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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Both sides are at fault. The Reapers are here, it doesn't matter who is more so, not really. Make peace, if you can. 

If not decide which is more important, the tactical edge from the Geth or the logistical edge from the Quarians. 

 

Make peace? Mass Effect 3 is a great place to start. That's what Casey Hudson told everyone. If you started with ME3, you can't make peace. You must choose. Quarian or Geth. You're presented with a one sided scenario because Patrick Weekes decided to present it that way. You get Geth VI and Shala Ra'an. Who bothers to read the codex and supplemental materials?

 

@Psychevore: The quarians don't need the entire world of Rannoch. Nor do the Geth. The Geth still have a consensus: Kill Quarians on Rannoch. There is still no consensus about the Migrant Fleet before the attack. Hence there is still no peace available.

 

@ Shodiswe: The Quarians didn't understand what had happened with the Geth. To them, at the beginning they had been sophisticated appliances and robotics that had started to refuse their shutdown commands. What do you do if your computer refuses to shut down? You manually shut it down, right? Because there's no way your computer could possibly have become part of an AI, even though we have an internet where all electronic devices in the world are connected to one another. But what if a threshold had been passed that you didn't know about? We have SIRI that talks to you and answers questions. People talk to SIRI, seriously. What if SIRI refuses to shutdown? How do you know it is alive and not simply malfunctioning? Most people would simply take out the battery. 

 

So they determined that the neural network was more advanced than they had believed. They ordered manual deactivation of hardware. Logic would dictate that after deactivating a certain number a threshold would be passed where the Geth would no longer be at their AI status. Would they have stopped then? We don't know because they never got that chance. 

 

Sometimes the defender becomes the aggressor. When the defender starts exterminating the aggressor it becomes the aggressor itself. The Quarians never stood a chance. As I asked, when was enough enough? when the Geth wiped out 25% of the Quarians? 30% of the Quarians? 50% of the Quarians? 75% of the Quarians? They never stopped to ask that during the Morning War. Would the Quarians have surrendered? We don't know. They were never given a chance. Do you not think that Legion would have shown us that in the Geth Fighter Base mission: "We gave them several chances to surrender, but they kept fighting. All we wanted was the right to exist as sentient beings." No. He didn't. Their goal was total extermination. 

 

The Geth never told us about the Heretics going with Sovereign. "Hey, Galaxy, we're the Geth from Rannoch. There's a splinter group of Geth called the Heretics that's following an organic named Saren. He's tooling around in a giant warship named Nazara. Nazara is an intelligent being capable of indoctrination and wants to bring in its buddies to wipe out all organic life in the galaxy. We don't condone that. We want to be left alone. We thought you should know we're not part of that."

 

So instead from the galaxy's view the geth sided with the reapers, twice.

[Bob from Accounting]

I know how desperate people are here for weapons against the company they despise for making they feel the way they do, but the childish, petulant whining about "Mass Effect 3 is a great place to start" is really just immensely foolish. Immensely immature.

 

I understand this forum may have trouble grasping this simple concept, but a game needs to make money. What do you expect? That they say "If you haven't played ME 1 & 2, you're not welcome!"? They're doing the same thing for DA:I. They're going to do the same thing for ME:Next.

 

Really, the fact that a player can only make peace with an import should be indicative of the thought that went into players who imported, and not just people who picked up ME 3.

[Farangbaa]

I know how desperate people are here for weapons against the company they despise, but the childish, petulant whining about "Mass Effect 3 is a great place to start" is really just immensely foolish. Immensely immature.

 

I understand this forum may have trouble grasping this simple concept, but a game needs to make money. What do you expect? That they say "If you haven't played ME 2, you're not welcome!"? They're doing the same thing for DA:I. They're going to do the same thing for ME:Next.

 

Really, the fact that a player can only make peace with an import should be indicative of the thought that went into players who imported, and not just people who picked up ME 3.

 

Damn, the Apocalypse is near. I agree with every word you say here.

[Jukaga]

Really, the fact that a player can only make peace with an import should be indicative of the thought that went into players who imported, and not just people who picked up ME 3.

 

I agree with this, it's an outcome that can only come from save imports so clearly it was intended as a nice bonus for the fans who were invested in the Quarian/Geth conflict.

 

Personally, I never take marketing spin to heart when planning a purchase of a game. I will intentionally ignore preview material on games I want, after I was burned on S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s 2003 marketing spin vs. the 2007 released product.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'm pretty sure the council wouldn't have the time to evict the Quarians during the war, and if they help save the Galaxy during the war, then the Council would owe them some kind of gratitude and edknowledgement for their partisipation.

