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[themikefest]

How do you know it didn't?

How do you know it did?

[Zazzerka]

How do you know it did?

 

Because standard protocol for ships getting shot at is to shoot back? You would like to assume that it's useless, and crewed by asari high school drop-outs, since that would reinforce your decision to sacrifice it, but you're basing that off the fact that it isn't firing during the few seconds we see it in action. We're told it could rip a hole in any Alliance ship, so there's no reason to believe it didn't do the same to a few geth ships.

[Mordokai]

Regardless if Shepard chooses the let the council die or not, Hackett could've overruled the order to see if the ship could be saved or not. He was in the battle and had a better view instead of Shepard.

 

But he didn't.

[themikefest]

Because standard protocol for ships getting shot at is to shoot back? You would like to assume that it's useless, and crewed by asari high school drop-outs, since that would reinforce your decision to sacrifice it, but you're basing that the fact that it isn't firing during the few seconds we see it in action. We're told it could rip a hole in any Alliance ship, so there's no reason to believe it didn't do the same to a few geth ships.

Apparently they failed to fire back as shown in the cutscenes. And if it did rip a hole in any ship why didn't it show it? Why didn't it fire at Sovereign? If its as powerful as you say it could've damaged Soveriegn. The cutscenes show it doing nothing and the next cutscene has it flying away from the Citadel and the last cutscene shows it not moving or firing back while the Geth fire at it. The Commander of the ship failed because she had a panic attack and didn't know  how to respond.

 

. Apparently if its in ME3 it never fires at all during the battle over Earth. Again its useless. Its nothing but a hunk of metal that flies around.

[themikefest]

But he didn't.

No kidding.

[Barquiel]

Because standard protocol for ships getting shot at is to shoot back? You would like to assume that it's useless, and crewed by asari high school drop-outs, since that would reinforce your decision to sacrifice it, but you're basing that off the fact that it isn't firing during the few seconds we see it in action. We're told it could rip a hole in any Alliance ship, so there's no reason to believe it didn't do the same to a few geth ships.

Hackett: "It took multiple fleets, and the Destiny Ascension, to bring Sovereign down."

 

It doesn't get any more obvious than that...

[Zazzerka]

Apparently they failed to fire back as shown in the cutscenes. And if it did rip a hole in any ship why didn't it show it? Why didn't it fire at Sovereign? If its as powerful as you say it could've damaged Soveriegn. The cutscenes show it doing nothing and the next cutscene has it flying away from the Citadel and the last cutscene shows it not moving or firing back while the Geth fire at it. The Commander of the ship failed because she had a panic attack and didn't know  how to respond.

 

. Apparently if its in ME3 it never fires at all during the battle over Earth. Again its useless. Its nothing but a hunk of metal that flies around.

 

Not seeing it fire does not mean that it doesn't fire.

 

Maybe it did fire at Sovereign. It was probably busy with geth dreadnaughts.

 

I said it could single-handedly defeat the armour of Alliance ships and probably geth, not hunkered down Reapers.

 

The Commander of the ship only fails if you abandon her. Even the strongest tank can't survive attacks from all sides.

[Mordokai]

Hackett: "It took multiple fleets, and the Destiny Ascension, to bring Sovereign down."

 

It doesn't get any more obvious than that...

 

Oh you know, humanity is this special little snowflake... nothing ever gets done properly without us.

[themikefest]

Oh you know, humanity is this special little snowflake... nothing ever gets done properly without us.

The same can be said about Thessia and the asari.

[Mordokai]

The same can be said about Thessia and the asari.

 

Not really, no.

[themikefest]

Not really, no.

Yes you can. Why can't we call them out for not revealing the artifact? Why can't Shepard bad mouth the councilor? Thats right their special and can't do no wrong.

[Zazzerka]

Yes you can. Why can't we call them out for not revealing the artifact? Why can't Shepard bad mouth the councilor? Thats right their special and can't do no wrong.

 

Stop changing the subject. We're talking about the Destiny Ascension.

