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[WraithTDK]

Final decision - what did you chose and why? Kind of seems to me like saving the council is the way to go story-wise, but it costs you war assets in ME3...

[Chashan]

Final decision - what did you chose and why? Kind of seems to me like saving the council is the way to go story-wise, but it costs you war assets in ME3...

 

I wouldn't count an arbitrary number being affected by a couple digits as a significant cost.

 

I find myself favouring focus-fire on Sovereign. Sound tactical grounds for that at that moment, and I love how it ties in with a Renegade-centric playthrough.

[cap and gown]

You ask like most of us have only played once. That may be true for the majority of players, but probably for only a minority of the people on these boards. My guess would be that most of us have done it both ways.

[WraithTDK]

You ask like most of us have only played once. That may be true for the majority of players, but probably for only a minority of the people on these boards. My guess would be that most of us have done it both ways.

 

Right, but I'd also wager that most of us have a particular playthrough - or more specifically a specific patter of choices and decisions FOR a playthrough - that they prefer. Honestly, this is my first go through; but I currently have more hours logged on the PC version of Dragon Age than anyone else on Steam or Raptr, so I get the jist of what you're saying. With Dragon Age, I've played through using every origin, done every ending, romanced every character, and then played through the fan-made content.

 

But through all that, there's always the story that consider my "personal cannon," the choices I always make that I feel make for the best story and experience. That's what I'm looking for here.

[geth47]

I´ve tried both ways.

 

But if I could only play it once, I´d say I would concentrate efforts on Sovereign. I mean, I spent the whole game trying to warn the fools, and they would not listen. Instead, they dismissed everything I had to say on the reapers, labeled me as crazy, never gave me any significant support, grounded me and my ship, and were just sitting ducks waiting for the reapers to invade. They not only abandoned the Destiny Ascension by such blindness, but they also abandoned the people living in the citadel and their own species in their respective home-worlds and colonies. And also the other races. In short: They endangered the entire galaxy and practically bought their extinction. 

 

And now they´re desperate for help (when we could have prevented this catastrophe from ever happening) and want me to endanger human lives? I say: "Scr*w them!" 

 

Well, maybe not really. I still feel bad for the other people aboard the DA, but I can not place human lives at additional danger against the geth while sovereign has not been dealt with yet. The geth can be dealt with, but the same is not true for the reapers should they invade in force. While I don´t enjoy seeing them (the council) dying, I must prioritize things and be expedient. To me, this is a no-brainer. 

 

 

I know that story-wise, given the repercussions and the newfound relations between aliens and humans, saving the council is the way to go. However, if it was up to me, in reality, having no way of knowing what the repercussions would be, I would go with "concentrate on the reaper". Sovereign is the real threat. It was the council´s biggest mistake not realizing this, and it´s not going to become mine. 

[SwobyJ]

Saved em. I'm not about to abandon galactic leadership just because I get pissy with them occasionally. Not if I can help it.

[themikefest]

In order to get the highest and lowest ems you have to save the council.

 

In all my playthroughs I've never saved the coucil.  I see no reason to save the council. I don't sacrifice humans for aliens.

[WraithTDK]

In order to get the highest and lowest ems you have to save the council.

 

In all my playthroughs I've never saved the coucil.  I see no reason to save the council. I don't sacrifice humans for aliens.

 

ems? Highest and lowest? 

 

School me about this, if you'd please (and no, I don't care about spoilers).

[Tommy6860]

I´ve tried both ways.

 

But if I could only play it once, I´d say I would concentrate efforts on Sovereign. I mean, I spent the whole game trying to warn the fools, and they would not listen. Instead, they dismissed everything I had to say on the reapers, labeled me as crazy, never gave me any significant support, grounded me and my ship, and were just sitting ducks waiting for the reapers to invade. They not only abandoned the Destiny Ascension by such blindness, but they also abandoned the people living in the citadel and their own species in their respective home-worlds and colonies. And also the other races. In short: They endangered the entire galaxy and practically bought their extinction. 

 

And now they´re desperate for help (when we could have prevented this catastrophe from ever happening) and want me to endanger human lives? I say: "Scr*w them!" 

