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[DeinonSlayer]

Please note: NOT a Quarian vs Geth thread.

It occurred to me that, in ME3, the Far Rim is the first system we get to en rout to Rannoch. This would suggest that the relay in Haestrom's star system is a primary relay, while the relay in the Tikkun system is a secondary relay (like how the Charon Relay is a secondary relay leading to Arcturus - you can fly from Sol to Arcturus in three days with conventional FTL). You have to pass through Haestrom's solar system, whose star is rapidly dying, to get back out to the wider galaxy.

When Haestrom's sun goes supernova, will the loss of the relay cut off Rannoch from the wider galaxy until the Dholen relay (like the Mu relay before it) is rediscovered after the planetary nebula cools, thousands of years later?

Maybe Tali's mission to Haestrom in ME2 wasn't so pointless after all...

[shodiswe]

I don't think that relay was nessesary to get to Rannoch, it was probably a local relay.

Or, maybe, it's how Bioware intends to remove the Quarians and Geth from the next Mass effect series.

They were only interesting as long as they served to create a synthetic vs organic conflict to support the Catalysts claim... After that they are no longer needed. (In the writers opinion, maybe?)

[shodiswe]

While the Krogans grew numerous and then nuked themselves to extinction.

All to provide us with new enemies and species with ethical problems.

[Bob from Accounting]

You are aware that supernovas are relatively rare events? That nowhere close to every star dies with a supernova?

[DeinonSlayer]

You are aware that supernovas are relatively rare events? That nowhere close to every star dies with a supernova?

Yes. Our sun will expand to a red giant and blow off its outer layers in a planetary nebula, leaving a white dwarf at its core (now here comes the accusation that I had to look that up).

You are aware that going supernova is exactly what they said Haestrom's sun was expected to do? "All for information about stars blowing up..."

[Bob from Accounting]

No, I think 'blowing up' could easily just mean the star swelling. And besides, it's a very casual context. Looking at the codex, it does say Haestorm's sun is likely to turn into a red giant. Which don't normally supernova.

 

In any case, it's unclear if whatever process is accelerating its aging would continue once the hydrogen is used up. It very well might not, in which case the process would be on the magnitude of a billion years or so.

[N172]

The whole Haestrom thing was part of the dark energy plot.

Tali mentions it in one of those audiologs.

[Nethalf]

Keep in mind, a secondary relay can link to any other relay over short distance. And there always can be another primary relay not far from Rannoch system we just didn't happen to learn about in-game.

 

The question is, is there any other primary relay near of Rannoch's secondary one? If there is, then no worries

 

But I guess, a sun going supernova is hella dangerous itself, even for life in another system.

[DeinonSlayer]

No, I think 'blowing up' could easily just mean the star swelling. And besides, it's a very casual context. Looking at the codex, it does say Haestorm's sun is likely to turn into a red giant. Which don't normally supernova.

In any case, it's unclear if whatever process is accelerating its aging would continue once the hydrogen is used up. It very well might not, in which case the process would be on the magnitude of a billion years or so.

It's true that the mechanism is unknown. Hydrostatic equilibrium is being disrupted. The degree to which matter in the star's core is being compressed is unknown, but the fusion reaction would have to be accelerated to start blowing off outer layers, which means core mass has increased significantly. This may be like what happened to Jupiter in Clarke's "2010," with matter in the core being compressed beyond what would occur naturally, progressing beyond the mass at which a white dwarf would be formed and towards neutron star density.

[Bob from Accounting]

Wowie Kazowie, there's some five-dollar words being thrown around in this thread. 'Hydrostatic equilibrium,' huh?

[KaiserShep]

Wowie Kazowie, there's some five-dollar words being thrown around in this thread. 'Hydrostatic equilibrium,' huh?

 

Not sure what the big deal is with this phrase, since there's a hydrostatic equilibrium between the layers of stars.

[Zazzerka]

Good band name.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Wowie Kazowie, there's some five-dollar words being thrown around in this thread. 'Hydrostatic equilibrium,' huh?

