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Spoilers for DA2 DLC and very mild spoilers for Mass Effect inc.

 

If you didn't do Arrival in Mass Effect 2, the consequences of the actions are still felt in Mass Effect 3 because the rescue of Kenson was carried out by 103rd marine division. This asks a question that I'm pretty sure has never been answered in any official capacity: Which DLCs will happen whether you completed their campaign or not? Will Bioware honor the choice to not play, or buy these DLCs as much as they would honor the choices that occur within and without these DLCs?

 

For example, I liked Legacy. It presented a clear reason for any of my Hawkes, regardless of motivation, to deal with the threat in the Vimmarks. The ramifications of ending Corypheus' threat are noticeable, and there is some foreshadowing that delving into the Grey Warden prison caused more problems than it started. Without metagaming, however, all that Hawke would know is that there is an immediate threat to his own life and that of his family (if any survive at the point the DLC was completed in the narrative) and s/he has every reason to investigate.

 

What if the DLC was never completed? Does the game assume that Hawke went into dungeon and killed Cory? Or, if at the last possible point, when Hawke was given the option of returning to Kirkwall, was that a seperation of narrative and story to allow the allow the player to sell some of the junk he had picked up before going past the point of no return? If the DLC was bought, do the assassins continue to harass the Hawkes and make attempts on their life, perhaps even gaining the blood necessary to free Corypheus somehow?

 

What if the DLC was never even bought, or even started? Did the Carta threat never materialize? Or did it happen, and Hawke just chose to ignore the threat off-screen? We know without a doubt that the "Blood of the Hawke" was a necessary part of the Carta's plans, so can we assume that the shenanigans that took place in the Grey Warden prison couldn't have happened with anyone else but Hawke actually being there?

 

Mark of the Assassin was a different story. There is plenty of reason for Hawke to refuse Tallis' plea for help to join in on (what s/he believes to be) a jewel heist, no metagaming necessary. The justification for every Hawke to have to follow her on her mission is paper thin. However, there is no way to deny her the help she asks for (I imagine it would seem pretty silly to pay $15 bucks for 5-6 hours worth of DLC that you never even play) so, even though I have the DLC installed, I never really started the quest on many of my Hawkes. 

 

This DLC has me worried however. I know how Bioware loves Tallis, so do they have Tallis attempt to infiltrate Chateau Haine on her own, perhaps dying in the process? Or even worse, succeeding in obtaining the "Heart of the Many," completely invalidating any reason for Hawke's involvement in the first place? Does she just abandon her quest and search for other ways to atone for her failure in Redemption? Even more, does Prosper use the "weapon" given to him by Salit to have a mass execution of Qunari, and does Duke Prosper live to continue just being an awesome character with a kick-ass accent?

 

Worst of all would be to make Hawke's involvement in the DLC canon, whether or not the player actually played the DLC or not. I am not too worried about this, however, because completion of the DLC actually restores the status quo (if you don't count the death of a lot of the Chateau's soldiers and Prosper)  so it is more likely that if there are consequences of the DLC, they will take the form of something not happening rather than something actually changing. I would be very impressed, however, if abstaining from completing this quest actually opens up new content in Inquisition, perhaps in the form of meeting the (awesome) Duke Prosper de Montfort and seeing him lead his own little "Inquisition" against the Qun in Orlais.

 

*Not including Dragon Age: Origins DLC since it's already confirmed that if any of the story dlc wasn't completed by the player, it was completed by an Orlesian Warden (and the fact that the Origins DLC was much less personal and related to the Hero of Ferelden himself as it was to Post-Blight conflicts).

 

What are your thoughts, BSN, on the consequences of completing and not completing the DLCs of Dragon Age 2? Better yet, is anyone aware if any of the questions in my OP have already been answered by Bioware in some fashion?

 

EDIT: I'm sorry if the original topic name was misleading, I've changed it to better reflect the discussion I'd like to create here



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All of them.



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Spoilers for DA2 DLC and very mild spoilers for Mass Effect inc.

 

If you didn't do Arrival in Mass Effect 2, the consequences of the actions are still felt in Mass Effect 3 because the rescue of Kenson was carried out by 103rd marine division. This asks a question that I'm pretty sure has never been answered in any official capacity: Which DLCs will happen whether you completed their campaign or not? Will Bioware honor the choice to not play, or buy these DLCs as much as they would honor the choices that occur within and without these DLCs?

 

For example, I liked Legacy. It presented a clear reason for any of my Hawkes, regardless of motivation, to deal with the threat in the Vimmarks. The ramifications of ending Corypheus' threat are noticeable, and there is some foreshadowing that delving into the Grey Warden prison caused more problems than it started. Without metagaming, however, all that Hawke would know is that there is an immediate threat to his own life and that of his family (if any survive at the point the DLC was completed in the narrative) and s/he has every reason to investigate.

