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[Seival]

I'm one of those, who completely ignored the series. Just didn't like what I knew about the setting in general and didn't want to find out more. But things changed after I decided to try recently released MGS 5: GZ. I tried the very first available mission, and was really surprised by how well the little part of the story was told. I was intrigued, and decided to learn more about the series, to decide if I want to continue exploring it.

 

At first it was a headache... I watched some movies on YouTube, read some articles, and understood that timeline and scenario are quite hard for newcomer to understand. But what I've learned was enough for me to decide to play through the entire series, and not just play, but play in chronological order, and ignoring all unneeded spin-offs. And here I need an advice from core MGS fans, if there are any here...

 

...There is so called Metal Gear Solid: Legacy Collection, that containes 8 MGS games. It appears that people divide all MGS games on "canon" and "non-canon", and it looks like MGS: LC contain only all "canon" games. Is it correct?

 

Also I need confirmation the following in-game timeline is 100% correct:

1964 – Snake Eater
1970 – Portable Ops
1974 – Peace Walker
1974 – Ground Zeroes
1984 – The Phantom Pain
1995 – Metal Gear
1999 – Solid Snake
2005 – Metal Gear Solid
2007 – Sons of Liberty
2014 – Guns of the Patriots

 

If the timeline is correct, and all listed games are "canon", then Metal Gear Solid: Legacy Collection covers the entire timeline, while Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain add the last missing pieces to the story. My plan is to complete all games in the series in chronological order, i.e. Snake Eater -> Portable Ops -> Peace Walker -> Ground Zeroes -> ...wait till The Phantom Pain release and play through the game... -> Metal Gear -> Solid Snake -> Metal Gear Solid -> Sons of Liberty -> Guns of the Patriots.

 

 

 

...This will be a long ride, and from what I've learned during my preparations I suppose it will be truly amazing story. But I need to know if my plan to learn the full canon story is correct in terms of timelines and game titles before I'll purchase MGS: LC and start playing.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Portable ops isn't on the Legacy collection.

But it's not necessary, as Kojima only considers it "Kinda canon"

Which is at least better than what he considers NES Metal Gear, Snakes Revenge, and the ACiD games.

[Seival]

Portable ops isn't on the Legacy collection.

But it's not necessary, as Kojima only considers it "Kinda canon"

Which is at least better than what he considers NES Metal Gear, Snakes Revenge, and the ACiD games.

I see... so I guess I can skip Portable Ops with no problems in understanding the full story?

 

What are NES Metal Gear and Snake's Revange? Not sure if I heared about them before.

So, ACiD and Rising really aren't canon? That's good to hear.

Other than things you told about, is the list of games and the timeline correct?

[AresKeith]

ACiD isn't canon, and Rising is canon

[TheChris92]

Metal Gear is the very first Metal Gear game created by Hideo Kojima, dictating some events that are mentioned in Metal Gear Solid, and a few other Metal Gear Solid games -- It is important to note though that given how old the game is -- the events of the game have since been 'retconned' to an extent but not much in the Solid series. In retrospect, you might call the Metal Gear Solid series a completely new franchise from the old Metal Gear games of the NES. Snake's Revenge is a silly non-canon sequel to Metal Gear, which is loathed by most fans of the franchise (for good reasons too). Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake is the actual sequel made by Hideo Kojima. Metal Gear Rising is a dumb hacko-slasho-button-o-masho made by Plantinum Games, so if you like a game with fun gameplay but dumb story trying to be meta then you can probably derive some enjoyment out of that one -- It is not needed for playing the actual Metal Gear Solid games though. Rising is its own thing Metal Gear Acid is some sort of spin-off game that has no bearing on the main franchise whatsoever -- Feel free to ignore those.

 

It is recommended that you simply play the games in order of their release, because Snake Eater & Peace Walker will potentially spoil Metal Gear Solid 1 & 2, a bit. So play them like this -- MGS 1, Sons of Liberty, Snake Eater, Guns of the Patriots, Peace Walker, then GZ but since you've already done that then Peace Walker might not surprise as much in its story presentation.

[TheClonesLegacy]

I see... so I guess I can skip Portable Ops with no problems in understanding the full story?

 

What are NES Metal Gear and Snake's Revange? Not sure if I heared about them before.