 

Have you never taken an astronomy class? Hell, have you never watched Cosmos? They explain what it is and its relevance to gravity. Granted, I'd argue about it's usage in stellar mechanics, but there is a fluid concept to the ionized radiation being emitted by the star that is counterbalanced by gravity. All the while, the pressure and heat is what is causing fusion and making heavier elements. The in's pushing out and the out's pushing in. If the in win's, you get the red giant that Sol will become in about 5 billion years, and the star will cast off its layers leaving the dense, superhot core (a white dwarf). If the out wins, depending on the mass of the star, you'll either have the pressure on the core be so great that the individual nucleus' of the atoms in the core will be compacted against each other tightly and the release from that will cause a massive supernova (or possibly a hypernova), or the mass is so great that the gravity is practically unstoppable and you get an object with infinite mass, with such a powerful gravitational pull that not even light can escape, thus making a black hole, and the surface and image of the object is invisible.

 

It's a big word. That doesn't mean that since you don't know it, it's fake. And I thought I'd give you a little crash course in high mass stellar death cycles. Teach you some real science.

[KaiserShep]

Have you never taken an astronomy class? Hell, have you never watched Cosmos?

 

Bro, do you even Sagan?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Bro, do you even Sagan?

 

I do. I do Sagan. And I put Neil deGrasse Tyson on my beats. Pop 'n' fresh money.

[DeinonSlayer]

*brofist*

[von uber]

You should look up professor brian cox.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

The main point is that  the relay system shown on the galaxy map is only a tiny fraction of the actual number of relays, so perhaps they can always take the ringroad

 

 

The simple answer is, if the writers decide to advance the plot and keep the quarians in existance, it will be either cut off, or it won't.

[AlanC9]

Anyway, there shouldn't be a problem with finding the Haestrom relay after the nova. When you send a ship through from the other side you'll know where the relay is. The problem with the Mu relay was that there wasn't anybody on the other side.

[DeinonSlayer]

Anyway, there shouldn't be a problem with finding the Haestrom relay after the nova. When you send a ship through from the other side you'll know where the relay is. The problem with the Mu relay was that there wasn't anybody on the other side.

Oh. Right. Duh.

Guess it just boils down to how long it'll take, post-nova, for the system to be safe to enter again. Unless the secondary relay to Rannoch and the primary relay to the wider galaxy travel in significantly different directions.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Haestrom's sun doesn't seem to be of a mass large enough to go super nova. Forget what Tali said about "stars blowing up and all...." Stellar mass is going to rule all here. In fact it is in the wikia that Haestrom's sun is aging prematurely and will enter the red giant stage. It should behave no differently than our sun since Dholen is one solar mass. Mass relays seem to be typically around the orbit of Pluto in distance from their stars (about 29 AU). Dholen, like our sun, might expand to 2 AU (about the orbit of Mars). We don't have to worry about anything like a black hole or anything catastrophic. The mass relay in that system should remain safe.

[Excella Gionne]

The Dark Energy spreading, yes, how Bioware has dismissed that claim. All in all, the whole thing about the star dying by Dark energy may have been cut by Bioware as a lore thing. Because the Dark energy theory is one that is hard to dismiss since ME2 made such a big deal about it with other characters. Not sure if ME3 even mentioned the star dying anymore as every game updates the last. It's possible to say that Haestrom's sun may not being dying at all.

[KaiserShep]

Wouldn't it be something if a version of the Dark Energy plot made its way into the new game.

[Excella Gionne]

It should have anyways, but the Dark Energy plot should not have to be "the" ending, but "an" ending. I remember someone saying that Shepard sacrificed the human race to allow reapers to produce a new human reaper to stop the Dark energy spread, and that this was the only ending. It would have been mind fudging ending.

[AlanC9]

I think the original plan was for Shepard to have a choice there. Of course, without the human Reaper... everyone dies anyway, right?