 

What if the DLC was never completed? Does the game assume that Hawke went into dungeon and killed Cory? Or, if at the last possible point, when Hawke was given the option of returning to Kirkwall, was that a seperation of narrative and story to allow the allow the player to sell some of the junk he had picked up before going past the point of no return? If the DLC was bought, do the assassins continue to harass the Hawkes and make attempts on their life, perhaps even gaining the blood necessary to free Corypheus somehow?

 

What if the DLC was never even bought, or even started? Did the Carta threat never materialize? Or did it happen, and Hawke just chose to ignore the threat off-screen? We know without a doubt that the "Blood of the Hawke" was a necessary part of the Carta's plans, so can we assume that the shenanigans that took place in the Grey Warden prison couldn't have happened with anyone else but Hawke actually being there?

 

Mark of the Assassin was a different story. There is plenty of reason for Hawke to refuse Tallis' plea for help to join in on (what s/he believes to be) a jewel heist, no metagaming necessary. The justification for every Hawke to have to follow her on her mission is paper thin. However, there is no way to deny her the help she asks for (I imagine it would seem pretty silly to pay $15 bucks for 5-6 hours worth of DLC that you never even play) so, even though I have the DLC installed, I never really started the quest on many of my Hawkes. 

 

This DLC has me worried however. I know how Bioware loves Tallis, so do they have Tallis attempt to infiltrate Chateau Haine on her own, perhaps dying in the process? Or even worse, succeeding in obtaining the "Heart of the Many," completely invalidating any reason for Hawke's involvement in the first place? Does she just abandon her quest and search for other ways to atone for her failure in Redemption? Even more, does Haine use the "weapon" given to him by Salit to have a mass execution of Qunari, and does Duke Prosper live to continue just being an awesome character with a kick-ass accent?

 

Worst of all would be to make Hawke's involvement in the DLC canon, whether or not the player actually played the DLC or not. I am not too worried about this, however, because completion of the DLC actually restores the status quo (if you don't count the death of a lot of the Chateau's soldiers and Prosper)  so it is more likely that if there are consequences of the DLC, they will take the form of something not happening rather than something actually changing. I would be very impressed, however, if abstaining from completing this quest actually opens up new content in Inquisition, perhaps in the form of meeting the (awesome) Duke Prosper de Montfort and seeing him lead his own little "Inquisition" against the Qun in Orlais.

 

*Not including Dragon Age: Origins DLC since it's already confirmed that if any of the story dlc wasn't completed by the player, it was completed by an Orlesian Warden (and the fact that the Origins DLC was much less personal and related to the Hero of Ferelden himself as it was to Post-Blight conflicts).

 

What are your thoughts, BSN, on the consequences of completing and not completing the DLCs of Dragon Age 2? Better yet, is anyone aware if any of the questions in my OP have already been answered by Bioware in some fashion?

They're probably going to include the DLCs as part of Dragon Age Keep.


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They're probably going to include the DLCs as part of Dragon Age Keep.

OK, but will there be a choice to not do the DLC when creating the save files?



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OK, but will there be a choice to not do the DLC when creating the save files?

Don't think so,since the events in Legacy and Mark of the Assassin are referenced in The World of Thedas and the official website.

Example: "Hawke enters the Vimmark prison in the Vimmark Mountains and attempts to destroy Corypheus. History is vague of when exactly this occurs"


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I did not buy the last two DLC's for DA2 so I don’t really care what they do as long as it's explained in DAI.
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Well, the '' never bought the dlc '' question lost relevance thanks to the keep. The keep could even, in theory, force you to choose how you ended a dlc.


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If your character didn't do the DLC, the events simply took place without you.  Someone else handled corpheus and Tallis either did it on her own or found someone else.

 

Just because you didn't play the events in your play through doesn't mean someone else didn't step up and handle it.

 

Example for Corypheus-- If say hypothetically he is the bad guy in DAI--It would make sense to still reveal who he was, you would know less about him, and might not even know all the important info, but you don't have to play the DLC in order for him to fit or make sense.

 

Just like if the Architect shows up as the bad guy or even teamed up with Corpheus, there is nothing about that which would have required you to read the calling or played Awakenings for him to show up. Now there would be some explaining to do if you killed the architect in Awakenings and he is still alive in DAI, but I doubt that will happen.


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The events in the DA2 DLC's occurred, regardless of whether or not you played them. The Keep will reference their choices, and have defaults should you not have played them (or choose to input no choices).

 

The same applies to everything else--the events in DAO and DA2 also happened, regardless of whether or not you played them.