So, ACiD and Rising really aren't canon? That's good to hear.

Other than things you told about, is the list of games and the timeline correct?

No Risings Canon...and Awesome.

 

NES Metal Gear is the port of the original MSX game made for the Nintendo Entertainment System, and Snakes Revenge is its sequel. Kojima hates both these games with a passion.

 

POs main contributions are how Big Boss got his money to start his army, that's all.

 

Yeah TimeLines correct.

[TheChris92]

No Risings Canon...and Awesome.

Nope
 

POs main contributions are how Big Boss got his money to start his army, that's all.

Except the part where it wasn't.

 

Ignoring Portable Ops would be a smart choice. It literally only gets 1 line of mention in Peace Walker.

[AresKeith]

I thought Rising was ok and enjoyed the characters, the story itself not so much

[TheClonesLegacy]

Nope
 

Except the part where it wasn't.

 

Ignoring Portable Ops would be a smart choice. It literally only gets 1 line of mention in Peace Walker.

 

Lol@MGRRnotbeingawesome.

 

...Yeah, it is. Genes money allows Big Boss to kick off FOXHOUND and Militaires Sans Frontières unless I'm forgetting something. Or do you deem the Psychic chick as important?

[TheChris92]

Lol@MGRRnotbeingawesome.

Lol at MGRR being awesome
 

...Yeah, it is. Genes money allows Big Boss to kick off FOXHOUND

The funds Gene hands over to Big Boss are never explained or even acknowledged in Peace Walker, given that Snake starts off without squat.

[TheClonesLegacy]

The funds Gene hands over to Big Boss are never explained or even acknowledged in Peace Walker, given that Snake starts off without squat.

It's implied in PO, don't be anal retentive about this.

[TheChris92]

It's implied in PO, don't be anal retentive about this.

Spoiler

He literally hands over all of his funds for his Army's Heaven & Troops to Snake and you'd think that he'd at least would have a base by the time of Peace Walker --

How's that being anal retentive?

To the OP -- There's literally no reason to play Portable Ops, when Peace Walker exists. Let's leave it at that.

[TheClonesLegacy]

...FINE...

[TheClonesLegacy]

The original game was on the MSX, which the NES version is NOT a port of. Or I should say, a terrible port of.

Oh, sorry, yeah, didn't clarify.

I fixed it, no problem Reezy

[eternal_napalm]

I'll grab Ground Zeroes when it's $10 on PSN. I never played Metal Gear Solid before, looking forward to playing V.

[RuthlessGravity]

First and most importantly, since you played Ground Zeroes, expect the other games to not quite exactly fit that formula of that installement. Ground Zeroes plays in many ways like the recent Splinter Cell Game. It's fast, loose, but sticks to the core value of the original so it's not watered down. For any new comer to the series, it's difficult. Each game has it's own unique style of gameplay. Metal Gear Solid 1 & 2 has more of an arcade style to stealth while 3 is more inclined to realism, focused on camouflage and staying alive. MGS 4 returns to the styles of the prievous games like Sons of Liberty but incorporates some ideas from 3. 

 

Though to get an ideal picture of what the basic premise of the entire saga is really about and still enjoy the game for what they are; I would say you should start with Snake Eater. It's not difficult to learn, it still retains some ideas of the arcade stealth but also is deep enough that you can get a kick out of sneaking up someone in the foliage of the expanse of the Russian forests. From there, if you wish to continue, then go ahead and proceed to Peace Walker. Peace Walker loses some of it's more realistic touches that were seen in Snake Eater in favor for a more streamlined gameplay. 

 

Once you have your fill of about one or two games, then I suggest you could either continue along with the story line or find a game that you would enjoy suitably to your styles. Though the two games I have the most hard time with are the original ORIGINAL Metal Gear games. The gameplay for me is over my head to the point that I grew easily frustrated with its more hardlined attitude of the late 80s early 90s no mercy persona.

[Mr.House]

You probably won't even like MGS1,2 and 3 if you didn't care much for the series before GZ.

