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[Nyeredzi]

I believe that the main "villain" is connected to the Venatori. He is a misunderstood antagonist, who's goal is to end the mage/non-mage conflict permanently by turning every mundane being on Thedas into Mages.

 

This is because magic cannot be taken away without causing tranquility, and new mages will be born. He will do this by getting rid of the veil, so he can expose every mundane, none-magical being in Thedas to magic. Making the "change" that we have been hearing about from Sandal, and other characters like Morrigan, and Flemeth, possible.

 

I will tell you why he is a male. But first read Sandal's prophecy, and watch the Dragon Age Inquisition Pax Demo 24:34

 

Sandal says: "When he rises, everyone will see."

This of course can be referring to the Inquisitor who can be male or female, but the inquisitor isn't the one who caused the veil tear, or the one making this change in the world. He's trying to find the guy doing this.

 

During the pax demo, the Venatori Enchanter yelled out: "He will reign!"

 

We don't know what caused the veil tear, but we do know that the inquisitor was there, and that he has a choice; to stand against the closing darkness/change, or leave this world to its bitter "end"/ to accept the change

[SerCambria358]

Eh i disagree right off the bat. I think the Ventatori worship them as a god/messiah/whatever but in reality he/she could care less about his/her worshippers, they have a goal. I aslo think they are a legitimate evil threat although i think it would be better if they were misunderstood though forced to kill them anyways.

[iOnlySignIn]

Since magic cannot be taken away without causing tranquility, he will do this by basically turning everyone into a mage. He will get rid of the veil so he can expose every mundane, none-magical being in Thedas to magic. Making the "change" that we have been hearing about from Sandal (especially Sandal), and other characters like Morrigan, and Flemeth, possible.

 

Splendid!

 

Can I play as this "villain" then because that's the thing I've always wanted to do in Thedas?

 

Oh, and also give everyone Gunpowder. Let's not forget about Gunpowder.

[Nyeredzi]

 

 

 

Splendid!

 

Can I play as this "villain" then because that's the thing I've always wanted to do in Thedas?

 

Oh, and also give everyone Gunpowder. Let's not forget about Gunpowder.

 

guns..thedas will turn into weird

[SwobyJ]

I would not be surprised.

[Shrayev]

I'm not sold on this leader being a misunderstood antagonist in the sense that you've posited -- meaning, I'm unsure of his motives -- but I totally agree about the Venatori being tied to this breach in the Fade. I'm looking forward to seeing them fleshed out more soon; we don't have much to go on, yet.

[mrpoultry]

I personally think the antagonist was playing scrabble and wrote the password to open the veil by accident.

[DrBlingzle]

Plot twist: the inquisitor is actually the one who ripped the veil and got amnesia from the blast which created the breach.

On topic: In all seriousness I like the idea and it's perfectly possible. That being said I doubt it'll turn out to be true purely because there are so many other possibilities that the antagonist could be. Only time will tell however.

[yakaman91]

I believe that the main "villain" is connected to the Venatori. He is a misunderstood, antagonist, who's goal is to end the mage, and non-mage problems permanently.

 

Since magic cannot be taken away without causing tranquility, he will basically turning everyone into a mage. He will do this by getting rid of the veil, so he can expose every mundane, none-magical being in Thedas to magic. Making the "change" that we have been hearing about from Sandal, and other characters like Morrigan, and Flemeth, possible.

 

First question: what/who are the Venatori?  This is what I found on a Dragon Age Wiki...

 

The Venatori are an armed faction of humans whose activities have brought it into conflict with the restored Inquisition.^[1]

 

...not a whole lot to go on.  Please fill me in if there's more out there.  I don't think I can comment on them until we get a little bit more detail on what they're all about.  Regarding your proposed motive of the big baddie: feasible.  The necessity of the veil is something I think about all the time.  Why was it put in place?  When was it put in place?  Who gained from it?  Who lost?

 

Here are some possible motives for tearing (removing?) the veil:

• Remove to restore Mage-Templar conflict
• Remove to restore original world order in favor of whatever faction (i.e. Elves) 
• Remove to affect the "Deity War" (i.e. aid/hinder the Maker or Fen'Harel or Flemeth or Old Gods or whomever)
• Remove as means to an end for good (i.e. the Veil is an artificial construct applied by some outside force to specifically hurt Thedas)
• Remove as means to an end for greed/ambition (i.e. a renewed assault on the "Golden City" or other power grab)
• Crazy person's plan is crazy

So, while the Venatori might be in favor of someone they believe to behind the veil tear, I wonder if anyone will really know (at least right away).  A massive event happens, and a bunch of people/groups will race to find meaning.  The Venatori might be the chosen of The Enemy, or they might be crazies like the Dragon Cult people from DA:O.

[Nyeredzi]

First question: what/who are the Venatori?  This is what I found on a Dragon Age Wiki...

