One of the stranger decisions. There was a story floating around on the old board that Bio couldn't find a way to separate the PC character data from the PC's decisions, but I always found that a bit hard to swallow.
So if only US Wardens result in an Orlesian Warden in DAA, the Keep will be enforcing a world state that's impossible in DAA.
Consequences of (not) completing DA2 DLC
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#52
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 04:40
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Like I said: that means there would have to be three protagonist in DA:I potentially floating about, and Bioware would have to justify what the Orlesian Warden is doing when the Warden isn't doing something. I don't think it'll happen that way.
Well, we only would meet the Orlesian Warden if we went to Amaranthine I would imagine and that doesn't sound likely from what we know of DAI.
In one of the interviews they did specifically say though that if you resurected your warden for DAA then it would be set as the Orlesian.
I just don't think we will see him.
#53
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 05:59
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Whatever could those 3 or 4 questions be? Did Hawke eat something from the cheese tray? Tallis walks away with the list and the Duke is the dead. They don't need to ask a question about that, because that is always how it ends.
Well, for MotA, something like "...did you want to kill the hell out of Tallis?" or "...given the chance, would you set Tallis on fire?" or "...have you ever wondered why you couldn't kill the ever-living **** out of Tallis?".
The required events are given, but questions like these would set the tone of encounters, or some minor details.
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#54
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 06:09
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Keep talking like that and she's gonna come back in DAI.
#55
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 06:30
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Well, we only would meet the Orlesian Warden if we went to Amaranthine I would imagine and that doesn't sound likely from what we know of DAI.
In one of the interviews they did specifically say though that if you resurected your warden for DAA then it would be set as the Orlesian.
I just don't think we will see him.
It's more complicated than that. Suddenly, is the DA:A Warden the one going through Awakening and Witch Hunt? Does the Architect know one Warden but not the other?
#56
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 06:51
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This is why they are using the cloud. Even in DAO the dlc like golems and witch hunt were very problematic as to when they happened and if they could import to da 2. Da 2 is straight forward it is DAO warden that goes every where. Even the dev stated the fact is he just had so many end choices it is difficult. I expect his cameo will be similar to Alastair in DA 2. One conversation and a handful
Of questions.
Of questions.
#57
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 07:10
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It's more complicated than that. Suddenly, is the DA:A Warden the one going through Awakening and Witch Hunt? Does the Architect know one Warden but not the other?
I was thinking that Bio would lock the Orlesian Warden out of the DLCs by fiat. But I see the point, since apparently the policy is that all the DLCs really did happen, whether the player did them or not.
#58
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 07:51
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I was thinking that Bio would lock the Orlesian Warden out of the DLCs by fiat. But I see the point, since apparently the policy is that all the DLCs really did happen, whether the player did them or not.
It's just a question of which character did them if you've got two living Wardens, and I think that just creates a headache. It's one or the other - much simpler.
#59
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 09:05
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The keep is going to be a hell of a quiz, covering all the choices of two games+dlc
#60
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 09:28
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The keep is going to be a hell of a quiz, covering all the choices of two games+dlc
No kidding. Considering just the questions you'd have to answer gives an idea of the complexity - and Bioware has to make a game that supports those choices (or some portion). I hope people keep this in mind when setting their expectations for preserving their in-game choices.
I think the Timeline as presented by Bioware on DragonAge's home page is informative regarding potential major arcs of Inquisition's story...both in what it says and what it does not say.
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#61
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 09:32
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Keep talking like that and she's gonna come back in DAI.
I'm not so worried about if (how) Tallis will enter into the DA:I story line, but I have a keen interest in defining the nature of her exit.
#62
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 09:45
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The events in the DA2 DLC's occurred, regardless of whether or not you played them.
That's unfortunate.
Now, if they occured without Hawke's involvement, that would be fine, but I'd hate to see you force Hawke to have completed quests the player consciously chose to avoid. You don't force us to have completed side-quests (I hope). And that's all DLC really are - side-quests. Legacy, in particular, is a side-quest. Why can't Hawke simply not pursue that lead?
#63
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 09:47
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Because then Corypheus can't return in later games, I suppose.That's unfortunate.
Now, if they occured without Hawke's involvement, that would be fine, but I'd hate to see you force Hawke to have completed quests the player consciously chose to avoid. You don't force us to have completed side-quests (I hope). And that's all DLC really are - side-quests. Legacy, in particular, is a side-quest. Why can't Hawke simply not pursue that lead?
#64
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 09:50
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Legacy, in particular, is a side-quest. Why can't Hawke simply not pursue that lead?
Well, if Corypheus is indeed important in some way to the story of Inquisition or future games, then Hawke must take part in Legacy because ONLY his/her blood can free Corypheus.
That's also true of MotA to a lesser extent. If Prosper's death figures into the destabilization of power in Orlais, then someone had to kill him. Likewise, if Tallis' list of qunari sleepers has some narrative importance, then it had to fall into her hands somehow.
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#65
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 10:07
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Damn. I was hoping I could skip Awakening. Neither of my living Wardens would leave Denerim eagerly to rebuild the order. 
#66
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 10:29
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Well, if Corypheus is indeed important in some way to the story of Inquisition or future games, then Hawke must take part in Legacy because ONLY his/her blood can free Corypheus.
I don't remember that. Only Hawke? Why not Bethany or Carver?
That's also true of MotA to a lesser extent. If Prosper's death figures into the destabilization of power in Orlais, then someone had to kill him. Likewise, if Tallis' list of qunari sleepers has some narrative importance, then it had to fall into her hands somehow.
But anyone could have done that.
#67
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 10:34
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I don't remember that. Only Hawke? Why not Bethany or Carver?
They could both be dead, no?
#68
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 10:35
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They could both be dead, no?
By the time you do it, yes. But if you didn't do it at all, they could have done it at any time.
Legacy can be completed in Act I.
#69
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 10:36
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Gamlen and Charade?
edit: No, they're not Malco'm Hawke's blood. Idiot
#70
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 10:38
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I guess this all depends on whether you still see Hawke and The Warden as being "your" characters when you play Inquisition. If you do, I can well understand your complaints with this.
However you can't be more than one person and while playing the inquisitor I will be trying to envisage both of them as NPCs. So I have absolutely no problem with the Inquisition Hawke doing something something "my" Hawke didn't do.
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Posté 06 mai 2014 - 10:41
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Gamlen and Charade?
edit: No, they're not Malco'm Hawke's blood. Idiot
They could have just had the seal naturally shatter because of the Fade rift.
#72
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 10:50
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By the time you do it, yes. But if you didn't do it at all, they could have done it at any time.
Legacy can be completed in Act I.
Without telling Hawke? It's a stretch.
#73
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 10:51
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Without telling Hawke? It's a stretch.
So is that Hawke did it when it was it of character for him.
And why do you think they didn't tell Hawke? We just didn't see that conversation, but presumably Hawke speaks to his sibling during the various time skips.
#74
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 11:03
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Bioware smashing headcanons already? 
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#75
Posté 06 mai 2014 - 11:05
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Right..... we can play the "Varric didn't mention it" card here.So is that Hawke did it when it was it of character for him.
And why do you think they didn't tell Hawke? We just didn't see that conversation, but presumably Hawke speaks to his sibling during the various time skips.
But I just can't see Bethany going through with the mission on her own. Carver, maybe. Obviously this is a problem for me rather than you, given our stances on NPCs' predictability.
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