 

Well, maybe not really. I still feel bad for the other people aboard the DA, but I can not place human lives at additional danger against the geth while sovereign has not been dealt with yet. The geth can be dealt with, but the same is not true for the reapers should they invade in force. While I don´t enjoy seeing them (the council) dying, I must prioritize things and be expedient. To me, this is a no-brainer. 

 

 

I know that story-wise, given the repercussions and the newfound relations between aliens and humans, saving the council is the way to go. However, if it was up to me, in reality, having no way of knowing what the repercussions would be, I would go with "concentrate on the reaper". Sovereign is the real threat. It was the council´s biggest mistake not realizing this, and it´s not going to become mine. 

 

I played ME1 by far, more than both ME2 and 3 combined, but I agree with your thinking, especially when it carries over into ME2 saving the council. What I highlighted in your post relates to my very first run in ME2 where I used the "Saved the Council" save game transfer. In ME2 when I encountered them for the first time upon meeting Anderson and I mentioned the Reapers again, Sparatus says, "Ahh yes, the Reapers, the immortal race of sentient starships allegedly waiting in dark space. We have dismissed that claim". I thought WTF! All of that after the ending of ME1 and I get my claims dismissed by that terse bit, wow! My wish then was that I had a dialogue choice where I could have said, "I somehow knew I'd regret saving your asses!"

[themikefest]

ems? Highest and lowest? 

 

School me about this, if you'd please (and no, I don't care about spoilers).

This is what you need to do to get the lowest ems

 

This is what you need to get the highest ems

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Well. Axel doesnt particularly like the like the Council all that much. Who would when they spend more time crawling up your ******* regardless of if you did the right thing, or went in all '**** da world.' and just stuck to the mission. That said, one doesnt need to like someone to understand them. He saw why they were being so stupid and decided to succeed in full spite of their refusal to give proper support. When it came down for him to save their asses, it wasnt done cause it was the right thing. It was done for the moment when he could just break out a little bit of the 'Who's the best? Touchdown Dance!' and tell them to go **** themselves before cleaning up the mess from their stupidity.

 

Yuuhi on the other hand... Their death papers were all signed the moment they fucked her over once. Every time over that just made it easier and easier to make the choice to leave them high and dry while sending in the Alliance do the deed. She does have enough of a problem with Udina though to not stand for his bullshit since its no better than what the tin foil hat assholes of Terra Firma would be promoting. Doesnt matter how ruthless one is, there is a limit to the sort of bullshit one can try in her presence.

[geth47]

 Tommy6860, they´re such a bunch of fools that even if you take legion with you on ME2 in order to see anderson for the first time, they will still deny the reaper´s existence. Even with a geth right in front of them recognizing the reapers as true and stating that sovereign was not a geth ship. 

 

In the long run, I know that saving them is the right choice story-wise because things will look brighter for humanity in its relations with other species, but they really beg to be killed. 

 

And the worse thing is, even if they perished, they´re just replaced by an equally (if not worse) trio of inept idiots.

 

I prefer to play both me1 and 2 as a paragon in most situations, but when it comes to the final decisions (saving the council and destroying the base) I think the renegade options are the most rational. Oh, and have anderson leading the council. Enough of political lethargy!

[capn233]

Save them.

[Tommy6860]

 Tommy6860, they´re such a bunch of fools that even if you take legion with you on ME2 in order to see anderson for the first time, they will still deny the reaper´s existence. Even with a geth right in front of them recognizing the reapers as true and stating that sovereign was not a geth ship. 

 

In the long run, I know that saving them is the right choice story-wise because things will look brighter for humanity in its relations with other species, but they really beg to be killed. 

 

And the worse thing is, even if they perished, they´re just replaced by an equally (if not worse) trio of inept idiots.

 

I prefer to play both me1 and 2 as a paragon in most situations, but when it comes to the final decisions (saving the council and destroying the base) I think the renegade options are the most rational. Oh, and have anderson leading the council. Enough of political lethargy!

Yes, I agree with this and not just from a diplomacy, or even an expediency POV of having a great standing with the other galactic races. Empathy was a driving force for me as well. I mean, just because there are other races, doesn't mean they don't have the same capacity to rationalize the value of life as humans do, else we'd probably be an afterthought after the humans discovered the ME technology and the ME relays.

[Barquiel]

I saved them.