 

The Venatori are an armed faction of humans whose activities have brought it into conflict with the restored Inquisition.^[1]

 

...not a whole lot to go on.  Please fill me in if there's more out there.  I don't think I can comment on them until we get a little bit more detail on what they're all about.  Regarding your proposed motive of the big baddie: feasible.  The necessity of the veil is something I think about all the time.  Why was it put in place?  When was it put in place?  Who gained from it?  Who lost?

 

Here are some possible motives for tearing (removing?) the veil:

• Remove to restore Mage-Templar conflict
• Remove to restore original world order in favor of whatever faction (i.e. Elves) 
• Remove to affect the "Deity War" (i.e. aid/hinder the Maker or Fen'Harel or Flemeth or Old Gods or whomever)
• Remove as means to an end for good (i.e. the Veil is an artificial construct applied by some outside force to specifically hurt Thedas)
• Remove as means to an end for greed/ambition (i.e. a renewed assault on the "Golden City" or other power grab)
• Crazy person's plan is crazy

So, while the Venatori might be in favor of someone they believe to behind the veil tear, I wonder if anyone will really know (at least right away).  A massive event happens, and a bunch of people/groups will race to find meaning.  The Venatori might be the chosen of The Enemy, or they might be crazies like the Dragon Cult people from DA:O.

they have the Tervinter sign as their symbol

[Swaggerjking]

I am so  tired of misunderstood villains who are only trying to make a world a better place by horrible means just like the reapers  trying to end all chaos by killing everybody and it is being over use so much lately 

 

In DAo Everybody agrees the archdemon is evil but since and even before then almost ever single antagonist is trying to do the right thing and goes turn  crazy and goes over totally board
1 loghain thinks he doing right thing by leaving the king to die

2 architect think he is going to stop the blight 

3 Meredith trying to protect the city getts turn crazy by red lyruim

4 The Illusive man thinks he doing the right thing

5 heck even anders thinks he doing the right and does something most people call evil 

[megamacka]

@Swagger 

 

 

 

 What do you want then? A mustache twirling nonsense '' Look at me I am evil, and I do bad things '' antagonist? People are complicated. As bad as Hitler was, he was still a person with good and bad sides. And he believed in his own bullshit. People don't do things '' just because '', I've heard people wondering why Flemeth helped the warden if she's not '' good ''....

 

 Why not? The Blight was a threat to her as well, take the renegade shepard for instance in Mass effect. The reapers were a threat to him/her too. Id rather have characters that act as real people that you can actually sympathize with, Loghain for instance was driven insane by memories and paranoia. And it wasn't really unjustified either.

Heck, religious people denying others basic human rights as well as try to get rid of homosexuality actually believes that they are doing the right thing. Because in their little imaginary world, they're saving homosexuals from damnation. Same thing in Africa, which I've seen first hand. They hold food hostage and basically force people to convert, otherwise they wont get any food or medicine. And they actually try to justify this by '' We are saving them from hell ''. 

 

  Morrigan for instance, look at the way that she acts. And her mask kept slipping all the time in DA:origins, she's been raised from birth into believing everything that Flemeth has told her, repeat something for long enough and it becomes the '' truth ''. She really had no choice in the matter, some people do manage to fight past it. But only VERY few. It's indoctrination ( no, no ME pun intended ). Especially if you romanced her ( ROMANCED, not sleep with her. They're two completely different things ). Then you truly see her slip, and then latch right back on again. I don't really think that she wanted to leave to begin with, but she '' had to ''.

As much as I like Morrigans character, she's probably going to fall as a victim in the end. I don't think that she'll get through. I still think that she's pretty much Flemeths puppet, and Flemeth ain't really up to do nice things.

 

  Id rather have two ideologies that both makes sense, mages vs templar for example. Than mustache twirling evil nonsense. You can make good cases for both sides, Both sides are in the right and wrong.

[Heimdall]

Eh i disagree right off the bat. I think the Ventatori worship them as a god/messiah/whatever but in reality he/she could care less about his/her worshippers, they have a goal. I aslo think they are a legitimate evil threat although i think it would be better if they were misunderstood though forced to kill them anyways.

I agree about the Venatori.

 

I still think the antagonist is trying to bring back Elvhenan in some fashion.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

My idea about making a hypothesis about a video game villain:

 

Go play a video game, read something or watch something instead of making hypothesis and wasting time. It's not like Bioware would listen to your ideas. Most likely Bioware avoids any idea written in these forums! And eventually they'll do and write what they like for the game.

[DrBlingzle]

My idea about making a hypothesis about a video game villain:

Go play a video game, read something or watch something instead of making hypothesis and wasting time. It's not like Bioware would listen to your ideas. Most likely Bioware avoids any idea written in these forums! And eventually they'll do and write what they like for the game.

