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[TheMadHarridan]

I'm playing Awakening and trying to decide whether or not to side with or to kill the Architect. Is it better to let him live or kill him? Why? What are the implications of both choices?

[Xetykins]

Kill. Altho.. for some reason I kinda liked the messenger. I dont know why.

[Inprea]

I let him live. So far it's been working out. If you let him live the deep roads become a quieter place at least for the time being. Some speculate that the darkspawn will become an even more serious threat however no matter what you do intelligent darkspawn survive and more can be freed. To my knowledge they are currently more positive benefits to letting him live then negative.

[Ciaran Cousland]

Kill, kill, and kill again. I can't wrap my head around the idea of teaming up with darkspawn as a Grey Warden. It's an interesting concept, and I've been tempted just to see the results, but I can't bring myself to do it. I picture the events of DA:O and wet my blade.

[Secretlyapotato]

I can't kill off dat voice.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

My canon let him live. She'd already spared the Messenger, and the whole 'It's a darkspawn! Kill it!' mentality stops working for her when some of them cease to be a mindless threat (and might even be redeemable).

 

The whole encounter made her think worse of the Grey Wardens, too. They know things they're not sharing. What else do they know? How far can I really trust this crusade of theirs?

[Mike3207]

Kill. He's a darkspawn-and the last thing we need is intelligent darkspawn.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 It's truly a tough call, because "awakened" Darkspawn have proven dangerous in their own right, so it's hard to know whether allowing the Architect to continue will [weaken the horde] or [make them worse/more dangerous]. There's good reason to believe either way.

 

 

What ultimately decides it for me, though, are two things: (1) the Darkspawn issue is one that is already outside our ability to control through conventional means -- their numbers are staggering, they breed like rats, and they've been slowly overtaking the Deep Roads over the years without sapience anyway -- so the fear of them becoming more dangerous rings a bit hollow (they are already "too" dangerous); (2) perhaps more importantly, this avenue of research and study should remain open. As they say, "Knowing is half the battle," and so much about the Taint is a mystery. Any further knowledge of it is invaluable and worth preserving, not only as it relates to the immediate issue of the Darkspawn, but also as another piece of the puzzle related to the original Tevinter magisters that brought it here (which I'm awfully curious to learn more about). So I let him continue. I similarly let Avernus continue his work, but within more ethical boundaries than previous.

 

Another thing: I'm not so sure that learning about his failures with The Mother and Urthemiel are not just more reason to support him. It's my belief that an experience you've learned something from is not truly "failure," and mistakes are a risk you accept with experiments anyway. In this case, the risks are great because the Taint is very powerful and yet mysterious to us, but I still think it's worth pursuing for the two points I made above. And, the way I see it, I have sort of already been assisting his efforts by stopping the Blight and stopping The Mother.

 

Again, it's a tough one, but I lean "Not To Kill" here.

[KaiserShep]

Kill. Altho.. for some reason I kinda liked the messenger. I dont know why.

 

I always kill the messenger as well, though I have to admit that I felt a little sorry for him. Unfortunately, being a darkspawn, his very existence is a hazard to others, since by their will or not, they can still spread blight sickness. He's like a nuclear leper.

[Xetykins]

I always kill the messenger as well, though I have to admit that I felt a little sorry for him. Unfortunately, being a darkspawn, his very existence is a hazard to others, since by their will or not, they can still spread blight sickness. He's like a nuclear leper.

Not unless he bleeds on them tho. The last time I spared him he was like a lone ranger protecting travellers on the road or I was pretty sure it was him. And I was like .... O.o duncan dear.. is that you?

[Ciaran Cousland]

Even though the messenger and those darkspawn are "nice" or whatever you want to call it, they are darkspawn lol. I know they were striving to co-exist, but you'd be letting darkspawn live and grow. Not to mention the longer it goes on, the more intelligent they get. Then once they decide that they don't like us again, they're too smart and large of an army for us to do anything about it. I don't trust em at all lol, couldn't let them go.

[Dutchess]

Not unless he bleeds on them tho. The last time I spared him he was like a lone ranger protecting travellers on the road or I was pretty sure it was him. And I was like .... O.o duncan dear.. is that you?

 

Doesn't the lone ranger accidentally spread the taint as well? I thought the darkspawn's very presence was enough to taint the land.

[Xetykins]

Doesn't the lone ranger accidentally spread the taint as well? I thought the darkspawn's very presence was enough to taint the land.

Im not sure. I thought you could only be tainted by ds blood on open wounds or on mouth. And the tainted lands are when their blood spills when they bleed on them or die. I dont know. I just let the messenger live once out of curiosity and was amazed that he choosed to help people instead of going back to the deep roads to his own kind.

[sylvanaerie]

Doesn't the lone ranger accidentally spread the taint as well? I thought the darkspawn's very presence was enough to taint the land.