[Seival]

First and most importantly, since you played Ground Zeroes, expect the other games to not quite exactly fit that formula of that installement. Ground Zeroes plays in many ways like the recent Splinter Cell Game. It's fast, loose, but sticks to the core value of the original so it's not watered down. For any new comer to the series, it's difficult. Each game has it's own unique style of gameplay. Metal Gear Solid 1 & 2 has more of an arcade style to stealth while 3 is more inclined to realism, focused on camouflage and staying alive. MGS 4 returns to the styles of the prievous games like Sons of Liberty but incorporates some ideas from 3. 

 

Though to get an ideal picture of what the basic premise of the entire saga is really about and still enjoy the game for what they are; I would say you should start with Snake Eater. It's not difficult to learn, it still retains some ideas of the arcade stealth but also is deep enough that you can get a kick out of sneaking up someone in the foliage of the expanse of the Russian forests. From there, if you wish to continue, then go ahead and proceed to Peace Walker. Peace Walker loses some of it's more realistic touches that were seen in Snake Eater in favor for a more streamlined gameplay. 

 

Once you have your fill of about one or two games, then I suggest you could either continue along with the story line or find a game that you would enjoy suitably to your styles. Though the two games I have the most hard time with are the original ORIGINAL Metal Gear games. The gameplay for me is over my head to the point that I grew easily frustrated with its more hardlined attitude of the late 80s early 90s no mercy persona.

 

Well, the gameplay is not what interested me the most when I tried GZ and then tried to find out more about the series. It's the story what I found very interesting, so I want to play the series mostly to experience the full story with all details... Yes, I could just watch all the playthroughs on YouTube, but it's not the same as experiencing the story. I have to play all the canon games. Besides, my goal isn't only about experiencing the story. l decided to buy all canon games in the series to give the developers what they deserve for their good work. Somehow, I have no doubts that I shall like the full story.

[TheChris92]

MGS 4 returns to the styles of the prievous games like Sons of Liberty but incorporates some ideas from 3.

It really doesn't -- Guns of the Patriots incorporates a more action third-person-shootery gameplay and most of the game, where there is actually some gameplay, takes place in open-environments, as opposed to tight corridors, like Snake Eater. It also includes the option for stealth camouflage from Snake Eater -- The gameplay is nowhere near the bird-perspective mechanics of the first 2 games. Snake Eater still plays like MGS 1 & 2, the only difference is that you have the option of playing it from a 3rd-person perspective now. X is still used for crouch, you still need to old R1 & Square to aim and let it go when you want to fire.
 

Though to get an ideal picture of what the basic premise of the entire saga is really about and still enjoy thegame for what they are; I would say you should start with Snake Eater.

That would be a stupid idea -- It's easier to get a hold of the controls if one starts from the ground up given the obvious absence of dogde rolling and other useful mechanics in MGS1 etc. It would be a clusterfuck. Someone else I know who got into MGS did it that way and it worked out fine.

[Seival]

You probably won't even like MGS1,2 and 3 if you didn't care much for the series before GZ.

Keeping in mind what I've seen in the final scene of the very first available GZ mission, and keeping in mind what I've learned later in few articles and videos... Well, I believe the full story is truly deep, philosophical, and at the same time tragic and instructive. Predict many tears and thoughts ahead. If Metal Gear series is really that kind of story, then full play through will become really great experience for me.

[Liamv2]

Well the other games are much lighter in tone than ground zeros/5. What with men made of bees, cyborg ninjas, vampires and a talking robot dog in the spin off. It's nonsense but it's fun nonsense. What I suggest you do is play all the games in the legacy collection and then watch the cutscenes of the other ones on youtube.

[TheChris92]

It's grounded in its own logic which is what matters most -- The argument of its sillyness can be applied to almost any game, like The Witcher having a talking Ghoul, Dragon Age having talking Darkspawn, Mass Effect involving people who can shoot psychic blue beams out of their hands using their mind etc. There are only 2 characters who are actual cyborg ninjas, and they are far from invulnerable, and the Vampire character isn't really a Vampire per-se. It has some glaring issues with the lack of exposition of the occasional supernatural elements for sure though. It doesn't stop the games from being downright intriguing story-wise, and for delivering some thought provoking philosophical discussion. At least it has the occasional balls to make fun of its own antics too, not talking about Rising though.

Good luck to the OP and hopefully you'll enjoy them.

[Liamv2]

Oh yeah they may be insane but at least they are self aware of if it and follows it's own rules. 

[AresKeith]

I do love that they make fun of themselves and acknowledges it