I don't remember that. Only Hawke? Why not Bethany or Carver?
The main plot is preceeded by an (unseen) attack on all the Hawke siblings. Why would Bethany or Carver go to the Vinmark Mountains alone to investigate a Carta attack when the matter concerns the entire family?
For that matter, would they even be capable of reaching Corypheus? I sincerely doubt it.
The events in the DA2 DLC's occurred, regardless of whether or not you played them. The Keep will reference their choices, and have defaults should you not have played them (or choose to input no choices).
Well, that sort of...sucks. Particularly for people who made conscious choices not to do various DLCs (eg. "I promised not to follow Morrigan, and I'll keep that promise.")
But what can you do, I guess. :/
Carver does other things when he's off with the Grey Wardens. And Hawke has the option to go without his siblings. Why can't Bethany?The main plot is preceeded by an (unseen) attack on all the Hawke siblings. Why would Bethany or Carver go to the Vinmark Mountains alone to investigate a Carta attack when the matter concerns the entire family?
For that matter, would they even be capable of reaching Corypheus? I sincerely doubt it.
Actually on youtube there is a video with a duration around 30 min where a dev is asked with questions about Dragon age Keeper
and he says that you will have a lot of options to choose when you create your own save using the keeper including the options about the decisions taked during the dlc's....
So... if you want to know you should check the video...
In regards to the DA2 DLC, if you didn't play it, but it's considered having been dealt with, you can think of it as something Hawke did but Varric never disclosed.
It would be kinda funny for Varric to talk about whatever the default winds up being for did-not-DLC Hawkes and have Cassandra being all, "What? You never told me that!" and him just shrugging and saying, "You didn't ask."
Again, both are potentially dead or severely limited in their activities at the end of Act 1, and it would be utterly nonsensical to run off on their own during Act 1.
But it's not nonsensical for Hawke to do it? Why the double standard?
Because Hawke is the hyper-competent sibling/default protector of the family and Bethany/Carver are not. It doesn't make sense in-character for either of them to try and complete Legacy on their own, and neither of them are capable of doing it.
Tell me, which of your Hawkes would NOT participate in the Legacy DLC? Keep in mind, it is preceeded by the Carta attempting to kidnap the Hawke siblings, so it basically requires Hawke to ignore a group of criminals who are trying to harm himself and his family, who knows where he lives and who will go to any lengths to achieve their goals. (The Carta breaks into a Grey Warden Keep, for God's sake.)
Carver does other things when he's off with the Grey Wardens. And Hawke has the option to go without his siblings. Why can't Bethany?
You're making far too many unnecessary assumptions.
It would be very out of character for Bethany (even a Grey Warden Bethany, honestly), though perfectly in-character for Carver. Still, I don't see why Bioware can't just have the seal fail naturally with Corypheus wearing Larius or Janeka as a meatsuit since they're basically there anyway.
It would be very out of character for Bethany (even a Grey Warden Bethany, honestly), though perfectly in-character for Carver. Still, I don't see why Bioware can't just have the seal fail naturally with Corypheus wearing Larius or Janeka as a meatsuit since they're basically there anyway.
There's an option.
There simply isn't any need to force Hawke to participate in that.
The seals do fail periodically, but the magic was reinforced by Malcolm only twenty years ago. It should last decades. It would be rather silly for the Carta to go to such extreme ends, like trying to kidnap Bethany out of the middle of Kirkwall's Circle, if they could find another way to free their master.
And Corypheus only needs to possess Larius/Janeka (maybe) because Hawke destroys his physical body. The implications of him being unleashed on Thedas with his full power are terrible.
There's an option.
There simply isn't any need to force Hawke to participate in that.
I agree with you that I prefer our PC not to be railroaded into these events, but I think Bioware made it clear that they will do that ever since DA:A came out.
The seals do fail periodically, but the magic was reinforced by Malcolm only twenty years ago. It should last decades. It would be rather silly for the Carta to go to such extreme ends, like trying to kidnap Bethany out of the middle of Kirkwall's Circle, if they could find another way to free their master.