[Mordokai]

Yes you can. Why can't we call them out for not revealing the artifact? Why can't Shepard bad mouth the councilor? Thats right their special and can't do no wrong.

 

You're missing the point. Whether on purpose or not, I can't say. So I'll refer to this instead:

 

Stop changing the subject. We're talking about the Destiny Ascension.

[themikefest]

The destiny Ascension is a piece of crap.

[Mordokai]

The destiny Ascension is a piece of crap.

 

And we all love a well argumented, non-biased view from you

[Zazzerka]

The destiny Ascension is a piece of crap.

 

Do you feel the same way about the Kwunu? Or only the asari ships?

[Mordokai]

Do you feel the same way about the Kwunu? Or only the asari ships?

 

Oh, be serious. We all know anything not human made is basically crap and cannon fodder for the Reapers.

[geth47]

The Destiny Ascension reminds me of the Galaxy Class in star trek. What a waste of resources. So much better to built a large contingent of small or medium-size ships, all much more maneuverable and easily replaceable 

 

I mean, all it takes is one saboteur inside the DA main core and it blows up with all hands. Too many resources, as well as personal staff in a single spot. I doubt it can defend itself against a large fleet of smaller ships without being escorted by smaller ships that can maneuver. 

 

And it did not take the DA to beat sovereign if it was destroyed prior to the citadel arms being re-opened. It only helps defeat sovereign if the normandy and the human fleet destroyed the geth armada first. 

 

Btw, unless I´m very much mistaken, even if you save it, the confrontation with the reaper in the cut-scene plays out in the exact same way. 

 

The human fleet did not know the reaper´s level of strength, so they could not waste ships in my line of thinking in order to make sure that the reaper was defeated. Later, forces from the alliance and the citadel races can eliminate the geth should they survive the encounter, but the priority of priorities is to make sure the reaper will not open the door for the other reapers. 

 

I was saddened when, in my inaction, the ship exploded, knowing there were so many soldiers aboard, but the fault rests entirely on the citadel leadership, the council. Their blindness led to this outcome. They can blame shepard and the humans, but in their weakness these foolish aliens will even rather blame entirely the geth for the incident, and pretend that the reapers don´t even exist. They are way too dumb to survive. 

[WraithTDK]

I guess it depends on if you're playing renegade or paragon. A renegade shepherd I can absolutely see taking on the tone of most of this thread "stuff them, I've warned them from day 1. They made their bed; I'm not going to put humans at risk because they don't want to lie in it."

Conversely, I pay paragon, and I ultimately decided to save them. As Shepherd, I'm a soldier.As a soldier, my duty is clear. If the president was being held behind enemy lines, we wouldn't hesitate to send a large team of SEALS to rescue him. Yes, they're aliens, but it seems pretty clear extra-terestialism (which is what I'm guess they'd call the anti-alien version of racism) is as divisive in this future as racism is in the present. I wasn't about to neglect my duty because they're not from my 'hood. I'm not going to say they're a lower priority because they're not from my world.

[geth47]

My shepard is paragon too, and yet, I think they better perish. it´s not only the harsh thing to do, but the sensible and rational thing to do in such a situation.

 

The citadel fleet can be rebuilt, the geth can be defeated in another day. But the reaper must not be allowed to succeed, otherwise all is lost. 

 

Taking the collector base was also the right thing to do. The people who died there will continue dead anyway. It´s not like I´m validating the collector´s practices or killing new colonists. I´m just trying to learn as much as I can based on what the enemy has already done. It´s not really wise to destroy something you can take possession and try to understand. 

 

I would say that during the whole trilogy, whenever you reach a climax (the end of 1, 2 and 3) the renegade and paragon options change positions. Advancing towards the geth too soon would be akin to a berserker that tries to bite more than he may be able to chew. The main thing is to defeat sovereign. Shoul soverign fail, the entire invasion fails. 

[WraithTDK]

Saving the council does not preclude stopping sovereign. 

[I Tsunayoshi I]

The Destiny Ascension is useless. Why didn't it fire back at the Geth ships when first being attacked?