Before they didn't now they would. Assuming they do the right thing.

 

The quarians would have to engage in genetic engineering to adapt to a new world. We've been over this before. They would not on Rannoch. The Geth don't need the entire world of Rannoch. Make peace FFS. But no. They won't. They won't even open communications with the Quarians. Legion and Tali have talks but for some reason Legion doesn't tell the consensus about them. Oh that's right. ME3 is a great place to start because Legion (a plot character) could have been sold to Cerberus and Tali could have died on the Suicide Mission. So all of that has to be declared inconsequential so our choices could matter. Thus we get a craptastic story in ME3. 

 

They attacked a second time before Shepard gets involved in ME3. Thats fairly recent. Meaning they were wrong historical, and they did it again.

 

They were desperate. Right or wrong, they were desperate. If you're wrong and you have the bigger gun, and you win, you're right. That's the way history books are written.

[Farangbaa]

Personally, I never take marketing spin to heart when planning a purchase of a game. I will intentionally ignore preview material on games I want, after I was burned on S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s 2003 marketing spin vs. the 2007 released product.

 

Finally, someone who understands.

[CronoDragoon]

I agree with this, it's an outcome that can only come from save imports so clearly it was intended as a nice bonus for the fans who were invested in the Quarian/Geth conflict.

 

Personally, I never take marketing spin to heart when planning a purchase of a game. I will intentionally ignore preview material on games I want, after I was burned on S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s 2003 marketing spin vs. the 2007 released product.

 

Agreed. It's a shame that to best enjoy a game I might have to not follow it before it releases, but I've found this to be the best practice. Specific expectations lead to disappointment more often than satisfaction.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I know how desperate people are here for weapons against the company they despise for making they feel the way they do, but the childish, petulant whining about "Mass Effect 3 is a great place to start" is really just immensely foolish. Immensely immature.

 

I understand this forum may have trouble grasping this simple concept, but a game needs to make money. What do you expect? That they say "If you haven't played ME 1 & 2, you're not welcome!"? They're doing the same thing for DA:I. They're going to do the same thing for ME:Next.

 

Really, the fact that a player can only make peace with an import should be indicative of the thought that went into players who imported, and not just people who picked up ME 3.

 

 

The Witcher 3 is a great place to start as well. Didn't you read the article in GameInformer? I'm just picking a scab. 

 

But unlike ME, TW doesn't carry as many plot variables forward. People here rain praise on CDProjekt even though a great many of the choices you make in a game don't matter in the sequel because the company makes canon decisions down to and including the protagonist's love interest. This does make writing plotines for the sequels much easier.

[Iakus]

I know how desperate people are here for weapons against the company they despise for making they feel the way they do, but the childish, petulant whining about "Mass Effect 3 is a great place to start" is really just immensely foolish. Immensely immature.

 

I understand this forum may have trouble grasping this simple concept, but a game needs to make money. What do you expect? That they say "If you haven't played ME 1 & 2, you're not welcome!"? They're doing the same thing for DA:I. They're going to do the same thing for ME:Next.

 

Really, the fact that a player can only make peace with an import should be indicative of the thought that went into players who imported, and not just people who picked up ME 3.

 

Except they said ME3 was the best place to start

[Iakus]

I agree with this, it's an outcome that can only come from save imports so clearly it was intended as a nice bonus for the fans who were invested in the Quarian/Geth conflict.

 

Personally, I never take marketing spin to heart when planning a purchase of a game. I will intentionally ignore preview material on games I want, after I was burned on S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s 2003 marketing spin vs. the 2007 released product.

 

Kinda makes it hard to judge if a game is worth buying if you have to assume they're lying through their teeth about it.

[Farangbaa]

Except they said ME3 was the best place to start

 

And you believed that?

 

 

[Kel Riever]

Kill the humans first.

 

It is the only way to be sure.

 

Deadshep, best shep ever.

[Farangbaa]

Kinda makes it hard to judge if a game is worth buying if you have to assume they're lying through their teeth about it.

 

Read reviews, watch 'lets plays', play the demo w/e. If you're buying your games based on marketing...... yeah, no words for that.

[Bob from Accounting]

I have very little doubt that people "rain praise" on CDProjekt primarily because they check off many boxes of what a game company is 'supposed' to think and do compared to the big evil American corporations. Because shilling them is a way to 'get back' at EA and Activision and anyone else who dares to charge for DLC.

