU is short on empty inhabitable planets.