And Corypheus only needs to possess Larius/Janeka (maybe) because Hawke destroys his physical body. The implications of him being unleashed on Thedas with his full power are terrible.
They could just handwave it away as the Fourth Blight greatly weakened the seals, and that normally the GWs would immediately reinforce them after a blight but this time around it was impossible because reasons or something. They could go further and say that Corypheus had to shatter his body to escape.
Beyond that, I don't think Corypheus not having his own body affects his power: (a) because Hawke and co. killed him, so it can't be that impressive and (
like the archdemon, getting a new meatsuit doesn't mean you're just stuck in that meatsuit when it comes to the taint.
I agree with you that I prefer our PC not to be railroaded into these events, but I think Bioware made it clear that they will do that ever since DA:A came out.
DA:A doesn't even force you to play as the Warden. How is that railroading?
DA:A doesn't even force you to play as the Warden. How is that railroading?
If you want to preserve your world-state, it has to be the Warden who participates.
If you want to preserve your world-state, it has to be the Warden who participates.
I expect them to remedy that in the Keep. The Keep will almost certainly allow a world-state that includes DA:A decisions and an Ultimate Sacrifice Warden.
I expect them to remedy that in the Keep. The Keep will almost certainly allow a world-state that includes DA:A decisions and an Ultimate Sacrifice Warden.
I would really love it if that were the case; my Wardens wanted to save Ferelden but certainly didn't see themselves as "Wardens" for the most part (my CE is an exception). I just think that this would create too many plot threads to be worthwhile, having three protagonists to track.
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Hawke did legacy whether or not you played or even bought DA2, hawke became champion of kirkwall again whether or not you even played or bought da2
I hate using this word but here goes, it is all "canon" whether you participated or not the events happened the only difference is the choices that where made in the run up
The hawke family flee'd lothering
they did gotto kirkwall
hawk was made champion
anders did blow the chantry up
etc etc etc
Everything is canon an is part of the Thedas timeline, as i said the only difference is the choices, nothing else, what remains to be seen is the impact of those choices an the manner of recognition or lack of
The hand waves aren't necessary, though. As long as the game doesn't make explicit claims about Hawke's involvement, there's no problem.The problem is that, should Corypheus appear or his death be important in some other fashion, you have to stack up a list of hand waves that don't mesh with the story as presented. (Corypheus' prison held throughout the other Blights, so I can't see the brief Fifth Blight making any difference.) Eventually, you're bending so far over backwards to justify Hawke's lack of participation that you can give yourself a prostate exam.
If you simply accept that Hawke participated in Legacy with or without the player's involvement, then no hand waves are needed beyond "Varric never told Cassandra about that part." Simple.
The narrative unfolds regardless of whether you choose to take part, Sylvius. The Warden always beats the Archdemon, the Mother is always slain, Anders always blows up the Kirkwall Chantry, and Corypheus is always freed.
I know you don't like it and will spend the next five months waiing "BUT WHY?" I get it. However, that's the way it is.
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The hand waves aren't necessary, though. As long as the game doesn't make explicit claims about Hawke's involvement, there's no problem.
We don't need to understand how something happened for it to have happened.
There is plenty of reason to explain why something happened and only your dis taste to explain why it never, DA:I more than any recent Bioware game is probably going to bring in a hell of alot of new players to the series never mind to the company, for them and them alone there will need to be explanations on why/whats/hows, not to mention the why's/how's and what's for the fans of the gaming series who dont purchase the comics/books/dlc etc for one reason or another.
If you dont like it fine you dont like it, but im sure there will be plenty more ppl who will like it and appreciate it at the same time
Why would a new player care about how Cory' got out without Hawke? They wouldn't even know who Hawke is, really. "He's a centuries old Darkspawn the Warden's captured and now he's loose" is all they need to know.
You'll save yourself some nerves if you ignore them.
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