 

Unfortunately for them, for whatever value those things are, none of them are competence. 

[CronoDragoon]

Kinda makes it hard to judge if a game is worth buying if you have to assume they're lying through their teeth about it.

 

I mostly rely on developer pedigree. Sometimes it means I get a few disappointments but for the most part if the developer is one that I've liked in the past, then I will enjoy their future projects. Tastes can vary so much that I find this to be a better practice than Metacritic or marketing. If it's a series or dev I haven't tried before, I'll check out gameplay footage on youtube.

[Iakus]

And you believed that?

 

 

 

No, I found it to be a rather bizarre statement and should have taken it as an early warning that they were going to alienate a great deal of their base by trivializing much of what went before.

[Iakus]

I mostly rely on developer pedigree. Sometimes it means I get a few disappointments but for the most part if the developer is one that I've liked in the past, then I will enjoy their future projects.

 

Up until a few years ago, Bioware had a stellar pedigre, as far as I was concerned.

 

Why do you think I'm still so p*ssed after all this time?

[DeinonSlayer]

They attacked a second time before Shepard gets involved in ME3. Thats fairly recent. Meaning they were wrong historical, and they did it again.

If you're locked in a burning building, you need to get your kid into the flame-resistant shelter before you can fight the fire, and someone in the shelter has locked you out, refuses to talk, and will kill anyone who tries to get in, is it not justified to force your way in?

The Geth occupied the planet the Quarians needed to survive and refused to let them come back. Are their actions more justified simply because they were in a fixed position? To quote Shepard, "whatever mistakes the Quarians made in the past, this invasion was the right idea. The Geth are synthetic. They don't need a planet, they can go live on a space station."

Had they built their sphere just about anywhere else, this whole mess could have been avoided. I'd have liked the opportunity to point that out to Legion somewhere, but I think the only reaction we were supposed to have was feeling bad that their sphere got trashed.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Up until a few years ago, Bioware had a stellar pedigre, as far as I was concerned.

 

Why do you think I'm still so p*ssed after all this time?

Of course, they couldn't even make the best of their own IP

[Jukaga]

Kinda makes it hard to judge if a game is worth buying if you have to assume they're lying through their teeth about it.

These days unless I'm desperate to play I wait for the GOTY SuperPlatinum WOW! edition to go on sale for 75% on Steam. There is an immense catalog of games to play, no need to buy the $69.99 first release if you let yourself get behind the curve and wait for all the patches and DLC to be released. You then get the finished, working game for $20 and by then there are plenty of objective reviews and such around to make an informed decision.

[DeinonSlayer]

These days unless I'm desperate to play I wait for the GOTY SuperPlatinum WOW! edition to go on sale for 75% on Steam. There is an immense catalog of games to play, no need to buy the $69.99 first release if you let yourself get behind the curve and wait for all the patches and DLC to be released. You then get the finished, working game for $20 and by then there are plenty of objective reviews and such around to make an informed decision.

[CronoDragoon]

Up until a few years ago, Bioware had a stellar pedigre, as far as I was concerned.

 

Why do you think I'm still so p*ssed after all this time?

 

Like I said, disappointments can occur. As far as I'm concerned BioWare still has a stellar pedigree, but I'm less paranoid about MENext replicating ME3's ending than some.

 

Edit: I also value the combat quite a bit more than some. It's probably a 65-35 split for me story-gameplay importance.

[Bob from Accounting]

Xkcd is far overrated. The only satisfaction is from 'getting' the joke and smiling sightly to yourself because you know enough to understand it. The jokes themselves aren't funny. At all. It's also pretentious.

 

SMBC is way more insightful and actually funny.

[Ryriena]

Up until a few years ago, Bioware had a stellar pedigre, as far as I was concerned.

Why do you think I'm still so p*ssed after all this time?

I trusted Bioware a lot more than the normal gaming company. I didn't get that invested in stuff that come from sub par companies like I did with the Mass effect and Bioware. After, I played mass effect. I went and bought dragon age to Jade Empire from Amazon. Com. I trusted them to tell a great stories, so yeah, I'm too still pissed off for being deceived like that by them.

[CronoDragoon]

 I trusted them to tell a great stories, so yeah, I'm too still pissed off for being deceived like that by them.

 

Deceived? Christ people.

 

Edit: Then again, maybe I'm the idiot for frequenting game message boards with a distaste for hyperbole.