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[mlgumm]

Will she or the Chantry dwarf be returning? I can see the effects of supporting either of them being potentially disastrous.

[ladyoflate]

She's already mentioned in the description of the Artificier specialization, so I'd say it's not out the realm of possibility.

[Wolfen09]

Will she or the Chantry dwarf be returning? I can see the effects of supporting either of them being potentially disastrous.

 

chantry dwarf was killed off in the epilogues in da origins....

[SerCambria358]

She's been confirmed to be a returning character 

[mikeymoonshine]

Yes Dagna was in the Pax Demo

 

"Artificer Dagna" is listed as an agent. We have no idea what role she will play in the game though. 

 

It's interesting now that we know that Artificer is a specialization, that technically makes her a rogue I guess. 

[AresKeith]

Will she or the Chantry dwarf be returning? I can see the effects of supporting either of them being potentially disastrous.

 

Why would supporting Dagna be potentially disastrous?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why would supporting Dagna be potentially disastrous?

Well, because...

 

um, because...

 

...huh.

[ladyoflate]

Well, because...

 

um, because...

 

...huh.

 

Because Chantry. Her developments in the understanding of magic as a force were scary and could lead to the Chantry considering an Exalted March (idk why not an annulment, maybe for the show) against the Ferelden Circle, like Chantry dude and Orzammar.

[dragondreamer]

Brother Burkel is dead if you helped him establish a Chantry in Orzammar.  I doubt there would be an Exalted March at this point, the Chantry has bigger problems right now.  Dagna was last associated with the Circles, and the Circles no longer exist.  The mages are already at war with the templars, if it gets worse somehow, I doubt it will be on Dagna.  Besides, the Chantry is mostly powerless at the moment, which is presumably why Cassandra pulls out the Inquisition to begin with.

[ladyoflate]

Brother Burkel is dead if you helped him establish a Chantry in Orzammar.  I doubt there would be an Exalted March at this point, the Chantry has bigger problems right now.  Dagna was last associated with the Circles, and the Circles no longer exist.  The mages are already at war with the templars, if it gets worse somehow, I doubt it will be on Dagna.  Besides, the Chantry is mostly powerless at the moment, which is presumably why Cassandra pulls out the Inquisition to begin with.

 

Yeah, I was just explaining as to why someone might think it was potentially disastrous. But you are vv correct.

[mlgumm]

I forgot about the epilogues... Well, I guess I'll just mess around with whether or not she goes and the Chantry is introduced to Orzammar, and have different versions in each playthrough. Then I'll have a few different options if it becomes important.

[Shark17676]

Will she or the Chantry dwarf be returning? I can see the effects of supporting either of them being potentially disastrous.

 

That would be Brother Burkel, and considering his sad fate if you help him, I doubt it.

 

Dagna, yes.  It's inaccurate to call her a mage, though...if anything, she's a scholar on magic.

[Former_Fiend]

There was also an epilogue that said Anders returned to the wardens after leaving for two months and one that Justice continued to serve with distinction in Kristoff's body for years.

 

Dagna will almost certainly be returning. Her name has been spotted in some screenshots.

 

Burkel? Who knows. I'd wager it's unlikely but it's not impossible; the epilogues give them an excuse not to bring him back, but don't actively prevent it from happening. I can't imagine why they would, though.

 

In any case I think it's fairly safe to say that whatever the epilogues said, any considered exalted marches against Orzamar never happened.

[mlgumm]

Well, maybe not Brother Burkel exactly, but introducing the Chantry to the dwarves? I think that could have consequences whether he's alive or not.

[Former_Fiend]

I think the Chantry has bigger problems to deal with, like their military strength going rogue.

 

Their only real concern in Orzamar is the lyrium trade. I imagine they'll forgive their followers being persecuted there if it means they can keep a strangle hold on the dust and keep it out of templar and mage hands, which they almost certainly can't.

[Wolfen09]

There was also an epilogue that said Anders returned to the wardens after leaving for two months and one that Justice continued to serve with distinction in Kristoff's body for years.