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Hmm, I refused to support that game by purchasing any of its DLC, but have no problem with Inquisition throwing a bone to those who did. That said, I'd not be in the least surprised if the events of DA2's DLC are not referenced in Inquisition.

EDIT: Ah, looking at Davids post, it appears they will be. The above mentioned arrangement sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
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That said, I'd not be in the least surprised if the events of DA2's DLC are not referenced in Inquisition.
 

 

I'd be surprised If Legacy DIDN'T get mentioned at some point in the future. If not in Inquisition, then some time after that.

 

Spoiler

 

Mark of the Assassin doesn't seem too likely to come up, though, unless Tallis makes a return appearance.


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Just out of interest, do we know whether you have to have bought the DLC in order to make their choices in the Keep? On the one hand, it seems like it could irritate people who bought the DLCs. On the other, it seems like it would be irritating for people who changed console to play DA3 or alternatively got new accounts since the 2009.


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Just out of interest, do we know whether you have to have bought the DLC in order to make their choices in the Keep? On the one hand, it seems like it could irritate people who bought the DLCs. On the other, it seems like it would be irritating for people who changed console to play DA3 or alternatively got new accounts since the 2009.


Oooo, that's a very good question. Does the Keep allow us to import game\DLC data in that way? Assuming it does, will we be able to tweak it?
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It's all free. You don't have to own any of the previous content in order to make those choices in the Keep. I can't imagine why anyone who bought the DLCs should care. (I mean, a few people do, but it's inexplicable to me. The point of having the DLC is to play it, not to be able to tick some boxes in five years' time.)


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I'd really rather the game didn't assume Hawke was in involved in the events of MotA, because I don't really see some of my characters getting involved.  I mean, I missed out of Fenris because I wasn't engaging in random acts of thievery, why should that policy change for Tallis.

 

And it's not like it's difficult to imagine Tallis could handle it herself, or find another patsy


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It's all free. You don't have to own any of the previous content in order to make those choices in the Keep. I can't imagine why anyone who bought the DLCs should care. (I mean, a few people do, but it's inexplicable to me. The point of having the DLC is to play it, not to be able to tick some boxes in five years' time.)

 

Yep i'm happy because the chance of DLC content being referenced is now greater due to everyone getting access to the decisions.


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Can someone tell me if the DLC for DA:II is free. Because i'm buying DA:II on Origin and the only option i have to buy is the Stranded edition. And i want all the DLC.


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It's all free. You don't have to own any of the previous content in order to make those choices in the Keep. I can't imagine why anyone who bought the DLCs should care. (I mean, a few people do, but it's inexplicable to me. The point of having the DLC is to play it, not to be able to tick some boxes in five years' time.)

 

Indeed.  The Keep covers two whole games a DAI player might or might not have played.  I can't imagine a few DLCs being a big deal.

 

For those who bought them, they got to play through it, and saw all the story and context that went with it.  For those who didn't, it's just come checked boxes (or however the Keep works) which never got experienced


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I definitely agree that it should be free. That doesn't mean it is free, hence why I was asking if the matter has been addressed in some manner.

 

Gaider's post above (the Keep will reference their choices, and have defaults should you not have played them (or choose to input no choices)) seems to imply that you have to have played the DLCs, but it's definitely ambiguous so I don't think it's necessarily saying that.


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Can someone tell me if the DLC for DA:II is free. Because i'm buying DA:II on Origin and the only option i have to buy is the Stranded edition. And i want all the DLC.

 

They are not. I paid more for the DLC than the game.

 

Until I tripped over my xbox 3 days in a row and scratched 3 different versions of the game, so now the money's in favor of the game.


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It will be interesting to learn how things happened in those DLC's without Hawke showing up. I managed to miss the foreshadowing in Corypheus' battle so it was rather an interesting read on the discussions about it after. Then the timeline where it says "attempted" was even more interesting


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It will be interesting to learn how things happened in those DLC's without Hawke showing up. I managed to miss the foreshadowing in Corypheus' battle so it was rather an interesting read on the discussions about it after. Then the timeline where it says "attempted" was even more interesting

 

It probably still happened, just Cassandra forgot to ask Varric about it.


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I doubt not buying the DLC will be recognized. In DA2 even if you never played Awakening or if you fed Anders to the Templars or he died in the end everything was still the same in your DA2 import. (A lot of things were like that in ME3: Rachni, Councilor choice, Arrival DLC events, etc...)He still somehow became a warden, met Justice, and lived through the battle of Vigil's keep. They're going to do what they want regardless.


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I doubt not buying the DLC will be recognized. 

 

It's not a matter of doubt. As you can see upthread, the events of the DLCs happened whether you bought played them or not, full stop.

 

I don't think DG was trying to be ambiguous there. How many people buy DLCs without playing them?


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