Yeah how dare you come up with your own ideas!
The OPs not recommending his idea to the devs, they're just sharing their idea to anyone who's interested. In fact the only one who appears to be wasting their time is you, seeing as you're the one not contributing to the topic.

[Nyeredzi]

I am so  tired of misunderstood villains who are only trying to make a world a better place by horrible means just like the reapers  trying to end all chaos by killing everybody and it is being over use so much lately 

 

In DAo Everybody agrees the archdemon is evil but since and even before then almost ever single antagonist is trying to do the right thing and goes turn  crazy and goes over totally board
1 loghain thinks he doing right thing by leaving the king to die

2 architect think he is going to stop the blight 

3 Meredith trying to protect the city getts turn crazy by red lyruim

4 The Illusive man thinks he doing the right thing

5 heck even anders thinks he doing the right and does something most people call evil 

Well this villain is not using horrible means, he is just removing the veil to expose every mundane thing to magic, kind of like Synthesis from Mass Effect.

 

Mages, and Mundanes/normal people will keep ruining each other for eternity if no one does something. The tranquil stuff doesn't work, plus new mages are born everyday. Many mages don't even like tranquility, so there is friction.

 

What else works if you cannot get rid of magic? Join Magic. Turn every one into a mage, so that no one will be superior or inferior to anyone, because everyone will be the same.

 

You will still be whoever you were, but with magic. With the veil gone, Thedas will be pretty much be merged with the Fade, where magic cumss from. Everything will be one with magic. Fiends will be present all over thedas, and the world will be more "magical", which can be a good/bad thing.

[megamacka]

My idea about making a hypothesis about a video game villain:

 

Go play a video game, read something or watch something instead of making hypothesis and wasting time. It's not like Bioware would listen to your ideas. Most likely Bioware avoids any idea written in these forums! And eventually they'll do and write what they like for the game.

Did it ever occur to you that some of us enjoy it?

I and A LOT of people greatly enjoy headcanoning things long after even. There's this thing you know. Called... Oh what was it... Imag....i....imagi.... Imagination?... 

I think that most people these days don't really know how to truly use their own imagination anymore. Anyone else remember playing DnD? Imho, when you have learned to really use your imagination and set yourself into other worlds. It's a lot more powerful than games, movies or books can ever be. it takes a lot of practice tho, I think it has a lot to do with upbringing and personality too. Most of my irl friends just watch a movie or play a game, and then they're done with it.

While I sit back and analyze the story, the characters and their motivations etc for sometimes years. Heck, I am still bringing up characters from Baldurs gate, neverwinter nights, torment, kotor and more.

 

  Not everyone just plays games for a quick action fix. To some of us, a story with depth is far more important than seeing blood pixels on a screen.

[Nyeredzi]

The magic will come back.

[KC_Prototype]

I do agree that the prophecy Sandal mentioned in DA2 is about the maker or the DA:I antagonist. At first I thought it was about the inquisitor but Sandal said "He" which implies male and the inquisitor can be female.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Even if 1 person is saved from misguided forum hypothesis, that's a triumph for me!

[Nyeredzi]

Even if 1 person is saved from misguided forum hypothesis, that's a triumph for me!

as shepard would say: I'v had enough of your tabloid journalism! 

 

Punch, dogded

 

Headebutt...success

[DumSheeps]

SPOILER MASKED EMPIRE

Spoiler

I think he is the entity in the end of the book.

[Nemis-Roidsavelt]

I am so  tired of misunderstood villains who are only trying to make a world a better place by horrible means just like the reapers  trying to end all chaos by killing everybody and it is being over use so much lately 

 

In DAo Everybody agrees the archdemon is evil but since and even before then almost ever single antagonist is trying to do the right thing and goes turn  crazy and goes over totally board
1 loghain thinks he doing right thing by leaving the king to die

2 architect think he is going to stop the blight 

3 Meredith trying to protect the city getts turn crazy by red lyruim

4 The Illusive man thinks he doing the right thing

5 heck even anders thinks he doing the right and does something most people call evil 

WTH Anders isn't evil. He is fighting against oppression and injustice. The people that were murdered in that chantry were not innocent. The did nothing to move things towards a better direction of freedom for the mages. When in a position of power and authority should you choose to do nothing about oppression and slavery it is the same thing as enabling it. The deserved to die for their crimes against humanity. Human beings have rights. God given rights, and not even god himself has the right to take them away from us.

[Swaggerjking]

Firstly I am just tired of the I'm trying do good but to do it I must do evil stuff but I rather have someone who evil have motive to be evil probably a bit more personal or just someone pretending to be a more misunderstood character but is really doing for their self or trying to get power all I just like the misunderstood been use a little to muxh and I know Anders Is a bit of a stretch but who is to says the people in the chantry deserved to die there were probably innocent civilians praying and their could of been mage supporters in their ranks like the templars who helped the mages