 

anders also used to be a good character, but we all saw how that turned out....  so anything regarding him in the epilogues has pretty much gone out the window

[Former_Fiend]

anders also used to be a good character, but we all saw how that turned out....  so anything regarding him in the epilogues has pretty much gone out the window

 

That's kind of my point.

 

None of the epilogues should be taken as being written in stone. Bioware can and will ignore them in their entirety if they get in the way of the story that they want to write.

[Wolfen09]

yeah, but until they decide to change that, we have to just assume thats what happened, just in case they never address the event again

[Former_Fiend]

I'm not saying we should completely throw the epilogues out the window. I'm saying when arguing about who will or won't appear, the epilogues aren't compelling evidence against someone's inclusion. 

 

I don't think Burkel will appear in DAI(I had actually forgotten about him before this thread), but I'm not going to say he definitely won't or absolutely can't appear because of an epilogue slide, either.

[Dean_the_Young]

Because Chantry. Her developments in the understanding of magic as a force were scary and could lead to the Chantry considering an Exalted March (idk why not an annulment, maybe for the show) against the Ferelden Circle, like Chantry dude and Orzammar.

Hm? The Epilogue never says the Chantry was concerned with Dagna. Nor does it ever tie her to Chantry action against the Ferelden Circle.

 

It does mention Chantry action against the Dwarves harboring apostates who try to set up their own, unregulated no-oversight Circle in Orzamar. But, considering that this doesn't occur if a mage asks for the mage boon, one would assume it's a result of all those apostates organizing outside of the Circle system.

[MisterJB]

Why would supporting Dagna be potentially disastrous?

 

Internal strife: If a Circle is formed in Orzammar, it will anger the conservative dwarves much like the foundation of a Chantry does which could lead to a conflict within Orzammar society.

 

External threat: Templars coming after the mages, human leaders suddenly developing an animosity towards the dwarves for sheltering Apostates.

[Milan92]

I thought I remember reading that the epilogue stated that people thought that another Exalted March was gonna happen if you let Dagna go to the Circle.

 

Something like that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

From the wiki:

 

If the Warden succeeds in gaining her a place at the Tower, the Epilogue will state that she writes "a comprehensive theory of how lyrium vapors relate to the supply of magic". If the Circle has not been granted independence, "This inspired mages from other parts of Thedas to establish a new Circle of Magi in Orzammar itself, one that had ready access to dwarven lyrium... and lies outside the Chantry's power completely. The willingness of Orzammar to harbor apostates sparked outrage that began whispers that the Divine was contemplating a new Exalted March.

[Milan92]

From the wiki:

 

If the Warden succeeds in gaining her a place at the Tower, the Epilogue will state that she writes "a comprehensive theory of how lyrium vapors relate to the supply of magic". If the Circle has not been granted independence, "This inspired mages from other parts of Thedas to establish a new Circle of Magi in Orzammar itself, one that had ready access to dwarven lyrium... and lies outside the Chantry's power completely. The willingness of Orzammar to harbor apostates sparked outrage that began whispers that the Divine was contemplating a new Exalted March.

 

Right. That was it.

[Gervaise]

Two things here.  First, the Divine that was "considering" an exalted march was the senile Beatrix, who apparently would jump and look suspicious at the slightest mention of mages (see Asunder).   She died shortly after the events of DAO, so any plans, which were probably only in early stages, for an exalted march would likely have been put on hold while the new Divine got settled.   Then the general unrest that built up among mages and the events of Kirkwall meant that the Divine's attention was more likely focussed on there.  It is highly unlikely that she would have tried an exalted march on the dwarfs since they could simply cut off the lyrium supply, which would crippled both Chantry backed mages and the Templars.

 

Second, the Divine has now lost all military power.   For an exalted march to succeed she would probably need not only the full Templar force that could be made available (and still leave the Circles properly manned) but also call on the army of Orlais, in particular the Chevaliers who like nothing better than an opportunity to vaunt their prowess in battle.   So the Templars have now broken with the Chantry and the forces of Orlais are engaged in civil war.     So currently no one need fear an exalted march and if they are wise will use the opportunity to consolidate power away from the Chantry so it never has any sort of political clout again.