 

Yes, his ending card (I spared him on my Surana) says he goes about the countryside helping people but occasionally spreading blight sickness.  Their very presence taints the land.

 

As for the Architect, I kill him.  I'm a grey warden, I kill darkspawn I don't invite them over for tea.  Their very existence is anathema to all life on Thedas.  They reproduce in parasitic fashion by kidnapping, rape and mutilation of the women of other sentient species.

 

Bad enough we have archdemons but the thought of intelligent darkspawn would be enough to keep my warden up at nights.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

As for the Architect, I kill him.  I'm a grey warden, I kill darkspawn I don't invite them over for tea.  Their very existence is anathema to all life on Thedas.  They reproduce in parasitic fashion by kidnapping, rape and mutilation of the women of other sentient species.

 

 

But that problem isn't solved by denying the Darkspawn intelligence, anyway. If anything, it just solidifies it.

[Akrabra]

At this point, my own Warden is just as diseased as the Darkspawn. I can't even look down on them, as if I'm different. In Witch Hunt, Finn doesn't want to use my blood, because it isn't elven like Ariane's. I'm not even the same species as her anymore. I have more in common with Tamlen and Velanna's sister now. In 10 years time, I'll just be some wretch like Larius or some mindless Shriek. And it's something I wouldn't wish on anyone. Working towards a plan that ultimately prevents this for others is a good thing.

 

And not even being a world recognized hero is worth it. Garahel saved the world too. No one really gives a **** about him.

Well to be fair Garahel died in combat? Since it was single combat. Anyhow he is mentioned as a legend and the hero of Ferelden will to. Plus it will take like 30 years for you to go Larius atleast, considering how strong the Hero of Ferelden is. Just nitpicking without beeing sure if i am right.

 

To be honest i like the Architect when he is honest to me, but ofc there is a catch. Him meaning well in some way caused you to be a Grey Warden, he started the blight hence leading Duncan out to last minute recruit. Up to that factoid i have no problem with him, but after that i always wish i would have killed him. 

[sylvanaerie]

But that problem isn't solved by denying the Darkspawn intelligence, anyway. If anything, it just solidifies it.

 

Nor is it solved by tainting everyone on the planet so the Architect can make intelligent darkspawn either.  That was his plan btw, he isn't out to do this to help humanity.  He's out to free his people from the Old Gods' call.  Just how did you think he was going to go about that when he needs the blood of wardens to do so?  The only way would be to force the Joining on every other living sentient on the planet.  And to make more darkspawn he'd still need more women to transform into broodmothers.  That isn't going to change anytime soon either.

 

And @Streetmagic, how do you know the Architect is even being honest?  There is only one warden alive in his lair when we get there, and his legs were broken so he couldn't escape.  I wouldn't say he did them any favors.

 

The Architect is a sociopath, unable to see other sentients as anything other than tools to be used.  Unless your warden is a sociopath, that is how he differs from the PC.   

 

And so, I kill him because, unlike my warden, he's a danger to everything that lives on the planet.  Although I have left the Messenger alive once on my Surana run as he seems to be the only darkspawn not actively trying to kill me.

[KaiserShep]

The architect is like my Obi-Wan. "You're my only hope".

 

Not exactly "my" hope, but I mean... hope in general. No one wants to tackle the blights like this guy. The Wardens just rely on watchfulness and waging war. He wants to cure the disease and reduce the need for war to begin with. If it's possible, it's better in the long run. Wardens have missed the forest for the trees. They've gotten too used to their role as just fighters. That's all they seem themselves as anymore. The Blight needs a healer. Or a "scientist", if you will. However mad.

 

If anything, the Architect is more along the lines of Sidious. Kenobi didn't create the persona of Darth Vader, or the empire, or orchestrate the near extinction of the Jedi. The Architect's plans to awaken darkspawn may only indirectly benefit people by freeing the darkspawn of the calling, but so far it never even got close to doing the former. His efforts led to the Fifth Blight and the destruction of Vigil's Keep (though the latter is more indirect, the Architect was an idiot to think that darkspawn trying to talk to people would be seen as anything other than an enemy). The Architect is not a healer; he merely attempted to be, and in his failure thousands of people died in the process.

[KaiserShep]

Good intentions without good results don't mean much of anything to me. I don't care if you wanted to install central air in my house if you burned it down in the process.

[darkmanifest]

The Architect is a sociopath, unable to see other sentients as anything other than tools to be used.

 

This is why I always kill the Architect.  He doesn't feel empathy for most people, and he doesn't actually see anything wrong with what the darkspawn are, as demonstrated by how he didn't anticipate that an awakened broodmother might go insane from grief and pain, considering she was a woman from another species kidnapped and violated in order to benefit his own species.  All his efforts go towards benefiting his own natural born people, and benefiting anyone else is just a current side effect.   And when that side effect stops working in the darkspawn's favor? Well.