- the DA is the most powerful ship of the Council races; it could be useful
- I save 10000 crewmembers
- leaving a cloud of hostile Geth ships behind Hacketts fleet while trying to defeat an unknown dreadnought didn't sound like a smart tactical decision to me
- saving the DA ensures political stability
- I like the original councilors

[Mordokai]

I saved them.

- the DA is the most powerful ship of the Council races; it could be useful
- I save 10000 crewmembers
- leaving a cloud of hostile Geth ships behind Hacketts fleet while trying to defeat an unknown dreadnought didn't sound like a smart tactical decision to me
- saving the DA ensures political stability
- I like the original councilors

 

This one has always bothered me, yeah. That's why I view the decision to attack Sovereign head on as a stupid tactical decision, not a wise one.

 

I always save the Council, even in my canon playthrough, which was the most renegade of them all. From my perspective, Shepard is a soldier, no matter what class you're playing. You know DA has a crew of ten thousand, one can assume mostly soldiers and military personnel. Any soldier that is willing to sacrifice ten thousand fellow soldiers because of the stupidity of three politicians is, in my books, a bad one. Race shouldn't matter here.

[SwobyJ]

This one has always bothered me, yeah. That's why I view the decision to attack Sovereign head on as a stupid tactical decision, not a wise one.

 

I always save the Council, even in my canon playthrough, which was the most renegade of them all. From my perspective, Shepard is a soldier, no matter what class you're playing. You know DA has a crew of ten thousand, one can assume mostly soldiers and military personnel. Any soldier that is willing to sacrifice ten thousand fellow soldiers because of the stupidity of three politicians is, in my books, a bad one. Race shouldn't matter here.

 

Depends what you're a soldier of...

 

The Alliance, or the galaxy... (remember in ME1 we're not even on the council, but just have an embassy)

 

Saving the Council = losing much more Alliance than otherwise.. this is confirmed (though yeah, we don't know more about it til ME2)

[Mordokai]

Depends what you're a soldier of...

 

The Alliance, or the galaxy... (remember in ME1 we're not even on the council, but just have an embassy)

 

Saving the Council = losing much more Alliance than otherwise.. this is confirmed (though yeah, we don't know more about it til ME2)

 

The Alliance got a surprise on geth fleet, for all the good that did them. High casualties were a possibility, but they had a tactical advantage that worked in their favor. On the other hand, leaving DA to hang dry would certainly result in death of ten thousand souls.

 

I chose a path that would certainly save a lot of lives, as opposed to the one who might end a lot them.

[SwobyJ]

I chose a path that would certainly save a lot of lives, as opposed to the one who might end a lot them.

 

Good way of describing the guiding logic to many Upper/Paragon-toned choices.

[Mordokai]

Good way of describing the guiding logic to many Upper/Paragon-toned choices.

 

I'm not sure whether that was supposed to be taken as an insult or compliment.

[SwobyJ]

I'm not sure whether that was supposed to be taken as an insult or compliment.

 

I'm at least 70-80% Paragon and saved the Council. It's an observation. lol

[Mordokai]

I'm at least 70-80% Paragon and saved the Council. It's an observation. lol

 

All too often I've seen sentiment that being paragon is seen as weakness, or something along those lines. That's why I asked.

[themikefest]

I saved them.

- the DA is the most powerful ship of the Council races; it could be useful
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The Destiny Ascenscion is useless. Why didn't it fire back at the Geth ships when first being attacked?

 

This one has always bothered me, yeah. That's why I view the decision to attack Sovereign head on as a stupid tactical decision, not a wise one.

 

I always save the Council, even in my canon playthrough, which was the most renegade of them all. From my perspective, Shepard is a soldier, no matter what class you're playing. You know DA has a crew of ten thousand, one can assume mostly soldiers and military personnel. Any soldier that is willing to sacrifice ten thousand fellow soldiers because of the stupidity of three politicians is, in my books, a bad one. Race shouldn't matter here.

Regardless if Shepard chooses the let the council die or not, Hackett could've overruled the order to see if the ship could be saved or not. He was in the battle and had a better view instead of Shepard.

[Zazzerka]

The Destiny Ascenscion is useless. Why didn't it fire back at the Geth ships when first being attacked?

 

How do you know it didn't?