One could say that it was firing, but since the cutscenes never show it in action or much of the battle in space, we do not get to see what the DA could do. Though honestly, you could just look down at my other reply and see my issue with the DA even being there in the first place.

 

Not seeing it fire does not mean that it doesn't fire.

 

Maybe it did fire at Sovereign. It was probably busy with geth dreadnaughts.

 

I said it could single-handedly defeat the armour of Alliance ships and probably geth, not hunkered down Reapers.

The Destiny Ascension should not have even been there to stand up and fight in the first place. They had 3 major VIPs on board and the clear focus of the attack was not them. If the ship had fled, they could have been able to escape. Regardless of the choice made to save them or not, the DA wasnt essential to victory in that battle.

 

As for Dreadnaughts, I'm of the belief that the Geth did not have any at that point. If they did, it would have been extremely easy to distinguish from the rest of the Geth Fleet following Sovereign.

[SporkFu]

I saved the council most of the time. It was interesting to see the little differences in ME2 when you don't save the council. The one that stands out in my mind is the turian gun-shop clerk on the citadel and his attitude towards humans. I'm sure there are other incidents like that but I can't recall them off the top of my head. 

 

But ultimately Tevos is better looking than her replacement. not serious. 

[Mordokai]

The Destiny Ascension reminds me of the Galaxy Class in star trek. What a waste of resources. So much better to built a large contingent of small or medium-size ships, all much more maneuverable and easily replaceable 

 

I mean, all it takes is one saboteur inside the DA main core and it blows up with all hands. Too many resources, as well as personal staff in a single spot. I doubt it can defend itself against a large fleet of smaller ships without being escorted by smaller ships that can maneuver. 

 

And it did not take the DA to beat sovereign if it was destroyed prior to the citadel arms being re-opened. It only helps defeat sovereign if the normandy and the human fleet destroyed the geth armada first. 

 

Btw, unless I´m very much mistaken, even if you save it, the confrontation with the reaper in the cut-scene plays out in the exact same way. 

 

The human fleet did not know the reaper´s level of strength, so they could not waste ships in my line of thinking in order to make sure that the reaper was defeated. Later, forces from the alliance and the citadel races can eliminate the geth should they survive the encounter, but the priority of priorities is to make sure the reaper will not open the door for the other reapers. 

 

I was saddened when, in my inaction, the ship exploded, knowing there were so many soldiers aboard, but the fault rests entirely on the citadel leadership, the council. Their blindness led to this outcome. They can blame shepard and the humans, but in their weakness these foolish aliens will even rather blame entirely the geth for the incident, and pretend that the reapers don´t even exist. They are way too dumb to survive. 

 

*sigh* I can just tell this will not end well... but that has never stopped me before.

 

All big ships need protection of smaller ships. DA is meant for fights like the one against Sovereign, but with Council on board, they can't engage with Sovereign directly, since that would endanger the safety of councilors. That doesn't mean the ship wouldn't need protection and interception by smaller vessels, to defend it against mosquito bites.

 

You're really pulling the whole "one saboteur" argument here? That's pretty much implying the whole ship is manned by nothing but incompetent fools who can't tell starboard from port. I have no idea how the ship is built, but there's bound to be protection, guards to go through... like, billion checkpoints. You don't simply sneak aboard with ton of TNT and blow everything sky high. That might work in Hollywood movies, but not in real life... or, in this case, the game. And whatever you might think of aliens or asari in particular, they are not that incompetent.

 

Sure, we know nothing ever gets done until humans get their paws in there, but still, that's pretty gross simplification you're making there.

 

That work both ways: the scene doesn't changes at all if you didn't save DA, the fleet still gets decimated by Sovereign. So, by that logic, why not save DA?

 

And, as Barquiel mentioned... leaving who knows how many enemy ships behind you, possibly later getting them in your back... it's generally not considered a wise move. Especially because, as you mentioned, Alliance didn't knew what was waiting for them. Dealing with an unknown threat and always expecting something to get you in the back at any time... no, not good idea at all.

[General TSAR]

I find Admiral Mikhailovich to be far more useful to the war effort than a glass cannon.